2015 Cubs Offseason Discussion

[SilenceS]

I really want liriano. Also, Martin is getting 4 to 5 years in the 70 to 80 million dollar range and early reports are he is leaning towards the Cubs at this present time. Also, nick markakis seems to want to go back to Baltimore and they want him back


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[TC in Mississippi]

I really want liriano. Also, Martin is getting 4 to 5 years in the 70 to 80 million dollar range and early reports are he is leaning towards the Cubs at this present time. Also, nick markakis seems to want to go back to Baltimore and they want him back


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I like Liriano too. Especially if paired with Martin.

 

[CSF77]

Not sure if Liriano is worth giving up a pick over. The way I look at it is Liriano would be a fall back plan to not getting Lester.

You would expect Lester to be the main priority. If he signs elsewhere then the options are:

Shields and Liriano give up a 2nd round pick.
Trade for Hamels and give up 3 prospects.

I would rather give up a 2nd round pick and get Shields. He is a safer bet over Liriano. Hamels IMO would cost Baez and 2 more tossed in. Not going there.

 

[JZsportsfan]

The asking price on Hamels is absurd. The reason players usually command a huge return via trade is because they are in their arbitration years on a team friendly contract. I'm sorry but trading multiple top 20 prospects in all of baseball is not worth the right to pay Hamels nearly $100 million over the next few years. If he were an FA I'd have him as my #2 behind Lester.

Cubs need a top tier option, and a 2nd tier. Liriano could be the best #2 option out there. I would not mind Hammel however, and he also has no qualifying offer tied to him.

 

[chibears55]

How does it work if they signed multiple QO guys..
1st guy they lose 2nd rd pick, what would they lose on the 2nd signing ?

 

[JZsportsfan]

How does it work if they signed multiple QO guys..
1st guy they lose 2nd rd pick, what would they lose on the 2nd signing ?

To my understanding it continues to go on. So say they sign Martin tomorrow, Pirates get their 2nd round pick. Then they sign Scherzer Friday, the Tigers get their 3rd round pick, Robertson Sunday Yanks get 4th round, and so on

 

[CSF77]

To my understanding it continues to go on. So say they sign Martin tomorrow, Pirates get their 2nd round pick. Then they sign Scherzer Friday, the Tigers get their 3rd round pick, Robertson Sunday Yanks get 4th round, and so on

Think the best pick goes to the highest rated F/A. Not sure though. Good question though.

I see it as if they decide to eat Jacksons deal and not offer Wood arb than Hammel would be the top pitching target to back fill a spot. The TOR guy should be among Lester, Scherzer, Shields and Hamel.

Interesting if they add Lester and Hammel. Think then the rotation breaks down as Lester, Arrieta, Hammel, Wada, Hendricks. Just to split up the lefties.

 

[CSF77]

The MLB free agent compensation rules changed significantly under the 2012-2016 CBA. Under the new CBA, teams will only receive draft compensation if another team signs one of their “Qualified Free Agents” who were tendered a “Qualifying Offer.” Compensation will be in the form of a compensation draft pick in the supplemental round in between the first and second rounds of the amateur draft.

To receive compensation, the former team must tender a Qualifying Offer, the player must decline (or not accept) the offer, and the player must sign a major league contract with another major league team before the next year amateur draft. Compensation will be a supplemental round draft pick in the next draft. The supplemental round will be in reverse order of winning percentage from the recently completed season. Teams with multiple picks in the supplemental round will get those picks slotted consecutively. If two teams have the same winning percentage, the preceding seasons winning percentage is the tiebreaker.

A team signing a compensable Qualified Free Agent forfeits its highest available pick in the next draft. If a team signs more than one compensable Qualified Free Agent, it will forfeit its next highest selection, even if it is a supplemental round pick. No team shall be required to forfeit a selection in the top 10 of the first round. All draft picks shall be forfeitable except those awarded to the former team for failing to sign a prior year’s pick. Forfeited picks are not awarded to the Qualified Free Agent's former team as they were under the prior rules. They instead disappear altogether.

http://wiki.soxprospects.com/MLB+Compensatory+Draft+Pick+System

 

[chibears55]

The asking price on Hamels is absurd. The reason players usually command a huge return via trade is because they are in their arbitration years on a team friendly contract. I'm sorry but trading multiple top 20 prospects in all of baseball is not worth the right to pay Hamels nearly $100 million over the next few years. If he were an FA I'd have him as my #2 behind Lester.

Cubs need a top tier option, and a 2nd tier. Liriano could be the best #2 option out there. I would not mind Hammel however, and he also has no qualifying offer tied to him.

Sorry but if they ended up with liriano and Jason hammel it would be a failed offseason. .
It would be almost the same as last season with samardzija and hammel ..

they need to try and sign Lester.. supposedly the Redsox are willing to go 6 yrs, when the cubs meet with him they need to say 6 yrs and what amount will get you to agree before you walk out that door... they need to build their rotation starting with him...

 

[CSF77]

I can see them forfiting the #2 pick and the cash slot. 2 & 3 it is going to shrink their total cash available a bit much. If they are going to give up a slot it would be on Martin.

 

[CSF77]

Sorry but if they ended up with liriano and Jason hammel it would be a failed offseason. .
It would be almost the same as last season with samardzija and hammel ..

they need to try and sign Lester.. supposedly the Redsox are willing to go 6 yrs, when the cubs meet with him they need to say 6 yrs and what amount will get you to agree before you walk out that door... they need to build their rotation starting with him...

I wouldn't go as far as failed. Arrieta, Hendricks and Wada held their own. Adding Liriano and Hammel would add some vet balance to it. To me it would signified they are still running the ship as a business model and the play off stuff was hot air.

 

[CSF77]

The 6 year offer from the sox have a link?

 

[chibears55]

I wouldn't go as far as failed. Arrieta, Hendricks and Wada held their own. Adding Liriano and Hammel would add some vet balance to it. To me it would signified they are still running the ship as a business model and the play off stuff was hot air.

It would be like i said what they had going into last season.. Liriano and samardzija are basically the same..

I want a TOR starter and someone who would be an upgrade over wood. ..
i want to see Arrieta 2 , Hendricks 4 , and wada 5

 

[brett05]

The 6 year offer from the sox have a link?

It was on mlb.com this morning

 

[JZsportsfan]

Yeah Red Sox are definitely a huge contender for Lester. I don't see the Cubs giving up 2 draft picks, for FA's but who knows. Obviously Lester will be their top target, but it sounds like Martin is right up there as well. If they do sign Martin, I would be surprised if they signed Liriano as opposed to checking in on a McCarthy/Hammel/Masterson type. I'd take Liriano over any of them, but the fact that he has a qualifying offer tied to him will hurt him in the Cubs eyes

 

[Diehardfan]

It would be like i said what they had going into last season.. Liriano and samardzija are basically the same..

I want a TOR starter and someone who would be an upgrade over wood. ..
i want to see Arrieta 2 , Hendricks 4 , and wada 5

Big difference will come in run support. Shark got nothing when he was here....an ERA under three and a big losing record. I believe this young club will score some runs and make anyone they bring in that much better. That being said...I still prefer Lester. I think Liriano had an ERA of like one or something vs the Cubs...skews his numbers a bit.

 

[chibears55]

The 6 year offer from the sox have a link?

They mentioned it on hot stove.. mlb network

 

[chibears55]

I can see them forfiting the #2 pick and the cash slot. 2 & 3 it is going to shrink their total cash available a bit much. If they are going to give up a slot it would be on Martin.

I ask cause their linked to a couple QO guys..
Martin, robertson,etc..
Would be strange to see them give up a couple of early draft picks this soon

 

[CSF77]

It would be like i said what they had going into last season.. Liriano and samardzija are basically the same..

I want a TOR starter and someone who would be an upgrade over wood. ..
i want to see Arrieta 2 , Hendricks 4 , and wada 5

Not the same. They started with Shark, Wood, Jackson, Hammel, Villenueva. Arrieta started later season.

Opening day would be Arrieta, Liriano, Hammel, Wada, Hendricks.

Arrieta > Shark
Liriano > Wood
Hammel = Hammel (We hope)
Wada > Jackson (Wet bag > Jackson but I digress)
Hendricks > Villenueva.

Better but not a play off rotation.

IMO it would be stupid to give up a 2nd round pick for Liriano though.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Cubs.com confermed that Martin is on the Cubs radar. Also looks like they are looking to add 1 starter. Martin looks like that guy. 1 back up OF (thinking Jonny Gomes) Looks like they want to upgrade Ruggiano as Coglands platoon mate. Add to it 1 SP. That is open to discussion. 1 BP. But the main goal in these 4 guys is leadership.

Predicting:
Martin, Gomes, Robinson, Lester. They have been tied to Hamels but I doubt they give up 3 prospects here. At best it would be Almora, Edwards and Vogelbach. Best for the Cubs that is. He is owed 96 mil. I would rather have them spend the 50 mil and get Lester and keep the talent.

The asking price on Hamels is absurd. The reason players usually command a huge return via trade is because they are in their arbitration years on a team friendly contract. I'm sorry but trading multiple top 20 prospects in all of baseball is not worth the right to pay Hamels nearly $100 million over the next few years. If he were an FA I'd have him as my #2 behind Lester.

Cubs need a top tier option, and a 2nd tier. Liriano could be the best #2 option out there. I would not mind Hammel however, and he also has no qualifying offer tied to him.

The price is high because he's a below market value pitcher with 4 years left and at most five if he makes a trading club pick up his option.p. If the Yankees stay out of the TOR market it makes Hamels' deal less valuable. I don't think t they get three top prospects for him in any case.