2015 Cubs Offseason Discussion

[JZsportsfan]

Why would he take 4/$65 when 5/$80 is likely on the table?

 

[KingDarude7]

You were saying weren't sure about a 5 year deal just thinking of alternative.

He'd be 38 on end of 5 year deal. I just hope they get an ace in free agency

 

[JZsportsfan]

Oh gotcha.

$65 million seems too low but at his age anything more than a 4 year deal is risky. Maybe have an option for a 5th with a buyout option. But I don't think he leaves KC if those rumors are true.

 

[KingDarude7]

5 year/85 be about 17 a year 4/65 is 16 million a year.

Think it should be 5th year option to. Think it depends on how they do the rest of postseason to.

 

[KingDarude7]

Just sign sherzer, Lester and Shields lol. Doubt we get 2 big money free agents.

 

[brett05]

On a side note, the Royals are reportedly going to offer Shields a 5/$80 million extension. That's could be enough to get him to stay IMO. Wouldn't mind if the Cubs went to 85 but not anymore than that. Not sure about Shields on a 5 year deal.

Than he's staying a Royal if that's their offer and the Cubs counter offer. The Cubs counter is just not big enough to nab a Shields over a contending team.

 

[brett05]

4 yr/65 million? For Shields?

Not to the Cubs. They need to do two things to land big fish. Out year and out annual the contending teams.

 

[brett05]

Just sign sherzer, Lester and Shields lol. Doubt we get 2 big money free agents.

from those three I doubt the Cubs land one.

 

[SilenceS]

from those three I doubt the Cubs land one.

The Cubs could sign one of them and you would probably still say that. Brett trolling.

 

[SilenceS]

Im not into Heyward. The cost to get him would be high and I believe we can stay in house. As for this whole power thing, whats the problem with it. The Rockies of the 90's had no problem with it. They had like 4 guys every season with 30 plus jacks. The Orioles this season have far and away the most homeruns in the league and they seem to be doing well. Their team OBP is middle of the league. There is a million ways to build a lineup. In the end, talent trumps all no matter their skill set. The Cubs have a legit 4 guys that could bang out 25 plus homers next year. Thats not a problem.

 

[brett05]

The Cubs could sign one of them and you would probably still say that. Brett trolling.

I've stated the logic prior

That said id admit being wrong as I've done in the past. Most in this forum has the guts to do so...not

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Yeah the reliance on power these days to drive in runs is a necessity, considering the amount of shifts that are drastically lowering batting averages.

The day of the .300 hitter is going away, as only a few each year will be able to hit that high.

 

[CSF77]

It has more to do with building a team geared towards OBA. BA, speed and SLG are flavor. But the key is OBA when you draft and develop. That is why Jed said they would have passed over Baez but they could not have predicted his drive to succeed. Still his free swing is not the type they have been shooting after. Bryant, Soler, Russell, Almora, Schwarber all have solid strike zone command. Rizzo same thing. Castro and Baez do not. Same with Lake. Hendry did not draft OBA types.

If they sign or trade any one it would be for a guy with solid OBA skills and they one out would be one with lesser OBA skills. So ya guys like Alcantara, Baez and Castro are the types they would deal out for players with the skill sets they prefer.

This has nothing to do with favoritism. Just how they want to build a team. All moneyball mechanics where OBA comes first.

 

[SilenceS]

It has more to do with building a team geared towards OBA. BA, speed and SLG are flavor. But the key is OBA when you draft and develop. That is why Jed said they would have passed over Baez but they could not have predicted his drive to succeed. Still his free swing is not the type they have been shooting after. Bryant, Soler, Russell, Almora, Schwarber all have solid strike zone command. Rizzo same thing. Castro and Baez do not. Same with Lake. Hendry did not draft OBA types.

If they sign or trade any one it would be for a guy with solid OBA skills and they one out would be one with lesser OBA skills. So ya guys like Alcantara, Baez and Castro are the types they would deal out for players with the skill sets they prefer.

This has nothing to do with favoritism. Just how they want to build a team. All moneyball mechanics where OBA comes first.

Yes, but not all players need that. Its not like Baez doesnt walk at all. He will probably be around 8% next year. Alcantara has shown he can walk in the minors. It has to translate because his game will be only awesome if he gets on base a lot. He doesnt have the SLG to make up for it. Castro is a pure hitter. He even increased his walk rate this year. I also think Castro is about to turn into a perennial .300 hitter.

Also, whats with this Almora talk. He had over 500 at bats and walked 14 times. Castro looks like the Greek God of walks compared to him and he was Theo's and company first draft pick.

 

[brett05]

Yes, but not all players need that. Its not like Baez doesnt walk at all. He will probably be around 8% next year. Alcantara has shown he can walk in the minors. It has to translate because his game will be only awesome if he gets on base a lot. He doesnt have the SLG to make up for it. Castro is a pure hitter. He even increased his walk rate this year. I also think Castro is about to turn into a perennial .300 hitter.

Can we put the kool-aid down?
Baez will be at 8% next season? He's never done it before. Maybe if they bat him 8th.
The real kool-aid comment is calling Castro a "pure hitter."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11129416/mlb-best-pure-hitters?src=mobile

Castro as a pure hitter. Please, switch to tap water, unsweetened.

Also, whats with this Almora talk. He had over 500 at bats and walked 14 times. Castro looks like the Greek God of walks compared to him and he was Theo's and company first draft pick.

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

 

[JZsportsfan]

I think Almora will be traded anyways. He won't be ready for at least 2 years and the Cubs will need to part with some of their top guys before that. Mine as well give up the guys it will take the longest to get here.

As for Heyward it would likely cost way more than the Cubs would be willing to give up.

 

[SilenceS]

Can we put the kool-aid down?
Baez will be at 8% next season? He's never done it before. Maybe if they bat him 8th.
The real kool-aid comment is calling Castro a "pure hitter."

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11129416/mlb-best-pure-hitters?src=mobile

Castro as a pure hitter. Please, switch to tap water, unsweetened.



In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

Lol, this post makes me laugh on how little you know. Baez walked at a 7.8% clip in AAA and a 7.9% clip in AA. 6.6% with over a 40% K rate this year. Saying he should be around 8% is not a stretch at all. Its called facts.

Oh, the best is did you even read the article? It just described Castro. He has one of the best hand to eye coordination at the plate. From your article,Dan Jennings: "For me, the purity comes with guys who use their hands and remove their body from their swings. Most of them are linear hitters -- they're not rotational. They have the ability to deliver the barrel with their hands, ride through and extend. It's a thing of beauty." Check

ave Magadan: "A pure hitter has the ability to use the whole field. He's disciplined at the plate, and I don't mean having a lot of walks. I think of discipline as knowing what he wants to hit, and when he gets it, he swings at it and hits it hard. And if he doesn't get it, he takes it and waits for the pitch he's looking for. You can be disciplined and swing at the first pitch and line it to left-center for a double." check

"Pure hitters all have great hand-eye coordination -- or hand-to-barrel of the bat coordination. They can manipulate the bat head and still make hard contact even when they're a little bit fooled or out in front. Look at Tony Gwynn's 3,000th hit. He was way out in front of that pitch and still managed to hit a soft line drive to the middle of the field. He always knew where the barrel of the bat was." Check

That is just from your article. Also, whats great is your hatred for the Cubs and call Kool-Aid.

In the last 50 years, Castro ranks 8th among most hits before age 25. Castro ranks behind only Robin Yount (1,031), Ken Griffey (972), Cesar Cedeno (926), Alex Rodriguez (903), Roberto Alomar (862), Miguel Cabrera (857), and Edgar Renteria (847).

I know, I know. He is not a pure hitter. He is just lucky or some shit you will make up. The best part is he has done even with his awful season last year.

 

[SilenceS]

Oh and what are you comparing Almora to? Castro and Baez walked more in the minors. Did you make any point?

 

[brett05]

Lol, this post makes me laugh on how little you know. Baez walked at a 7.8% clip in AAA and a 7.9% clip in AA. 6.6% with over a 40% K rate this year. Saying he should be around 8% is not a stretch at all. Its called facts.

You really need to look up or have someone read to you what a fact is. Fact is he's never done it. Fact is the pitching is much better at the major league level than the minor league level.

Oh, the best is did you even read the article? It just described Castro. He has one of the best hand to eye coordination at the plate. From your article,Dan Jennings: "For me, the purity comes with guys who use their hands and remove their body from their swings. Most of them are linear hitters -- they're not rotational. They have the ability to deliver the barrel with their hands, ride through and extend. It's a thing of beauty." Check

ave Magadan: "A pure hitter has the ability to use the whole field. He's disciplined at the plate, and I don't mean having a lot of walks. I think of discipline as knowing what he wants to hit, and when he gets it, he swings at it and hits it hard. And if he doesn't get it, he takes it and waits for the pitch he's looking for. You can be disciplined and swing at the first pitch and line it to left-center for a double." check

"Pure hitters all have great hand-eye coordination -- or hand-to-barrel of the bat coordination. They can manipulate the bat head and still make hard contact even when they're a little bit fooled or out in front. Look at Tony Gwynn's 3,000th hit. He was way out in front of that pitch and still managed to hit a soft line drive to the middle of the field. He always knew where the barrel of the bat was." Check

Yes I read it. And you won't find Starlin's name mentioned anywhere nor can he do what is described in your cherry picked quotes as the players the article actually mentions.

That is just from your article. Also, whats great is your hatred for the Cubs and call Kool-Aid.

See I am a man of integrity. I can admit when I am hating. You can't admit when you guzzle kool aid by the barrels as is you get a greater dividend on stock that you surely own.

In the last 50 years, Castro ranks 8th among most hits before age 25. Castro ranks behind only Robin Yount (1,031), Ken Griffey (972), Cesar Cedeno (926), Alex Rodriguez (903), Roberto Alomar (862), Miguel Cabrera (857), and Edgar Renteria (847).

I know, I know. He is not a pure hitter. He is just lucky or some (stuff) you will make up. The best part is he has done even with his awful season last year.

You need to read the article again or at least finish it off. Put the Kool-Aid cup down and read the article. Cedeno and Renteria as pure hitters? Oh boy.

 

[brett05]

Oh and what are you comparing Almora to? Castro and Baez walked more in the minors. Did you make any point?

Look up this phrase so you can find the point....."in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king." It'll help you keep up. And they call me a troll. We now have a trolling mod. Lovely.