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Latos was always considered a big prospect. He just never got over that hump. Im not going to speculate why that happened but his ability was never questioned.
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Injury was a big part of it. I just think he needs to work with a guy like Bosio and Montero. What they have done to this point it would be hard to believe that they couldn't get Latos' potential out. If they can't he must have rocks in his head.
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In reference to potential, Latos is only 27. Arrieta didn't have his breakthrough until he was 28 and Latos obviously has had several pretty good years in the past.
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I really don't think he has ever reached his potential. He has gotten by on stuff for the most part. Just like Arreta. Great stuff but when he figured out how to use it all. Maddon believes there is still a whole another level to Arrieta's potential. That is scary to even think.
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Reportedly, the cubs offered ,castro and baez to Phils in deal for Hamels. Phils underwhelmed. Hope cole has poor outing tmrw. May help lower demand.
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Orioles to be sellers.
Chris davis available.
Cards could put him at 3rd and Carpenter at 1st. Not sure what it would take. But i hope he goes elsewhere.
Chris davis available.
Cards could put him at 3rd and Carpenter at 1st. Not sure what it would take. But i hope he goes elsewhere.
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The Padres are listening to offers on their entire rotation, but they “really want to move” both James Shields and Andrew Cashner, Stark hears from other teams. Shields’ name has surfaced as an unexpected trade candidate in recent weeks, and it sounds like San Diego is very open to moving Shields’ backloaded deal. A team taking on Shields would need to be willing to commit three years and $64MM to him, barring financial help from the Padres, but there’s also the chance that Shields could opt out of the final two years of his contract. With a strong 2016 performance, he may feel that he can do better than the final $45MM he’s guaranteed over the 2017-18 seasons.
That the club “really wants to move” Cashner is a bit more puzzling. While Shields is an aging veteran that has the potential to handcuff future payroll flexibility with his sizable financial commitment, Cashner’s 28 years old and enjoying a solid season (though his 4.10 ERA is a bit worse than sabermetric marks such as his 3.69 xFIP). Cashner’s earning a very reasonable $4.05MM in 2015 and will receive a raise this offseason before qualifying for free agency after the 2016 campaign. He does have a lengthy injury history, so perhaps the thinking among the new San Diego brass is that his value won’t be higher than it is now, and they don’t want to risk a second half injury.
That the club “really wants to move” Cashner is a bit more puzzling. While Shields is an aging veteran that has the potential to handcuff future payroll flexibility with his sizable financial commitment, Cashner’s 28 years old and enjoying a solid season (though his 4.10 ERA is a bit worse than sabermetric marks such as his 3.69 xFIP). Cashner’s earning a very reasonable $4.05MM in 2015 and will receive a raise this offseason before qualifying for free agency after the 2016 campaign. He does have a lengthy injury history, so perhaps the thinking among the new San Diego brass is that his value won’t be higher than it is now, and they don’t want to risk a second half injury.
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So how would this go over with the fan base?
Trade for Hamels. Send Soler, Vogelbach and a pitcher.
Baez moves to 3B, Bryant to RF. Schwarber to LF after Montero gets back.
Thoughts?
Trade for Hamels. Send Soler, Vogelbach and a pitcher.
Baez moves to 3B, Bryant to RF. Schwarber to LF after Montero gets back.
Thoughts?
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Thinking phillies would pass... their looking for infielders no ?
I still dont see Schwarber in the OF.. I think he a 1Bmen or 3Bmen. .
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Actually, this is why I don't believe both Castro and Baez were put up for Hamels. The Phillies actually have top MI prospect in JP Crawford who is ranked 15 in top 100. They have one OF prospect who just barely cracks the top 100. The Phillies are in desperate need of OF's. this is why I believe the Castro and Baez together makes no sense for either team.
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He's never played either of those positions. He has put in quite a bit of time in LF though, including last year in the Cubs system. He's likely going to have to play some there this year when Montero comes back, next year is a different story. Maybe he's the full time catcher from day 1 and Montero is dealt.
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They are looking for 1 guy they can say is a premier player. and 2 quality players to go with him. That is the asking price. Cubs are on record of saying Bryant, Russell and Schwarber are not in play. So that leaves Soler, Baez as the 2 top chips.
I think you sell Schwarber too short. That is the first time I've heard 3B at all. I don't see that. I see him as a long term catcher but after a few years learning the league. LF would just be a place to keep his bat in the line up until he is ready to take over as the starting catcher.
I'm mostly concerned with Bryant in RF. I think he could be top end out there. Strong arm and athletic. His body is better suited for a corner OF spot vs digging 100+ mph grounders 90 feet away.
I just see Baez as a upgrade at 3B long term to Bryant from the D side. If he has made the adjustment to progress as a hitter I wouldn't be mad with Soler traded.
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Sarge played the same LF. No one would call him a D wonder. LF at Wrigg has always been a spot to put your worst D/best bat. Sure there are spots on the field that you would be stupid to sac D for O. CF. That is a big one. SS...ahem Castro. C: ya that is why I am weary with Schwarber in there too long. In Wrigg RF. For a few games it would be low impact but with the wind changes that field can play havoc. Still Sosa patrolled it for years and he was not known for his glove.
In general if the bat supports it then you can give up some D. But if you give up D in some spots you have to strengthen it in others. Like CF. Almora alone would make up for the corners being shaky. 3B Baez would lower the errors ahem fan souvenirs behind 1B.
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Defense aside.. my doubt on him is his agility and ability to being able to run down balls down the line and in gap.. just feel he will be a step or two too slow out there with them stocky catchers legs..
I actually just heard them talking about schwarber and 3B on Kaplan show last night.. someone just mentioned a possibility that they could consider moving bryant to LF and schwarber to 3B..
I thought that would make sense for next year..
Both can get accustomed during winterball or Az fall ball. .
@PWSullivan: Maddon said asking Schwarber to play LF now is a lot to throw at him so soon.
Like I was saying. . Difficult to learn to catch and play OF at same time....
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I wont belabor the point here but Schwarber to 3B sounds as unrealistic as Bryant to CF to me. I can't think of anyone other than Brandon Inge who went from C to 3B. It's not a very common transition.
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that would be a cheap price for Hamels in my opinion, but I could see the Phillies salivating at a new infield of the future and moving on from Utley.
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While the Cubs are indeed willing to consider including Starlin Castro or Javier Baez in a deal for Cole Hamels of the Phillies, a source tells Heyman that the team would not be interested in moving both to add the lefty. Philadelphia’s plans for Hamels remain something of a mystery, but per the report the club may be backing down from its previous high-end demands from clubs like the Dodgers (Corey Seager or Julio Urias) and Red Sox (Mookie Betts or Blake Swihart).
There is now virtually no chance that Phillies lefty Cliff Lee will try to make it back this year, and he appears likely to retire over the winter.
As they approach the deadline and look ahead to free agency, the Cubs have some limitations on their spending capacity but will nevertheless try to add David Price (at least once he hits the open market). Meanwhile, the team has at least some interest in Reds starter Mike Leake as a trade piece but are somewhat hesitant to pursue rental options. While the Giants have plenty of rotation options, they too have considered Leake.
There is now virtually no chance that Phillies lefty Cliff Lee will try to make it back this year, and he appears likely to retire over the winter.
As they approach the deadline and look ahead to free agency, the Cubs have some limitations on their spending capacity but will nevertheless try to add David Price (at least once he hits the open market). Meanwhile, the team has at least some interest in Reds starter Mike Leake as a trade piece but are somewhat hesitant to pursue rental options. While the Giants have plenty of rotation options, they too have considered Leake.
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Bout time someone corrected that. It made no sense for them to offer both.
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I agree. I'm okay selling either Castro or Baez. Add in Vogelbach and Underwood. That is a solid offer for Hamels. Castro, Vogelbach and Underwood would my personal choice. Baez I would want to see a lower end pitcher like Zastryzny.