2015 cubs in season trades

[Parade_Rain]

I like Castro but that's not the reason I wouldn't like this trade....maybe I should just say, it seems a bit risky. Not that Shields wouldn't be a good fit. I'm just not sold on Baez like some of you guys are...I'd like to see a bit more of him at the ML level. I mean we already are close to the ML lead in strike outs and the last I saw, Baez was striking out...a lot.

I'm not sold on Baez, but at the same time, they can move Russell to short and put any number of other players at 2B. They could call up Alcantara. For that matter, Lake seems to be doing decent this season. Wasn't he originally SS? If so, perhaps he's a callup to fill a bit of that void, if a trade of Castro happens and Baez isn't ready. Just thinking out loud. I could be way off.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I love the Castro for Shields idea. Shields is a good playoff competitor like Lester and he should excel with Cubs analytics in his favor.

The Cubs core 1.leadoff- Russell 2. Scharber 3.Bryant 4.Rizzo 5. Soler

looks exceptional. Any tag along like a Cespedes with Price, or a Kemp/Upton packaged with shields will make this team a championship contender in 2015. I think its worth taking a chance on (come on Rickets spend some cash like you promised when you **** blocked us from a billionaire who spares no expense to win).

This team is heating up and when you get young guys this close to the finish line they start getting excited and building momentum and having fun. Lester has come around in full. The pitcher they paid for is here and has been a strong finisher in his career. Arrieta is acing.

And the 3/4 carried them early when they needed it. Adding any of Shark/Price/Hamels/Gray makes them so formidable in a playoff series.

 

[CSF77]

Baez has some holes in his swing when he came up. Theo and Jed knew this and promoted him to teach him that he had to adjust.

Take it for what it is. He changed his approach pre injury and had a more controlled approach to hitting vs all of the excessive movement.

IMO he needs to be able to prove the doubters wrong.

Castro for Shields is a pretty good trade. Shields has plenty in the tank and has been durable his whole career. It is a good buy. All the anti stuff on him holds little weight when you look at his history


Castro I felt would be replaced at some point. Too undisciplined of a player for this management. They tried to make him into what they wanted and that failed. Then this year the floor fell out. Hitting and D.

I loved him when he was this .300 30 SB guy. He is not that guy anymore

 

[TL1961]

I love the Castro for Shields idea. Shields is a good playoff competitor like Lester and he should excel with Cubs analytics in his favor.

The Cubs core 1.leadoff- Russell 2. Scharber 3.Bryant 4.Rizzo 5. Soler

looks exceptional. Any tag along like a Cespedes with Price, or a Kemp/Upton packaged with shields will make this team a championship contender in 2015. I think its worth taking a chance on (come on Rickets spend some cash like you promised when you **** blocked us from a billionaire who spares no expense to win).

This team is heating up and when you get young guys this close to the finish line they start getting excited and building momentum and having fun. Lester has come around in full. The pitcher they paid for is here and has been a strong finisher in his career. Arrieta is acing.

And the 3/4 carried them early when they needed it. Adding any of Shark/Price/Hamels/Gray makes them so formidable in a playoff series.

Cespedes won't be a throw in. Nor will Justin Upton.

Price or Shields alone would cost a lot. "Throwing in" a sought after bat will not happen. Unless SD pays a lot of Shields' salary.

Shields is OK. But he is now overpaid currently, and will make more as he gets worse. SD went all in, and paid him more than anyone else felt he was worth, and now they want to trade that contract AND get a return? Hmmm.....

I have heard Castro for Shields. Pull the trigger on that one without hesitation. But know that Shields will be one expensive poor pitcher soon.

 

[JZsportsfan]

If the Cubs are trading Castro, I would prefer to get someone quite a bit younger than Shields

 

[PickSix]

Per Sun Times article, we can forget about any big names. Ricketts is going Mr Potter route and going to ruin our Wonderful Life. He can only drum up $5 mill for us.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/819231/scott-kazmir-trade-astros-impact-cubs

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Per Sun Times article, we can forget about any big names. Ricketts is going Mr Potter route and going to ruin our Wonderful Life. He can only drum up $5 mill for us.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/819231/scott-kazmir-trade-astros-impact-cubs

Written by Gordon Wittenmyer who has waged a war on Ricketts for years. Only this year has he come around on Theo's rebuild and that dragging and screaming. Ricketts is not a cheap owner, although there are debt service concerns, and I'm guessing anything Theo wants Theo will get. Screw Wittenmyer.

 

[TL1961]

If the Cubs are trading Castro, I would prefer to get someone quite a bit younger than Shields

Me too. But that wont likely be an option without trading others.

 

[chibears55]

Dave Kaplan sources are pretty much right on. .

He mentioned yesterday that his source told him the cubs were looking more into a not a big name rental starter...

So, it wouldn't surprise me if they stayed quiet on any big moves.. maybe just trade a vogelbach or a couple kids that are expendable in the system. ..

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Dave Kaplan sources are pretty much right on. .

He mentioned yesterday that his source told him the cubs were looking more into a not a big name rental starter...

So, it wouldn't surprise me if they stayed quiet on any big moves.. maybe just trade a vogelbach or a couple kids that are expendable in the system. ..

I don't think there's any way they go for a top rental starter. I do think they will target Price in the off season but why give up prospects for him now? Ditto for any of the other guys out there. On the other hand it makes a lot of sense for them to stay on the phone daily with Philly regarding Hamels. They may not get him but if his asking price gets to where they would like it, combined with how well these teams know each other's systems from talking Hamels since last August, the Cubs will want to be teh first to know. I don't think it's likely they'll get him, I think it'll be the Dodgers myself, but it's still possible. Most likely though it will be a younger pitcher with upside and some years of control like Tyson Ross or Andrew Cashner or a back end starter rental like Dan Haren, Mat Latos or Ian Kennedy. This is a team with a low percentage chance to win a World Series in 2015 but with a very bright future ahead of them. Any move should reflect that and likely will.

 

[SilenceS]

I still don't believe they offer Castro and Baez for Hamels. It almost makes no sense for both sides. Also, why go after James Shields and give up Castro? There are at least 10 pitchers on the FA market as good or better then him with way less mileage that can be had for cheaper.

I just don't believe some of these rumors. They could have went and got Kazmir for not that much.

I don't know. I just find it hard that they would break up the young core in the middle of the season for aging pitching veteran and start moving parts all around.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I still don't believe they offer Castro and Baez for Hamels. It almost makes no sense for both sides. Also, why go after James Shields and give up Castro? There are at least 10 pitchers on the FA market as good or better then him with way less mileage that can be had for cheaper.

I just don't believe some of these rumors. They could have went and got Kazmir for not that much.

I don't know. I just find it hard that they would break up the young core in the middle of the season for aging pitching veteran and start moving parts all around.

Yeah, I don't buy the Baez and Castro thing either. There's no way they would depend on Alcantara at 2B in a pennant race. Now I wouldn't be shocked if one of them led a package for Hamels or Tyson Ross, who to me are the only pitchers in any blockbuster type deals with even a small chance of happening, but even then they would be selling low on either Castro or Baez and have to make up the lost value with the other players in the deal. Again much more likely would be a deal something like a Mark Zagunis level prospect for a Dan Haren, Mat Latos, Ian Kennedy or the like.

 

[SilenceS]

Yeah, I don't buy the Baez and Castro thing either. There's no way they would depend on Alcantara at 2B in a pennant race. Now I wouldn't be shocked if one of them led a package for Hamels or Tyson Ross, who to me are the only pitchers in any blockbuster type deals with even a small chance of happening, but even then they would be selling low on either Castro or Baez and have to make up the lost value with the other players in the deal. Again much more likely would be a deal something like a Mark Zagunis level prospect for a Dan Haren, Mat Latos, Ian Kennedy or the like.

I like Tyson Ross. I don't think the Padres would give him up though unless for a big haul.

 

[beckdawg]

Dave Kaplan sources are pretty much right on. .

He mentioned yesterday that his source told him the cubs were looking more into a not a big name rental starter...

So, it wouldn't surprise me if they stayed quiet on any big moves.. maybe just trade a vogelbach or a couple kids that are expendable in the system. ..

I still think Latos seems like a pretty typical cub play under theo.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I still think Latos seems like a pretty typical cub play under theo.

I think they'd rather have Dan Haren myself but they might have to settle for Latos because of the salary situations.

 

[beckdawg]

I think they'd rather have Dan Haren myself but they might have to settle for Latos because of the salary situations.

I mean Haren is obviously pitching "better" but Latos seems like someone you go after with the hopes of re-signing him next year. Haren is 34 and Latos is 27. Plus if you look at the underlying numbers they suggest Latos should have better numbers and Haren should have worse. Haren has a 3.46/4.31 ERA FIP compared to Latos at 4.48/3.32. There's also a Hoyer connection with Latos. While he didn't draft him he was there from 2009 through when he was trade to the Reds which basically covers everything after A ball for Latos.

Just seems to me that Latos will come cheaper and he seems like something Bosio can work up like he's done with Feldman, Maholm and Hammel

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I mean Haren is obviously pitching "better" but Latos seems like someone you go after with the hopes of re-signing him next year. Haren is 34 and Latos is 27. Plus if you look at the underlying numbers they suggest Latos should have better numbers and Haren should have worse. Haren has a 3.46/4.31 ERA FIP compared to Latos at 4.48/3.32. There's also a Hoyer connection with Latos. While he didn't draft him he was there from 2009 through when he was trade to the Reds which basically covers everything after A ball for Latos.

Just seems to me that Latos will come cheaper and he seems like something Bosio can work up like he's done with Feldman, Maholm and Hammel

That's a valid angle, Latos peripherals are everything you said, although I think either one would strictly be a rental. I think their sites are set on bigger fish either in FA or trades in the offseason. Plus Latos is considered a clubhouse cancer and just doesn't seem to be Theo and Jed's type of guy.

 

[CSF77]

Latos has strong stuff. At 6 feet 6 inches (1.98 m), Latos throws from a high release point. He throws a four-seam fastball (91 to 96 miles per hour (146 to 154 km/h)), a two-seam fastball (90 to 94 miles per hour (145 to 151 km/h)), a slider (84 to 87 miles per hour (135 to 140 km/h)), a curveball (78 to 82 miles per hour (126 to 132 km/h)), and a changeup (82 to 85 miles per hour (132 to 137 km/h)). (wikpidia)

He has a higher top end than Hammel. Potentially if he can get it all together he could be equal to Arrieta. He has that type of arsenal at his disposal. It would not be a dumb gamble.

 

[beckdawg]

That's a valid angle, Latos peripherals are everything you said, although I think either one would strictly be a rental. I think their sites are set on bigger fish either in FA or trades in the offseason. Plus Latos is considered a clubhouse cancer and just doesn't seem to be Theo and Jed's type of guy.

Hadn't heard that about Latos. Not doubting your word here or anything just something I hadn't heard but then again I don't really follow the Reds/Pads/Marlins that close. As for setting sights higher, maybe but I think if his time over the last 3 months is good it's easier to sell him on the team going forward and it sets you up with a lead on the market because if you don't like the pricing of the Prices of the world in FA you have a young back up choice.

Obviously if he does have the club house issues that's something to consider too.

 

[CSF77]

Hadn't heard that about Latos. Not doubting your word here or anything just something I hadn't heard but then again I don't really follow the Reds/Pads/Marlins that close. As for setting sights higher, maybe but I think if his time over the last 3 months is good it's easier to sell him on the team going forward and it sets you up with a lead on the market because if you don't like the pricing of the Prices of the world in FA you have a young back up choice.

Obviously if he does have the club house issues that's something to consider too.

He came across as he knew every thing and did care for any advice, and it rubbed the vets raw. Immaturity issue. Not sure if he grew out of it. falling on one's face tends to show one humility.