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If Lester gets rocked tomorrow or bats go silence. .
I wont be happy ?
I wont be happy ?
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I was wondering about Cog at 2B. It would up his player value. He has 15 HR ability and playing 2B that is pretty good value for him.
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Why haven't the Cubs considered giving Castro a look at LF already?
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WTF! Man, I feel like people have no idea about baseball. Baseball is an up and down game. I don't give a **** if Castro hits .230 all year. He isn't going to do that the rest of his career. he is career .280 hitter that will have 1000 hits before 26. People need to stop acting lilke that is failure. Yes, he hasn't become a superstar but most of his career he has been a top 5 SS in the league. Now, lets trade him for a bag of balls. Da fuq? Castro career at 21 crushes Russells but Russel can not be traded and should take Castro position. Da fuq? Russel may turn out to be great but he hasn't proven it. Not a knock on Russel. Its a knock on fans. Stop being psychos. If Castro get traded for the betterment of the team. I am all about. Castro getting traded because of over reactions of fans is ridic.
Castro wil be him again whether its on the Cubs or not but the Cubs latest struggles is not on him. Its on the whole team. I watch Rizzo make a ridiculous dumb play the other day. No one said shit. Why? It wasn't Castro. Yet again, Castro gets traded. Fine. But, it better be for the better of the team. Mind is boggled by some reactions. This is baseball. Its a fucking weird game. Its what makes it great. If you can only remember yesterday, football is starting. Baseball is a game of patience and if you fail 70% of the time you are a hall of famer. Enjoy the ride. The Cubs aren't winning the series.
Castro wil be him again whether its on the Cubs or not but the Cubs latest struggles is not on him. Its on the whole team. I watch Rizzo make a ridiculous dumb play the other day. No one said shit. Why? It wasn't Castro. Yet again, Castro gets traded. Fine. But, it better be for the better of the team. Mind is boggled by some reactions. This is baseball. Its a fucking weird game. Its what makes it great. If you can only remember yesterday, football is starting. Baseball is a game of patience and if you fail 70% of the time you are a hall of famer. Enjoy the ride. The Cubs aren't winning the series.
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So far 28 other GM's, who theoretically know something about baseball, have said no thank you to your top 5 SS....leaving one bottom feeder thinking about parting ways with a bottom of rotation starting pitcher for his services.
Thanks for the lecture, but Me thinks maybe you might be the one lost in the clouds.
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Agreed. Beeler sucks but so did Donnie Roach, Clayton Richard and every other guy they've tried in the 5th spot. If Wada is the answer I don't understand the question. Have some of these guys been better than Beeler? Yes, but by how much. This is a hole on this team and the lack of hitting isn't helping, but also not unexpected. Heard this on the radio yesterday; since 1901 only 4 teams with 4 rookies with over 300 PA have finished with 86 wins or more. The Cubs will likely have those 4, but the numbers are only slightly better with 3. Here's the kicker, none of those teams have played in the postseason. None. The odds have always been stacked against this team but the farther they go the more learning happens. None of that has much to do with the level of bum they start every fifth day without getting a professional pitcher in that slot.
As far as Castro goes, the guy is having an awful year but SilenceS could not be more correct, you don't trade him for a bag of balls. I think this FO would like to trade him in the right deal and maybe that's going down today, but you realize that's for the development of Russell right? He's not an immediate upgrade over Castro but an eventual one. It probably also means Baez plays second. That's 5 rookies. Out of a starting 8 that's 5. Rookies do what rookies do.
I never emotionally invested in this team because of the rookies and some of the holes, or rather I didn't invest in the 2015 team. I'm strongly invested on what they do going forward. They won't be rookies next year and moves will be made to fill holes and minimize weaknesses. Those moves might start before Friday, they might not. You don't have to agree with every move this FO makes but they've put themselves into the start of a contention window next year. 2015 has always been about development.
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Someone needs a tissue.
Talk about clouding one's view with emotional ties to a player!
The basic, and obvious, flaw in your argument, is that you are basing your stance 100% based on offensive performance while discussing the most important defensive position on a baseball team ( excluding pitcher, of course).
To say Castro st 21,easily trumps Russell at 21 simply underlines the fact that you simply do not understand the SS position, and the impact it has on a team's D. Russell is vastly superior on that side of the ball, and that is by far the most important aspect of the position.
Ozzie Smith was a slam dunk hall of famer with a career total of less than 2000 hits. Castro will easily eclipse his total. Comparable value? Hardly. And, no, I am not criticizing Castro for not being Ozzie.
Andrelton Simmons will not lead the league in hits as Castro did. But you won't pry him away from Atlanta with a gun.
You need strong D at SS. We have been at a disadvantage defensively at SS for decades. We now have a guy ( or two) who can change that, AND are expected to add offense. And you are quite seriously - and quite emotionally- arguing to keep a SS whose ONLY asset was his bat. Once. Before he went on a steady and pronounced decline.
Can he bounce back offensively? Yes. Is it a sure thing? No. IF he bounces back, and miraculously adds 70 points to his batting aversge, is he a positive? No. He still would not be. He was negative WAR when batting way higher than he is today. I don't believe he is a .230 hitter. I certainly expect he will improve that. But it would not make him valuable. He currently can't hit anything but ground balls, is a DP machine (offensively only) and on top of all that, is completely lost mentally on a baseball field.
He runs the bases lkke a kid in training league. No knowledge of the right way. No awareness on the field.
Is Russell a sure hall of famer? No. Does he clearly have defensive skills, range, awareness, quickness? Yes. IF Russell never improves on a ,230 BA, the Cubs would look for upgrades eventually. But nobody expects he will. But if he does, they will change again. But he would still have considerably more value than a below aversge Defensive SS.
That is how baseball works. I am sincerely sorry to see ghat you do not understand that, and won't any time soon. You are inexplicably emotionally invested in a specific person.
Talk about clouding one's view with emotional ties to a player!
The basic, and obvious, flaw in your argument, is that you are basing your stance 100% based on offensive performance while discussing the most important defensive position on a baseball team ( excluding pitcher, of course).
To say Castro st 21,easily trumps Russell at 21 simply underlines the fact that you simply do not understand the SS position, and the impact it has on a team's D. Russell is vastly superior on that side of the ball, and that is by far the most important aspect of the position.
Ozzie Smith was a slam dunk hall of famer with a career total of less than 2000 hits. Castro will easily eclipse his total. Comparable value? Hardly. And, no, I am not criticizing Castro for not being Ozzie.
Andrelton Simmons will not lead the league in hits as Castro did. But you won't pry him away from Atlanta with a gun.
You need strong D at SS. We have been at a disadvantage defensively at SS for decades. We now have a guy ( or two) who can change that, AND are expected to add offense. And you are quite seriously - and quite emotionally- arguing to keep a SS whose ONLY asset was his bat. Once. Before he went on a steady and pronounced decline.
Can he bounce back offensively? Yes. Is it a sure thing? No. IF he bounces back, and miraculously adds 70 points to his batting aversge, is he a positive? No. He still would not be. He was negative WAR when batting way higher than he is today. I don't believe he is a .230 hitter. I certainly expect he will improve that. But it would not make him valuable. He currently can't hit anything but ground balls, is a DP machine (offensively only) and on top of all that, is completely lost mentally on a baseball field.
He runs the bases lkke a kid in training league. No knowledge of the right way. No awareness on the field.
Is Russell a sure hall of famer? No. Does he clearly have defensive skills, range, awareness, quickness? Yes. IF Russell never improves on a ,230 BA, the Cubs would look for upgrades eventually. But nobody expects he will. But if he does, they will change again. But he would still have considerably more value than a below aversge Defensive SS.
That is how baseball works. I am sincerely sorry to see ghat you do not understand that, and won't any time soon. You are inexplicably emotionally invested in a specific person.
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LOL Silence, do you remember what website you're on?
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You have completely misunderstood my point. I'm not a Castro fan and have never been a strong defender of him being on this team. On another site people criticize me as a Castro basher. Go figure. My point is value and you don't trade a guy at a low value for a small upgrade in season. If he's part of a large package to San Diego today, and indications are that he might be, I'm fine with that. Yes, Russell is the better defender but he's a rookie not the second coming. I want him to play SS for this team and I don't want Castro moved to another position because it lowers his value. In the offseason his value will increase because of body of work, not just 2015. That's simply fact. Maybe the Padres see something in him now and will make this deal. That would be fine with me. I'm the one that posted about the Castro, McKinney, Edwards and Johnson trade for Tyson Ross and Craig Kimbrel a page or two back and everyone thought that was a bad deal. I'd do that in a heartbeat. I have very little emotional attachment to any of these players, Schwarber may be an exception, they are assets to be maximized on the field or in moves to make the team better. Period.
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TC, that was not in response to you.
I was talking to Silence S.
I agree with anyone that says don't trade for a bag of balls. It is unfortunate to say the least that his value has fallen so badly. It hurts the rebuild, as he was viewed as a tradeable asset.
But playing the wrong SS won't help. And I think it sends a better messsge - that we are here to win games - to not allow nonchalant unfocused play to continue, simply due to " tenure",
I was talking to Silence S.
I agree with anyone that says don't trade for a bag of balls. It is unfortunate to say the least that his value has fallen so badly. It hurts the rebuild, as he was viewed as a tradeable asset.
But playing the wrong SS won't help. And I think it sends a better messsge - that we are here to win games - to not allow nonchalant unfocused play to continue, simply due to " tenure",
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I think you need to step back here some. If there is a way to get more production out of the MI you do it 100% of the time. If that means promoting Baez and making it a rotation of the 3 you do it. It is bad enough that the rookies are going through ups and downs but having guys that they depend on going through season long slumps makes it far worse.
All I have said it bring up Baez and insert him into the line up any way they can. Then let performance dictate things. If Baez just blows up the league then it will created wanted problems. Just like Schwarber has been doing. They will make the necessary choices to move forward.
Now on getting quality trade value for Castro. The Cubs are not going to get a stud prospect out of him. He is too flawed of a player to pull a teams top pitching prospect. The Ross return would have been ideal. That is about where he is right now. If he picks it up in the 2nd half then this could be looked into in the off season.
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We read different sources. I've only heard Wash with Pab and not once the Cubs.
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Cubs are linked to most players. It is mostly them kicking the tires on players. I believe that the S.D. one was the closest to happening. Not sure what happened though.
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I saw this morning that Eloy Jimenez was pulled from game last night in 5th inning ( non injury )..
Of course the speculation begins. ....
Of course the speculation begins. ....
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To me it's not the Cubs linked, it's media knowing that the Cub fan base is large and diverse throughout the country thus it gets written about because it sells.
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That's part of it I'm sure but I'm also sure that in part it's just due dilligence on the part of the Cubs. From everything I read they were interested in Papelbon and would have taken on more of his salary than Washington did but also wanted a larger deal including Hamels. I think they've been trying to maximize value and the one on one trades haven't done that. Just speculation though.
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I'm of the belief that there is a trade imminent. The early pull of Castro last night, some Twitter buzz about him being emotional in the clubhouse not to mention the early pull of Eloy Jiminez in Eugene do suggest there might be something there. There is also the fact that rumors out of San Diego have ground to a halt. It could be nothing but Jimenez could make sense especially if the rumors are right that the Cubs are not willing to part with Gleyber Torres just yet.