2015 cubs in season trades

[Parade_Rain]

Someone needs a tissue.

Talk about clouding one's view with emotional ties to a player!

The basic, and obvious, flaw in your argument, is that you are basing your stance 100% based on offensive performance while discussing the most important defensive position on a baseball team ( excluding pitcher, of course).

To say Castro st 21,easily trumps Russell at 21 simply underlines the fact that you simply do not understand the SS position, and the impact it has on a team's D. Russell is vastly superior on that side of the ball, and that is by far the most important aspect of the position.

Ozzie Smith was a slam dunk hall of famer with a career total of less than 2000 hits. Castro will easily eclipse his total. Comparable value? Hardly. And, no, I am not criticizing Castro for not being Ozzie.

Andrelton Simmons will not lead the league in hits as Castro did. But you won't pry him away from Atlanta with a gun.

You need strong D at SS. We have been at a disadvantage defensively at SS for decades. We now have a guy ( or two) who can change that, AND are expected to add offense. And you are quite seriously - and quite emotionally- arguing to keep a SS whose ONLY asset was his bat. Once. Before he went on a steady and pronounced decline.

Can he bounce back offensively? Yes. Is it a sure thing? No. IF he bounces back, and miraculously adds 70 points to his batting aversge, is he a positive? No. He still would not be. He was negative WAR when batting way higher than he is today. I don't believe he is a .230 hitter. I certainly expect he will improve that. But it would not make him valuable. He currently can't hit anything but ground balls, is a DP machine (offensively only) and on top of all that, is completely lost mentally on a baseball field.

He runs the bases lkke a kid in training league. No knowledge of the right way. No awareness on the field.

Is Russell a sure hall of famer? No. Does he clearly have defensive skills, range, awareness, quickness? Yes. IF Russell never improves on a ,230 BA, the Cubs would look for upgrades eventually. But nobody expects he will. But if he does, they will change again. But he would still have considerably more value than a below aversge Defensive SS.

That is how baseball works. I am sincerely sorry to see ghat you do not understand that, and won't any time soon. You are inexplicably emotionally invested in a specific person.

You need strong D at SS? LOL. Jeter was a SS. The team needs to hit. Castro needs to hit.

 

[SilenceS]

You need strong D at SS? LOL. Jeter was a SS. The team needs to hit. Castro needs to hit.

Yes, just like a certain person said he has negative WAR for his career. LULZ.

 

[SilenceS]

So far 28 other GM's, who theoretically know something about baseball, have said no thank you to your top 5 SS....leaving one bottom feeder thinking about parting ways with a bottom of rotation starting pitcher for his services.
Thanks for the lecture, but Me thinks maybe you might be the one lost in the clouds.

Tyson Ross is a bottom of the rotation pitcher? LULZ. Me thinks you have no clue about other players.

 

[SilenceS]

Someone needs a tissue.

Talk about clouding one's view with emotional ties to a player!

The basic, and obvious, flaw in your argument, is that you are basing your stance 100% based on offensive performance while discussing the most important defensive position on a baseball team ( excluding pitcher, of course).

To say Castro st 21,easily trumps Russell at 21 simply underlines the fact that you simply do not understand the SS position, and the impact it has on a team's D. Russell is vastly superior on that side of the ball, and that is by far the most important aspect of the position.

Ozzie Smith was a slam dunk hall of famer with a career total of less than 2000 hits. Castro will easily eclipse his total. Comparable value? Hardly. And, no, I am not criticizing Castro for not being Ozzie.

Andrelton Simmons will not lead the league in hits as Castro did. But you won't pry him away from Atlanta with a gun.

You need strong D at SS. We have been at a disadvantage defensively at SS for decades. We now have a guy ( or two) who can change that, AND are expected to add offense. And you are quite seriously - and quite emotionally- arguing to keep a SS whose ONLY asset was his bat. Once. Before he went on a steady and pronounced decline.

Can he bounce back offensively? Yes. Is it a sure thing? No. IF he bounces back, and miraculously adds 70 points to his batting aversge, is he a positive? No. He still would not be. He was negative WAR when batting way higher than he is today. I don't believe he is a .230 hitter. I certainly expect he will improve that. But it would not make him valuable. He currently can't hit anything but ground balls, is a DP machine (offensively only) and on top of all that, is completely lost mentally on a baseball field.

He runs the bases lkke a kid in training league. No knowledge of the right way. No awareness on the field.

Is Russell a sure hall of famer? No. Does he clearly have defensive skills, range, awareness, quickness? Yes. IF Russell never improves on a ,230 BA, the Cubs would look for upgrades eventually. But nobody expects he will. But if he does, they will change again. But he would still have considerably more value than a below aversge Defensive SS.

That is how baseball works. I am sincerely sorry to see ghat you do not understand that, and won't any time soon. You are inexplicably emotionally invested in a specific person.

He was negative fWAR one time in his career before this year. Every other year

1.8
2.8
3.1
-.1
2.7
-.8

 

[willycat]

Castro also has screwed up two potential DP's the last two games.

 

[willycat]

Need to put Beeler on the first bus to Iowa and have him take Soriano with him. Either make a trade for a SP and a RP or bring up one of the kids, maybe Edwards.

 

[willycat]

How long have you been watching baseball pirate? LF is almost always a spot for a very good hitter with power. Castro has neither.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Mike Morse and Mat Latos to LA for prospects and a competitive balance pick apparently.

 

[willycat]

Or they could carry one less pitcher and strengthen the bench.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

San Diego said to be about to pull the trigger on a "huge move".

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

San Diego said to be about to pull the trigger on a "huge move".

Kemp to the Cubs!

 

[SilenceS]

Cue more rumors. Schwabrer in left today. Soler and Castro are sitting today.

 

[chibears55]

San Diego said to be about to pull the trigger on a "huge move".

Interesting. .. jiminez pulled after 5 last night..
Castro pulled last night..
Castro and Soler not in lineup today..

I was thinking this morning. . Cubs will either pull off a huge trade or do nothing. ..

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[TC in Mississippi]

Cue more rumors. Schwabrer in left today. Soler and Castro are sitting today.

I'll venture a crazy guess and see if I'm close; Castro, Soler, Jimenez, Edwards and a throw in for Ross, Kimbrel and 2 months of Justin Upton.

 

[PickSix]

Tyson Ross is a bottom of the rotation pitcher? LULZ. Me thinks you have no clue about other players.

6-8 this year. 28-48 lifetime at the age of 28. His 1.39 whip is 40th in NL. Sure, call me not impressed. That would be 5th place on our starting staff with Arietta at 1.00, Hammel 1.02, Hendricks 1.17, and Lester 1.20.
Are you telling me that you think he is a TOR?

 

[SilenceS]

6-8 this year. 28-48 lifetime at the age of 28. His 1.39 whip is 40th in NL. Sure, call me not impressed. That would be 5th place on our starting staff with Arietta at 1.00, Hammel 1.02, Hendricks 1.17, and Lester 1.20.
Are you telling me that you think he is a TOR?

You just produced wins/losses for a pitcher. This convo is over.

 

[SilenceS]

I'll venture a crazy guess and see if I'm close; Castro, Soler, Jimenez, Edwards and a throw in for Ross, Kimbrel and 2 months of Justin Upton.

Man, I don't know. Theo trading Soler would be hard for him. He was the first big signing for the future. Maybe Im wrong. I just think it would be hard for them to give him up.

 

[SilenceS]

I know the Nationals traded to have a two headed monster but I would love Drew Storen and he seems pissed off.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

6-8 this year. 28-48 lifetime at the age of 28. His 1.39 whip is 40th in NL. Sure, call me not impressed. That would be 5th place on our starting staff with Arietta at 1.00, Hammel 1.02, Hendricks 1.17, and Lester 1.20.
Are you telling me that you think he is a TOR?

If his control could improve, and Bosio specializes in that, he'd be at least a 3 possibly higher. His FIP this year is 2.76 and again cut down on the walks and you're talking a very, very good pitcher. Have you watched him pitch? He has great stuff and he's 28 years old with 2 1/2 years of control. What did you think of Arietta 2 years ago? Ross' numbers are better than his were. Also I'm with SilenceS, don't use W-L in an argument about a pitcher. It's silly.

 

[TL1961]

Tyson Ross is a bottom of the rotation pitcher? LULZ. Me thinks you have no clue about other players.

Wow. Pot, meet kettle.