2015 Cubs Offseason Discussion

[chibears55]

Nah, that's what Philly thinks they can get for Hamels and it's unrealistic even there. Understand the asking though. Zimmerman is a rental even if you consider the Cubs can extend him. If they deal him they won't get nearly that. Still this rumor smelled like bs from minute one. First word leaks that Boston has made an offer to Lester and then Gordon Wittenmeyer, he of the Sun Times weird Cubs agenda, reports this. Then it gets shot down by every single other Cubs reporter. The Cubs played this jamoke to light a fire under Lester. Kind of brilliant actually.

Why do you keep saying 1 year rental ?

If the talks were true, Cubs arent going to deal away prospects unless Zimmerman agrees to an extension.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Why do you keep saying 1 year rental ?

If the talks were true, Cubs arent going to deal away prospects unless Zimmerman agrees to an extension.

Because he's a rental from their end. Any talks about his extension would be independent of the deal. So yeah that stipulation raises his value over a typical rental but because the Cubs would have to overpay still tempers the price Washington could ask. Hamels by contrast, while not worth three top prospects, is signed to an unde market deal even if he demands the new team picks up the fifth year. If you told me that Philly asked for Baez, Castro and Edwards I'd understand their side but for Zimmerman that's crazy talk given the overpayment for the extension.

 

[chibears55]

Because he's a rental from their end. Any talks about his extension would be independent of the deal. So yeah that stipulation raises his value over a typical rental but because the Cubs would have to overpay still tempers the price Washington could ask. Hamels by contrast, while not worth three top prospects, is signed to an unde market deal even if he demands the new team picks up the fifth year. If you told me that Philly asked for Baez, Castro and Edwards I'd understand their side but for Zimmerman that's crazy talk given the overpayment for the extension.

Not really. . There is no deal agreed upon with the Nats unless Zimmerman agrees to an extension first..

The Cubs and Nats could agree on players but there no deal unless Zimmerman agrees to extend. ..

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Of course but that extension is almost necessarily going to be an overpay. That decreases the value.

 

[chibears55]

Of course but that extension is almost necessarily going to be an overpay. That decreases the value.

If this deal were to go..
What the cubs agree to pay Zimmerman in an extension, has no bearing on what the nats and cubs agree on player wise..
their 2 separate situations, except the cubs would want a commitment from Zimmerman before agreeing with nats...

 

[JZsportsfan]

But whether or not the Cubs agree to an extension with Zimmerman shouldn't impact his value on the trade market. It sounds like he's not extending with the Nats so ,the Cubs have a shot at him in a year. With all the TOR guys available this year and next the Cubs can certainly wait. Ideally get 1 this year, and we will be fine

 

[Boobaby1]

But whether or not the Cubs agree to an extension with Zimmerman shouldn't impact his value on the trade market. It sounds like he's not extending with the Nats so ,the Cubs have a shot at him in a year. With all the TOR guys available this year and next the Cubs can certainly wait. Ideally get 1 this year, and we will be fine

Unless the Nats went heavy after another pitcher of Zimmerman's caliber, why would they take one of the better pitchers off of a very formidable playoff team? It isn't as if they have to rebuild now. The window may be getting smaller, but they are still in their prime championship team years.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I thought the Zimmerman rumors were squashed

 

[brett05]

Rentals are not one year players

 

[CSF77]

Sounds like the Cubs are not in on Robinson but are meeting with Lester.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/central-links-reds-cubs-avila-tigers-tomas-butler.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/six-teams-showing-legitimate-interest-in-jon-lester.html

 

[TC in Mississippi]

But whether or not the Cubs agree to an extension with Zimmerman shouldn't impact his value on the trade market. It sounds like he's not extending with the Nats so ,the Cubs have a shot at him in a year. With all the TOR guys available this year and next the Cubs can certainly wait. Ideally get 1 this year, and we will be fine

Of course it does. Even though this deal is moot I'll explain. If Zimmerman were to take an extension before the 2016 market is set he would want a significant overpay to cover the expected market increase, I would say if the expected the market increase for TOR pitchers is 7% for next year his agent would ask for at least 10% over this year's market to cover. So if Scherzer got $30 per and Lester got $27 per add 10% to that average and you'd figure Zimmerman's team would ask for $31.3 mil per on an extension. If in that scenario the Cubs would have to overpay by that much the price in players they would be willing to give would be that much less. Pretty simple business actually and it's every possible no one in that scenario would do the deal.

 

[chibears55]

Of course it does. Even though this deal is moot I'll explain. If Zimmerman were to take an extension before the 2016 market is set he would want a significant overpay to cover the expected market increase, I would say if the expected the market increase for TOR pitchers is 7% for next year his agent would ask for at least 10% over this year's market to cover. So if Scherzer got $30 per and Lester got $27 per add 10% to that average and you'd figure Zimmerman's team would ask for $31.3 mil per on an extension. If in that scenario the Cubs would have to overpay by that much the price in players they would be willing to give would be that much less. Pretty simple business actually and it's every possible no one in that scenario would do the deal.

Huh ???????? I just entered the twilight zone

 

[JZsportsfan]

Marlins offering Stanton a 10/$300 M contract. Their payroll last season was $44 M lol

 

[chibears55]

Marlins offering Stanton a 10/$300 M contract. Their payroll last season was $44 M lol

Is this the year they sign everyone again and then trade them all

 

[Boobaby1]

Marlins offering Stanton a 10/$300 M contract. Their payroll last season was $44 M lol

If they get even close to that, he will be one rich, miserable SOB because they will have NOTHING to put around him.

He'd be better off going to free agency when the time comes, make nearly the same amount and be on a competitor.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Marlins offering Stanton a 10/$300 M contract. Their payroll last season was $44 M lol

I don't care how much it is, if I'm his agent I don't let him sign that deal. Basically kills his brand going into his prime years. He'll make a lot of money playing baseball and next to nothing in endorsement. He needs to play in a major market or at least a major baseball town.

 

[brett05]

I don't care how much it is, if I'm his agent I don't let him sign that deal. Basically kills his brand going into his prime years. He'll make a lot of money playing baseball and next to nothing in endorsement. He needs to play in a major market or at least a major baseball town.

In 99.9% of the cases, baseball players don't get a lot of money in endorsements.

$300 million is $300 million.

I'll step up and be honest.

$300 million today without any risks involved means I never play say on a playoff team or maybe even a .500 team. Sign me up. There is a price where winning doesn't matter at all. $300 million is certainly a number above that price.

Anyone else want to be honest?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

In 99.9% of the cases, baseball players don't get a lot of money in endorsements.

$300 million is $300 million.

I'll step up and be honest.

$300 million today without any risks involved means I never play say on a playoff team or maybe even a .500 team. Sign me up. There is a price where winning doesn't matter at all. $300 million is certainly a number above that price.

Anyone else want to be honest?

I understand and personally I would agree but neither you or I are generational talents in pro sports. There is ego involved as well and here's a kid that has dreamed about playing in the bigs since he was a child. If I'm his agent or advisors I appeal to that. I also disagree on the endorsements. The best if the best do make huge money as endorsers and don't discount appearances. Derek Jeter is said to be asking $500K to speak for thirty minutes. If I'm Stanton that's who I want to be. I agree that there is price but I'm not sure the $30 mil for 10 years reaches it. At least not for a 24 year old, but he'll what do I know?

 

[brett05]

I understand and personally I would agree but neither you or I are generational talents in pro sports. There is ego involved as well and here's a kid that has dreamed about playing in the bigs since he was a child. If I'm his agent or advisors I appeal to that. I also disagree on the endorsements. The best if the best do make huge money as endorsers and don't discount appearances. Derek Jeter is said to be asking $500K to speak for thirty minutes. If I'm Stanton that's who I want to be. I agree that there is price but I'm not sure the $30 mil for 10 years reaches it. At least not for a 24 year old, but he'll what do I know?

Derek Jeter is a once in a lifetime endorsement guy in baseball. Baseball players all want to be Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds (minus the roids). Only two (Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds) have ever come remotely close. Stanton knows he'll never, ever be that guy. There are maybe two guys now in all of baseball that might be marketable in the 50-75% range of a Jeter...Posey and Trout.

But I don't know either.

 

[CSF77]

12 years 320 mil. It should also cover his 2 years of Arb left...

FRIDAY: Stanton and the Marlins have been discussing an extension in the 12-year, $320MM range, tweets Rosenthal.

Stanton could earn something in the $35MM range for his final two years of arbitration, even without the extension, so it seems that his free agent years are being valued under $30MM per season if those exact numbers hold.