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If Cashman has been paying attention to the recent Cubs games he knows that we need what he has got. He needs one of our SS so expect him to ask for Baez or Russell or Schwarber and additional players

He is just not going to take the triple A talent that is blocked and we would love to trade

Cashman can ask for whatever he wants, but if he wants a SS it is probably no one off of the MLB roster. Torres would be a great grab.
 

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If Cashman has been paying attention to the recent Cubs games he knows that we need what he has got. He needs one of our SS so expect him to ask for Baez or Russell or Schwarber and additional players

He is just not going to take the triple A talent that is blocked and we would love to trade

Cubs arent giving up any of them. Not for a reliever
 

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Cashman can ask for whatever he wants, but if he wants a SS it is probably no one off of the MLB roster. Torres would be a great grab.
Then if I'm Cashman I say "no Miller"
 

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Then if I'm Cashman I say "no Miller"

I doubt it. Relief pitchers just aren't as valuable as you are thinking. Only elite closers pull in sizeable halls and Torres is a solid spec for a guy like Miller.
 

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Cashman can ask for whatever he wants, but if he wants a SS it is probably no one off of the MLB roster. Torres would be a great grab.

I don't think Torres will be enough for Cashman, but SS is definitely what they're after. It'll be interesting to see if the Giants part with Christian Arroyo, who the Yankees are said to covet, for Miller.
 

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I don't think Torres will be enough for Cashman, but SS is definitely what they're after. It'll be interesting to see if the Giants part with Christian Arroyo, who the Yankees are said to covet, for Miller.

It may not, but the point is that the probably without nary an exception, the 25 man roster of the Cubs will not be traded for a rental piece. The remaining specs that the team has (Vogelbach, Torres, Happ, Cease, etc) are available for that purpose. That handles the immediate without sacrificing the long term.
 

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It may not, but the point is that the probably without nary an exception, the 25 man roster of the Cubs will not be traded for a rental piece. The remaining specs that the team has (Vogelbach, Torres, Happ, Cease, etc) are available for that purpose. That handles the immediate without sacrificing the long term.

I completely agree. I think Torres is fair value for Miller myself but the rumors are Cashman wants much more. I'd love Miller but I don't think they need him.
 

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I doubt it. Relief pitchers just aren't as valuable as you are thinking. Only elite closers pull in sizeable halls and Torres is a solid spec for a guy like Miller.
Except that Cashman knows Theo is desperate to find the last piece or two. The Yankees have the leverage here. They also desperately need a SS and we have 2

Chapman doesnt fit into the team culture

I'm betting nothing gets done with the Yankees
 

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Except that Cashman knows Theo is desperate to find the last piece or two. The Yankees have the leverage here. They also desperately need a SS and we have 2

Chapman doesnt fit into the team culture

I'm betting nothing gets done with the Yankees

Would you trade Baez for Miller?
 

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Not a chance. You're talking a high ceiling, cost controlled young player that can play virtually every position on the field, is improving at the plate, has elite bat speed and shows baseball instincts you don't see often. The only time you even consider trading a guy like that is if someone is offering a TOR starting pitcher, certainly not for a relief pitcher with 2.5 years left on a deal paying him $9 mil AAV. Ken Rosenthal addressed it here:

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/c...-player-062016
 

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Except that Cashman knows Theo is desperate to find the last piece or two. The Yankees have the leverage here. They also desperately need a SS and we have 2

Chapman doesnt fit into the team culture

I'm betting nothing gets done with the Yankees

Cashman really has zero leverage. Miller is nice but not rare.
 

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Cashman really has zero leverage. Miller is nice but not rare.

Yeah I don't see the leverage either. Miller will have $18 mil left on his contract after this year and the asking price is a team's top prospect or an MLB player. Theo has plenty of options. Sean Doolittle will cost less and Fernando Abad will cost a lot less. I'd bet on one of those two guys coming to Chicago.
 

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Would you trade Baez for Miller?
I wouldnt. I dont believe any of the top receivers are coming here. I think Theo picks up a "guy" and trades one of the expendables in the minors

BTW, every day I like Baez more and more. I just dont like his crazy ass swing
 

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I wouldnt. I dont believe any of the top receivers are coming here. I think Theo picks up a "guy" and trades one of the expendables in the minors

BTW, every day I like Baez more and more. I just dont like his crazy ass swing

Its a lot calmer than it use to be.
 

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I wouldnt. I dont believe any of the top receivers are coming here. I think Theo picks up a "guy" and trades one of the expendables in the minors

BTW, every day I like Baez more and more. I just dont like his crazy ass swing

Hey the guy makes contact and when he does the ball flies out of the yard. Its not pretty but its damn effective...
 

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Cashman and the Yankee's dont sell often and they may not even sell this year. Cashman doesnt just give up people. I think Chapman is the only real option. They want way to much for Miller.

Im fine with Chapman. Cashman would be an idiot not to trade him seeing as he's going to lose him as a FA at the end of the year. We really need a lefty setup man because Richards is a joke. Every time the guy comes in he gives up runs. Its like clockwork. Why do you think Maddon hardly ever uses him except when we have a big lead?
 

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All I will say about this is that most people thought the Brock/Broglio trade was a good one at the time. No one was bitching when it happened

Really? Wow. How long did it take people to wake up? Im not trying to bait you. Im really curious about this. What was the thinking? I wasn't alive during the trade and only know it turned out to be the biggest blunder ever. I think we got redemption when we traded Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Pedro Strop and Jake Arrieta!!!
 

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You found a way to cram every conceivable cliche into that post

Soler has a very low ceiling and .245/17/65 potential doesnt justify a corner OF position on any serious team

Agreed but you don't think Cashman would take Soler for Miler and Chapman straight up? I think the guy has a ton of potential and could very well be a 35 HR 100 RBI guy some day...But potential doesn't really mean jack shit unless its realized. He has killed many rallies true but the guy was unreal in the NLDS last year...
 

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Really? Wow. How long did it take people to wake up? Im not trying to bait you. Im really curious about this. What was the thinking? I wasn't alive during the trade and only know it turned out to be the biggest blunder ever. I think we got redemption when we traded Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Pedro Strop and Jake Arrieta!!!
When the trade was made the general consensus was that the Cubs fleeced the Cardinals

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?id=6053505
 

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Really? Wow. How long did it take people to wake up? Im not trying to bait you. Im really curious about this. What was the thinking? I wasn't alive during the trade and only know it turned out to be the biggest blunder ever. I think we got redemption when we traded Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Pedro Strop and Jake Arrieta!!!

Broglio had 3 good years in St. Louis prior to the trade and was considered one of the best pitchers in the league. Brock was considered a poor defender with questionable hitting skills. It was certainly considered a good trade at the time.
 

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