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Brad Ziegler on his way to the cubs ?

Cubs pulled a prospect from a game today..

We'll see, i hope not

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Brad Ziegler on his way to the cubs ?

Cubs pulled a prospect from a game today..

We'll see, i hope not

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His SO/9 are pretty bad historically.
 

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His SO/9 are pretty bad historically.
Yea..
Twitter chatter thinks there might be a connection with Cubs player pulled and him..

Id rather see the cubs get someone much better then him

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I agree...

Which is why next year i can see them going with Darvish and Lester at the top, and maybe Hamels if he has success and because it his final year.
Then because there noone ready in their system to step in now, they will make deals to bring in young arms ..

I just dont see management bringing back the same SP and offense..

Maddon (final year) and coaching staff may get a hard look too..
Epstein has 3 yrs left on his deal, so if he not considering an extension for Maddon after next season then it would probably be best to bring in his new guy for 2019 and get at least a 3 yr deal for him over just 2 yrs.







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Let’s say they trade Hendricks and Q then pack up Chatwood and Happ for a 4th starter with Smyly filling the last spot.

Hendricks should get back a solid return by himself. Q the same. I would use them to gain pitching depth at the upper levels that are 2 inning guys but with control. So AAA arms or guys pre Arb that are missing a opertunity. Main thing I would be looking at is pitichability and velocity.

They are pretty good at identifying players of this ilk. They just need more trade weight to get back higher valued returns. Mills and Butler cost nothing. Montgomery cost more and gave back a higher return. Feldman was a hot item and got back Strop and Arrieta. 2 guys in a rut but fixable.

I believe that they do need to get back into this mode again vs playing the game they are.
 

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Let’s say they trade Hendricks and Q then pack up Chatwood and Happ for a 4th starter with Smyly filling the last spot.

You realize how nonsensical this comment is right? Smyly isn't even making rehab starts yet. You don't make trades assuming guys returning from injuries will come back with no issues. Theo basically said as much with regard to why you go after someone like Hamels. You prepare for the worst case even if it doesn't happen.
 

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You realize how nonsensical this comment is right? Smyly isn't even making rehab starts yet. You don't make trades assuming guys returning from injuries will come back with no issues. Theo basically said as much with regard to why you go after someone like Hamels. You prepare for the worst case even if it doesn't happen.

It's just a UCL, brah.
 

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Keep thinking about the glutton of middle infielders the cubs have and ultimately how they solve this. As we have seen with Bote's ascendence, the cubs have even more depth there than we thought going in and going in we thought they were overwhelmingly deep at 2B. I'm not entirely sure what I would do. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't move Russell personally. He's too good defensively at SS and I think he's really close to an offensive break out. He fixed the k rate issues that plagued him the past 3 years but in so doing lost some of his power. If and when he finds that he could have a monster year.

That sorta means you're making the choice between Baez and Happ. I find Baez polarizing because on the one hand the stats tell me he's probably not this good but on the other there's so many little things he does that don't really show up in stats. Happ on the other hand looks like he could be a monster bat if he ever fixes his k rate issue. Bote emerging does present some interesting possibilities though because he largely can play the role Happ currently occupies.
 

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I think the funniest part of all this is all the fans feeling that they knew who this guy was.

I mean Giambrone wasn't a completely unknown guy. He's not likely to be a great prospect but he will likely make the majors most likely as a bench guy.
 

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2 things i think we can pretty much expect as we get into August..

Darvish wont pitch, if he does until September and we probably shouldn't count on him as a SP in the playoffs...

Morrow wont be available to pitch until end of August or September as it looks now, rehab etc. will take a couple weeks after he starts throwing again.

So, my guess is the rotation is going to stay the same, Monty sticks til at least September..

I think the Cubs will definitely look to add another back end reliever who can close out games if needed or at the very least be a reliable setup as a Strop Chisek replacement type as those guys will close til Morrow returns ..

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Keep thinking about the glutton of middle infielders the cubs have and ultimately how they solve this. As we have seen with Bote's ascendence, the cubs have even more depth there than we thought going in and going in we thought they were overwhelmingly deep at 2B. I'm not entirely sure what I would do. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't move Russell personally. He's too good defensively at SS and I think he's really close to an offensive break out. He fixed the k rate issues that plagued him the past 3 years but in so doing lost some of his power. If and when he finds that he could have a monster year.

That sorta means you're making the choice between Baez and Happ. I find Baez polarizing because on the one hand the stats tell me he's probably not this good but on the other there's so many little things he does that don't really show up in stats. Happ on the other hand looks like he could be a monster bat if he ever fixes his k rate issue. Bote emerging does present some interesting possibilities though because he largely can play the role Happ currently occupies.
If they make this move...

I just dont see them moving Baez..

If a move is made, outside of prospects..
i have to think the choices from the main roster would be from..
Happ Russell Bote Caratini
Montgomery Chatwood

I just think Baez for this year team has been the biggest reason why their where their at in the standings..
Offensively defensively baserunning intangibles he brings to the team, he basically the heart and their not trading that away now.

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You realize how nonsensical this comment is right? Smyly isn't even making rehab starts yet. You don't make trades assuming guys returning from injuries will come back with no issues. Theo basically said as much with regard to why you go after someone like Hamels. You prepare for the worst case even if it doesn't happen.

Every return is diffrent for sure but....Steel came back under a year and didn’t miss a beat. Just saying.

1 year to never being the same guy is the range. I normally expect 18 months to pitch again then a full season to get 100%. That is normal.

Brady Aken was a extreme where the Astros renigged due to his tendon being a risk going in. The injury was foreseen. And his poor recovery is bot a shock with the factors involved. Theo was smart passing on him.
 

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If they make this move...

I just dont see them moving Baez..

If a move is made, outside of prospects..
i have to think the choices from the main roster would be from..
Happ Russell Bote Caratini
Montgomery Chatwood

I just think Baez for this year team has been the biggest reason why their where their at in the standings..
Offensively defensively baserunning intangibles he brings to the team, he basically the heart and their not trading that away now.

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I just don’t see any trade weight in Chatwood as is and Happ’s is a mix bag. Teams are looking at a high SO rate from a slash type right now. They are not looking at his wRC+. That is what is keeping him in the majors vs a center piece.

So I kinda feel if you packed them both together now you are getting trash back.

Now if Chatwood corrects himself this year and Happ continues his progress then the offseason becomes to right time to deal.

I still think that you trade those 2 with Hendricks and Q and load up the upper system. The next wave of pitching is near and it is time to stack the deck.
 

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Who brought up trading Baez again? Holy deja vu all over again, batman. Baez is not going anywhere.
 

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I mean Giambrone wasn't a completely unknown guy. He's not likely to be a great prospect but he will likely make the majors most likely as a bench guy.

no, but the hurricane that is twitter sure had a ton of people thinking we were getting a big haul. The best description I have heard was this guy was a 26th round pick who is now the (on some rankings) #19 prospect in the system.
 

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I just don’t see any trade weight in Chatwood as is and Happ’s is a mix bag. Teams are looking at a high SO rate from a slash type right now. They are not looking at his wRC+. That is what is keeping him in the majors vs a center piece.

So I kinda feel if you packed them both together now you are getting trash back.

Now if Chatwood corrects himself this year and Happ continues his progress then the offseason becomes to right time to deal.

I still think that you trade those 2 with Hendricks and Q and load up the upper system. The next wave of pitching is near and it is time to stack the deck.
I didn't say Chatwood would be in an offer..

I was simply saying, of the current roster, the names i listed would be the only ones i believe the cubs would offer up as choices in any trade today or tomorrow ...



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