2015 cubs in season trades

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Torres is in the top 100 now.

:fap::fap::fap::fap::fap:


They will be getting rid of Howard.

How?

I dont doubt Vogelbach would be the future there, but how are they getting rid of Ryan Howard? Nobody is touching him or that contract. The Phillies back in may said they would cover close to the remaining 50 mil for the next 2 years (he's owed 25 mil per season) and nobody is answering the phone. The Rays backed off very quickly when Howard's name was linked to them in June from MLBTR.

Add in the friction between Phillies vets causing Ryno to leave as you mention, who wants that train wreck?

I would think they would want McKenney to be honest. Almora has fallen in value.

I doubt they would want Edwards. He is a questionable starter. I would nab One of the top arms they drafted in 2014. That group had better talent. We just know about the common suspects due to the time invested in development.

It is not a bad offer at all.

Agree.
 

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How?

I dont doubt Vogelbach would be the future there, but how are they getting rid of Ryan Howard? Nobody is touching him or that contract. The Phillies back in may said they would cover close to the remaining 50 mil for the next 2 years (he's owed 25 mil per season) and nobody is answering the phone. The Rays backed off very quickly when Howard's name was linked to them in June from MLBTR.

Add in the friction between Phillies vets causing Ryno to leave as you mention, who wants that train wreck?

Ya know.

Some stuff out there:

Ryne Sandberg's tortured tenure as manager of the Phillies during one of their most woeful times - which is really saying something - ended Tuesday in Baltimore when Chase Utley openly berated the pitching coach, and by extension Sandberg, for a clumsy bit of strategy that was failing badly.

also

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...d-bob-mcclure-get-in-ken-giles-face-in-dugout

Then

http://www.nj.com/phillies/index.ss..._dispels_notion_of_feud_with_cole_hamels.html

After allowing a game-tying, eighth-inning home run against the Washington Nationals, Hamels walked to the dugout before Sandberg could reach the mound to pull the left-handed ace and refused to answer questions about his feelings towards the manager afterwards.

By Wednesday though, Sandberg made it clear that he had spoken with Hamels and the two had no issues.

"I had a brief conversation with him," Sandberg said Wednesday afternoon. "He was upset with what had happened in the 7th inning and he was upset with the leadoff home run when he had a chance to go deep in that game. But, he knew that he was in there for an at-bat at-a-time style of situation. And the home run erased that possibility."

However, this isn't an isolated incident as Hamels was the fourth player to publicly show his displeasure with the team's skipper in the past two weeks.

"No, (Hamels) was upset about the home run," Sandberg said. "You know what, I gave him a verbal when I was about 6 feet from the grass. ‘Hey, we’re going to pick you up right here, Cole. Nice job.’ So he thought that that was the release to let him go. I just clarified that with him."

"First of all we’ve had a real nice homestand," Sandberg said. "If we won tonight we’ve had a very good homestand. So we’re playing good baseball. We’re playing hard. That’s where the focus should be. Guys are playing good ball. And numerous guys are playing good ball. We’re getting some good pitching, we’re getting some good hitting and we’ve beaten some teams on this homestand. That’s a positive."

The Phillies have won six of their last ten games and are playing some of the most consistent baseball of the season right now and Sandberg doesn't sound too concerned about the perceived turmoil brewing in the clubhouse.

Then last year Sandberg feuded with Jimmy Rollins.

So bad team that did not want Sandberg in in the first place IMO.

Not surprising that they are changing things from the top down. That whole org is shit inside and out.

Only guy I would want is Pap from there but I don't see the huge need going on. Cubs have Soriano close and Motte has stepped up. They would be tossing trade chips for a low need area.
 

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Cubs are better off holding the deck. Let Wada come back.

Next year LHSP:
David Price
Scott Kazmir
Brett Anderson

I still think they should go for Price in the offseason. Shed Jackson, Wood, Wada and Fowler. 2016 they have 82 mil tied up. Arrieta will get a pay hike most likely in the 8 mil range.

Now if they push Baez to CF and Schwarber to LF while adding Price as staff ace this team starts to look like a serious contender.
 

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Read a lot lately about scouts don't think Torres will stay at short. So, him moving off short has always been a possibility. I don't see the Cubs moving him off short for the foreseeable future because of value but a good bit think he won't stick there.
 

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Off season would be the earliest time. He has to build up value before it is worth considering it. Even so if they find a home for Baez it removes the need to move Castro.

My view has been Schwarber LF, Baez CF, Soler RF, Bryant 3B, Castro SS, Russell 2B, Rizzo 1B, Montero C. Bench: Ross, Alcantara, Denorfia, La Stella.

At that point you would be looking at Happ as the future 2B and it would be no rush to promote him.
 

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Hamels getting lit up by a shitty Miami offense. He isn't the Hamels of old. At least, not this year.
 

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Hamels getting lit up by a shitty Miami offense. He isn't the Hamels of old. At least, not this year.

Team is cancer right now. Bound to happen.
 

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Good. Drive that price down. :)

He will shine for someone down the stretch.
 

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The Cubs have been scouting Angels AA pitching prospect Chris Ellis for his last two starts including last night. This kid is 22 years old and a TOR prospect. No surprise that the Cubs are looking at someone like that but the intriguing part to me is who is the MLB player they're looking at to head the deal? CJ Wilson? That might make some sense as his deal will be up at about the time Ellis would be ready.
 

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@TheCCO: #Cubs | Report: Cubs Talked to the Tigers about David Price bit.ly/1TSuz5P #MLBRumors

@BleacherNation: Earlier: Cubs Reportedly One of Four Primary Landing Spots for Phillies Ace Cole Hamels http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/...y-landing-spots-for-phillies-ace-cole-hamels/ pic.twitter.com/wDKFjYZ1it


Price starts today and then Tuesday. ..
That would be when Cubs need a 5th starter if Hendricks goes Monday. ..

Hamels scheduled to start Saturday against the Cubs..
If he scratched from that start, we know why...


Should be an interesting weekend. ....
 

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@TheCCO: #Cubs | Report: Cubs Talked to the Tigers about David Price bit.ly/1TSuz5P #MLBRumors

@BleacherNation: Earlier: Cubs Reportedly One of Four Primary Landing Spots for Phillies Ace Cole Hamels http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/...y-landing-spots-for-phillies-ace-cole-hamels/ pic.twitter.com/wDKFjYZ1it


Price starts today and then Tuesday. ..
That would be when Cubs need a 5th starter if Hendricks goes Monday. ..

Hamels scheduled to start Saturday against the Cubs..
If he scratched from that start, we know why...


Should be an interesting weekend. ....

Price would be a mistake unless there's something we don't know like a willingness to sign an extension but Hamels continues to intrigue. Word today is that they've allegedly turned down a package with Castro and Baez. Not sure how they sweeten that pot for him or if they even want to. I also would not be surprised to watch Philly sit this one out again until MacPhail brings in his own GM in the offseason. Still it is abundantly clear that this team needs a pitcher with the hitting being as spotty as it is.
 

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Ya know.

Some stuff out there:



also

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...d-bob-mcclure-get-in-ken-giles-face-in-dugout

Then

http://www.nj.com/phillies/index.ss..._dispels_notion_of_feud_with_cole_hamels.html



Then last year Sandberg feuded with Jimmy Rollins.

So bad team that did not want Sandberg in in the first place IMO.

Not surprising that they are changing things from the top down. That whole org is shit inside and out.

Only guy I would want is Pap from there but I don't see the huge need going on. Cubs have Soriano close and Motte has stepped up. They would be tossing trade chips for a low need area.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but Sandberg is a much better fit for a young group that needs to be seasoned than the Phillies.
 

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Wouldn't mind seeing a poll on this. Hamels, Price, other, do nothing.

I would want Price but you can't give up premium talent in a rental. That would be stupid.

If they trade Baez it would be for a controllable player.

They have to do something now. DFA-ing Richard was a move that left the rotation at 4. Teams do not just drop their drawers like that.
 

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Wouldn't mind seeing a poll on this. Hamels, Price, other, do nothing.

I would want Price but you can't give up premium talent in a rental. That would be stupid.

If they trade Baez it would be for a controllable player.

They have to do something now. DFA-ing Richard was a move that left the rotation at 4. Teams do not just drop their drawers like that.

If I had to guess right now I'd say they're looking at some possible fifth starters while continuing to pursue a better, controllable option. It's not sexy but Dan Haren's name seems to come up a lot when you dig a little. That would not surprise me at all.
 

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Price would be a mistake unless there's something we don't know like a willingness to sign an extension but Hamels continues to intrigue. Word today is that they've allegedly turned down a package with Castro and Baez. Not sure how they sweeten that pot for him or if they even want to. I also would not be surprised to watch Philly sit this one out again until MacPhail brings in his own GM in the offseason. Still it is abundantly clear that this team needs a pitcher with the hitting being as spotty as it is.
I would hope theo/jed would be smart enough to not over spend on their system unless they get a commitment from Price that he will resign with them. ..have to think those numbers are agreed upon in this case for an extension before deal is made.

Hamels is a safe route because he tied up for 3 to 4 yrs at a reasonable cost. .. just a matter of how much talent your willing to give up for him....


Bottom line is, wheather it these 2 or someone else..
Cubs need to make a deal by Saturday or Sunday to have him ready to go Monday or Tuesday, and that has to be someone who doesn't pitch over the weekend. ..

So, watch for scratches or someone who pitched yesterday or today. .
 

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I would hope theo/jed would be smart enough to not over spend on their system unless they get a commitment from Price that he will resign with them. ..have to think those numbers are agreed upon in this case for an extension before deal is made.

Hamels is a safe route because he tied up for 3 to 4 yrs at a reasonable cost. .. just a matter of how much talent your willing to give up for him....


Bottom line is, wheather it these 2 or someone else..
Cubs need to make a deal by Saturday or Sunday to have him ready to go Monday or Tuesday, and that has to be someone who doesn't pitch over the weekend. ..

So, watch for scratches or someone who pitched yesterday or today. .

I think Wada is going to make that start despite being bad in his rehab assignment. This one's likely going down to the wire unless they're talking to someone about a guy no one is talking about. If you are monitoring starts though I'd pay attention to the Miami-San Diego series this weekend. Tyson Ross pitches for the Pads tonight, Dan Haren faces Andrew Cashner tomorrow night and Ian Kennedy pitches Saturday. I think if I were to rank possible moves I would say Haren, Kennedy, Cashner and Ross are all stronger possibilities than Price or Shields. Again Hamels is intriguing. I think the Cubs have what it takes to get him but will they give the best offer or do think the price is too high?
 

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I think Wada is going to make that start despite being bad in his rehab assignment. This one's likely going down to the wire unless they're talking to someone about a guy no one is talking about. If you are monitoring starts though I'd pay attention to the Miami-San Diego series this weekend. Tyson Ross pitches for the Pads tonight, Dan Haren faces Andrew Cashner tomorrow night and Ian Kennedy pitches Saturday. I think if I were to rank possible moves I would say Haren, Kennedy, Cashner and Ross are all stronger possibilities than Price or Shields. Again Hamels is intriguing. I think the Cubs have what it takes to get him but will they give the best offer or do think the price is too high?
If the main offer was either Castro or Baez, guess it depends on who else is involved. ..

Interesting side note.. wasn't Mcphail with Cubs when they got Castro?
 

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