2015 Spring Training Thread

[Parade_Rain]

No, what you discuss is provable evidence. What I am saying is you and Bear Pride are romanticizing the accuracy of Hendricks.

LOL. The only way a pitcher of his velocity can do what he does is have late movement on his pitches, change speeds and hit his spots (accuracy). 5.27 k/9, 1.68 BB/9 with a 2.46 ERA, 14.6% K, 4.7% BB, 10.0% K-BB. 1.08 WHIP. OTOH, in Maddux' first action with the Cubs, he had 5.81 k/9, 3.19 BB/9 with a 5.52 ERA, 13.9% K, 7.6% BB, 6.3% K-BB and a 1.77 WHIP.

You can keep posting up, but the data tells me you're full of crap and I am done with this conversation.

 

[brett05]

LOL. The only way a pitcher of his velocity can do what he does is have late movement on his pitches, change speeds and hit his spots (accuracy). 5.27 k/9, 1.68 BB/9 with a 2.46 ERA, 14.6% K, 4.7% BB, 10.0% K-BB. 1.08 WHIP. OTOH, in Maddux' first action with the Cubs, he had 5.81 k/9, 3.19 BB/9 with a 5.52 ERA, 13.9% K, 7.6% BB, 6.3% K-BB and a 1.77 WHIP.

You can keep posting up, but the data tells me you're full of crap and I am done with this conversation.

Way to cherry pick. YOU want to say he reminds you of a first year Maddux, have at it. That was never said and you know it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Way to cherry pick. YOU want to say he reminds you of a first year Maddux, have at it. That was never said and you know it.

Not cherry picking at all. You said I was romanticizing his accuracy. The stats proved that you're full of something.

 

[brett05]

Not cherry picking at all. You said I was romanticizing his accuracy. The stats proved that you're full of piss and wind.

No, you decided to change the information of the statement, but hey whatever gets you thru on this. Personally if I were you I'd take the easy route and admit the truth that you were wrong, but like I said it's your boat. I'm done speaking with you on this.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You should have been done speaking on the subject before you opened your mouth about Hendricks not being accurate. He couldn't have had the success he had last fall if he wasn't accurate.

 

[beckdawg]

FWIW, Hendricks entire minor league was a 1.6 BB/9 in 452.1 IP. So, his 1.68 in 80.1 MLB innings isn't all that shocking. In terms of the league, 11 pitchers last season had less than 1.7 BB/9 and those are Phil Hughes, Hisashi Iwakuma, Jordan Zimmerman, Doug Fister, Bartolo Colon, David Price, Clayton Kershaw, Brandon McCarthy, Hiroki Kuroda, Henderson Alvarez, and Tim Hudson.

Honestly, I'd rather prefer we stop using the Maddux comps and instead use Hiroki Kuroda and Doug Fister. If Hendricks is either player the Dempster trade was flat out a steal. If he's anymore than it will look to be one of the worst trades in recent memory. Kuroda and Fister aren't sexy pitchers but they're about as effective as it gets. Kuroda came over at 33 and proceed to put up 3.3, 2.1, 4.1, 2.2, 3.7, 3.8, and 3.5 for a total of 22.6 fWAR from 33-39. That should have been the "down side" of his career. Fister has put up 2.6, 5.2, 3.5, 4.5, and 1.3 from 26-30 for a total of 17.2 fWAR. Just as a reference point, the vaunted David Price has put up 24.7 fWAR from 23-28. That was 5 seasons for Fister, 6 for Price and 7 for Kuroda. So you're looking at 3.44 per season for Fister, 4.11 for Price and 3.23 for Kuroda.

 

[SilenceS]

Hendricks is a smart guy and evidently a great golfer that doesnt care for golf. lol He is very smart and has to be completely meticulous in his pitching. He almost has to be perfect with his control. He wont get away with mistakes. If they shrink the strike zone, it would affect him tremendously. I will never compare him to Maddux because Maddux is one of GOAT and that comparison is in no way fair. Also, Maddux had much better stuff. I think people forget about Maddux in his prime. He would hit 94 with a ton of movement. He had good stuff with a better brain. I mean he allowed 71 walks over 684.4 IP in a three year span. 20 of which was IBB. That is fucking insane.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

How many TORs do you know of have his velocity? What was the average velocity in the league when Maddux was in his prime? Answer: Much less. Would Maddux be a TOR today? The zone called is different. I've had ups and downs with Beer Pride, but what Bear Pride is saying isn't that Hendricks is "the next" Maddux. The point is the kid doesn't have big velocity, but pitches smart and hits his spots. That's the comparison. It isn't a numbers thing and it isn't a prediction on a career. I'm a libertarian on this kind of thing. It isn't harming anyone that Hendricks reminds Bear Pride and others of Maddux.

Fair enough. All I was really stating was that I don't like to compare ballplayers, particularly when it's to the HoF variety. I agree there are comparisons that could be made I just personally don't go there. Of the comparison aren't harming anyone and I'm not trying to either. Live and let live.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Hendricks is a smart guy and evidently a great golfer that doesnt care for golf. lol He is very smart and has to be completely meticulous in his pitching. He almost has to be perfect with his control. He wont get away with mistakes. If they shrink the strike zone, it would affect him tremendously. I will never compare him to Maddux because Maddux is one of GOAT and that comparison is in no way fair. Also, Maddux had much better stuff. I think people forget about Maddux in his prime. He would hit 94 with a ton of movement. He had good stuff with a better brain. I mean he allowed 71 walks over 684.4 IP in a three year span. 20 of which was IBB. That is fucking insane.

Hendricks is a smart guy? He is a Dartmouth grad. That's like saying water is wet.

 

[CSF77]

As a pitcher Maddux had near perfect control of his fastball. It was all about movement and location. I don't know how many times I saw him start a fastball up near a lefties chin and it ended up over the plate.

Hendricks is more of a change up pitcher. If he can gain that fastball movement and control then he may get into the discussion.

 

[justaChifan]

2015 Spring Training Thread?
I want the Cubs to win. It's the last team on my Chicago sports team winner bucket list.
My bucket is deeper than most on here.
It is so sad and pathetic that message board CUB fans completely ignore the fact that a game was even played today and that the Cubs, unfortunately, layed an egg.
It's not the end of the world. Don't whistle through the graveyard.

 

[Parade_Rain]

2015 Spring Training Thread?
I want the Cubs to win. It's the last team on my Chicago sports team winner bucket list.
My bucket is deeper than most on here.
It is so sad and pathetic that message board CUB fans completely ignore the fact that a game was even played today and that the Cubs, unfortunately, layed an egg.
It's not the end of the world. Don't whistle through the graveyard.

You do know the game today doesn't count, right?

 

[justaChifan]

You do know the game today doesn't count, right?

Yes, yes I do. But it is sad that message board Cub fans only want to post the good news. Is that not true?

 

[justaChifan]

It's a spring training thread. Good with the bad is more topical. Lets wait a bit to compare Hendricks with Maddux.

 

[SilenceS]

You dont have to read the thread if your still being whiny on what posters talk about.

 

[beckdawg]

Yes, yes I do. But it is sad that message board Cub fans only want to post the good news. Is that not true?

Let me get this straight... in a sport defined by the fact that each game is 1 of 162 meaning that individual outcomes of games matter less than most sports you want the board to be tore up not by losing a regular season game but instead by a spring training game in which their starting CF didn't play, their all-star 1B didn't play, their starting catcher didn't play, and arguably neither of the two probably starting 2B didn't play(Baez/LaStella)? If you want to live and die by the outcome of individual game then to each their own I suppose but expecting others be bent out of shape over a meaningless game in which half their starting line up didn't play in is a bit much.

If the cubs get swept by the cards to start the season then I'll show some concern. Until that point I'll leave it up to allen iverson....

[video=youtube;eGDBR2L5kzI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI[/video]

 

[justaChifan]

It's a Cubs 2015 Spring Training Thread.
Kyle Hendricks will probably be better than Greg Maddux.
Is that better? I don't want to piss off all the message board Cub fans on this board.

 

[Bear Pride]

2015 Spring Training Thread?
I want the Cubs to win. It's the last team on my Chicago sports team winner bucket list.
My bucket is deeper than most on here.
It is so sad and pathetic that message board CUB fans completely ignore the fact that a game was even played today and that the Cubs, unfortunately, layed an egg.
It's not the end of the world. Don't whistle through the graveyard.

Ya know for a guy that claims to be a fan of both teams, you sure do take a lot of shots at the Cubs and Cubs fans. And if you were the least bit aware, you'd notice that no one is talking about the game cuz the local Sox Troll is busy shitting all over the Cubs ST thread.

It makes it NOT fun to be here. Not only does the Sox forum suck badly, but the Sox troll idiot makes the Cubs forum suck as well. Take you fuckin Cub fan bashing somewhere else Pal! You ain't fooling me.

 

[Bear Pride]

Yes, yes I do. But it is sad that message board Cub fans only want to post the good news. Is that not true?

You say that like the idiot Sox trolls don't bring up all the negative shit. You're joking with this shit, right? All Cubs fans do all the time is respond to the negative shit that you Sox trolls put up here, and you complain when we want to actually talk about something positive for a change? You're just another troll.

I don't know why the Cubs Mods entertain these fuckin idiots. Maybe they should try to actually post in their forum so they'd have more than 14 posts in their ST thread. Bunch of losers!

 

[justaChifan]

Let me get this straight... in a sport defined by the fact that each game is 1 of 162 meaning that individual outcomes of games matter less than most sports you want the board to be tore up not by losing a regular season game but instead by a spring training game in which their starting CF didn't play, their all-star 1B didn't play, their starting catcher didn't play, and arguably neither of the two probably starting 2B didn't play(Baez/LaStella)? If you want to live and die by the outcome of individual game then to each their own I suppose but expecting others be bent out of shape over a meaningless game in which half their starting line up didn't play in is a bit much.

If the cubs get swept by the cards to start the season then I'll show some concern. Until that point I'll leave it up to allen iverson....

[video=youtube;eGDBR2L5kzI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI[/video]

No Beck,
But you of all people can analyze a game gone bad and tell people why it happened.
That's not a slam.
You are the most thorough message board Cub fan I've ever seen.