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Hard to see them moving Baez given how patient they've been with his development. You're moving him at peak value, but for what? I don't see a commensurate return out there, and as baseball-y as this sounds, Baez is the kind of limelight guy who wins you games in the playoffs.
 

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I didn't say Chatwood would be in an offer..

I was simply saying, of the current roster, the names i listed would be the only ones i believe the cubs would offer up as choices in any trade today or tomorrow ...



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I think that he is a good trade chip with his command back. I’m not a fan of him at all but that said if he can get his fastball to go to the expected spot then he is filthy.
 

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Who brought up trading Baez again? Holy deja vu all over again, batman. Baez is not going anywhere.

Me I guess? IDK I wasn't specifically suggesting they trade Baez. I was just musing out loud I'm not sure what the best way to look at the cubs MI is. I think Almora in CF plus Heyward maybe moving there some if you go after a Harper or Machado(Bryant some to RF) works enough that Happ being a long term CF doesn't make sense to me. In LF you could argue him vs Schwarber but if you're moving one of the two Happ probably has more value to more teams. And as for SS/2B, I personally wouldn't move Russell as mentioned.

That's where this started in my mind. It wasn't a case of trade baez cuz he's bad or w/e. Just think you could make a case that Happ's bat is compelling enough to warrant a debate of him or Baez. Clearly you seem to take Baez in that and honestly you might be right. And from traditional stats you'd probably say there isn't even much of a debate. But having dug a bit deeper on Happ there's enough that's interesting to make me wonder. If I had to give an answer today I'd probably choose to move happ + stuff.

Regardless, the only reason this is coming up is the potential for a big trade. If the right trade isn't out there then it doesn't really matter until the offseason. But with Bote playing this well and already being so deep with Zobrist and La Stella, I feel like sooner or later something is going to happen.
 

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In other news, Astros traded for Roberto Osuna giving up Giles. I mentioned this previously but I'm curious what Giles would cost. Seems like Toronto was selling low on Osuna given his domestic violence issues. Maybe they want to keep giles but if you're selling and obviously they are selling they seem like a team who would listen.
 

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Hearing that big trade that the cubs may be looking into for another controllable SP, is Archer..

Be nice if this is the case if they could get Alverado in the deal too

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Hearing that big trade that the cubs may be looking into for another controllable SP, is Archer..

Be nice if this is the case if they could get Alverado in the deal too

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Ive heard Padres. They are gearing to the next phase and need a staff leader. Argueably best farm in baseball.

I don’t see the Cubs competing.
 

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Ive heard Padres. They are gearing to the next phase and need a staff leader. Argueably best farm in baseball.

I don’t see the Cubs competing.
Padres been in the team interested fir a few weeks now...
If they were that interested, im sure they would of pulled the trigger on him by now ..

Who knows, now is when we hear of multiple teams and that unknown team for guys so that the price gets raised..

I just want to see the cubs add another strong bullpen arm and ill be happy

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I think that he is a good trade chip with his command back. I’m not a fan of him at all but that said if he can get his fastball to go to the expected spot then he is filthy.

If he ever stops walking people, I want him to stay.
 

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Hearing that big trade that the cubs may be looking into for another controllable SP, is Archer..

Be nice if this is the case if they could get Alverado in the deal too

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The Cubs are thought to not be in on Archr because they don't have enough to give up. You think the Rays are adding to the haul?
 

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The Cubs are thought to not be in on Archr because they don't have enough to give up. You think the Rays are adding to the haul?
Just heard that the cubs may still be looking to add another SP and Archer name came up..
I personally dont think theyll add another SP unless they want Montgomery back in the pen sooner rather then later..

I do think they plan on adding another bullpen arm, as Morrow is probably still 3 plus weeks away from returning..
He yet to pick up a ball and when he does, he going to need at least 2 weeks of rehab and a few games in minors before he returns to the cubs.

Not saying they need a closer but they do need someone who can come in late and can close...

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Me I guess? IDK I wasn't specifically suggesting they trade Baez. I was just musing out loud I'm not sure what the best way to look at the cubs MI is. I think Almora in CF plus Heyward maybe moving there some if you go after a Harper or Machado(Bryant some to RF) works enough that Happ being a long term CF doesn't make sense to me. In LF you could argue him vs Schwarber but if you're moving one of the two Happ probably has more value to more teams. And as for SS/2B, I personally wouldn't move Russell as mentioned.

That's where this started in my mind. It wasn't a case of trade baez cuz he's bad or w/e. Just think you could make a case that Happ's bat is compelling enough to warrant a debate of him or Baez. Clearly you seem to take Baez in that and honestly you might be right. And from traditional stats you'd probably say there isn't even much of a debate. But having dug a bit deeper on Happ there's enough that's interesting to make me wonder. If I had to give an answer today I'd probably choose to move happ + stuff.

Regardless, the only reason this is coming up is the potential for a big trade. If the right trade isn't out there then it doesn't really matter until the offseason. But with Bote playing this well and already being so deep with Zobrist and La Stella, I feel like sooner or later something is going to happen.
I love Happ. Happ doesn't steal home like Baez. Baez has some intangibles that are hard to find in most MLBers. Russell gets traded before Baez. Happ's value is in being SH who can play a variety of spots. If we are looking at the Cubs going after a SP from a AL team, Schwarber would likely be part of that discussion.
 

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Nats have made Harper available. Going to be one hell of a trade deadline
 

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I love Happ. Happ doesn't steal home like Baez. Baez has some intangibles that are hard to find in most MLBers. Russell gets traded before Baez. Happ's value is in being SH who can play a variety of spots. If we are looking at the Cubs going after a SP from a AL team, Schwarber would likely be part of that discussion.

I don't want this to devolve into a long discussion but suffice to say I'm not sure I agree Russell goes before Baez. The long and short of things is essentially I think Baez is either at his peak or possibly playing slightly above it depending on how you view his analytics. With Russell, I think he has a lot more room to grow and if he finally has that break out season with his bat I think that version of Russell is more valuable than the current version of Baez. Baez is breaking out at 25. Russell is still 24. And just to be clear here, like I said if you're for keeping both I think that's a legitimate idea.

Also I doubt Schwarber gets traded rather than Happ. Simply put it's harder to trade Schwarber. Plus, I'm not really sure even if you could trade Schwarber that there is really an advantage to doing so. The obvious one or at least it seems obvious would be the question on Schwarber's defense but he's looked great in LF this year.

Having thought a bit more about it, I honestly think you just take Russell and Baez for the defense and anything more you get out of their bats is gravy. When you figure in the amount of offense especially with Almora breaking out and Heyward returning to form you don't need them to be all-star hitters though obviously Javy has been this year. And in terms of LF, I like Happ but I don't think his offensive potential is better than Schwarber. So, I'd likely still consider Happ the guy to go.
 

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Nats have made Harper available. Going to be one hell of a trade deadline

If he's traded FA gets more crazy IMO because Machado already got dealt meaning both he and Machado wouldn't require QO compensation.
 

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If he's traded FA gets more crazy IMO because Machado already got dealt meaning both he and Machado wouldn't require QO compensation.
Id be surprised if he gets dealt before the deadline tomorrow...


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Id be surprised if he gets dealt before the deadline tomorrow...


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I'd be surprised if he doesn't. If Was doesn't get something worth more than the 70th or so pick they aren't trying that hard. And it's not like they are going anywhere. Seems rather unlikely he re-signs so why wouldn't you deal him?
 

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I'd be surprised if he doesn't. If Was doesn't get something worth more than the 70th or so pick they aren't trying that hard. And it's not like they are going anywhere. Seems rather unlikely he re-signs so why wouldn't you deal him?
Just think that Nats would want a big return and with deadline tomorrow, not sure there time if there multiple teams interested to workout deals..
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I guess it makes sense as to what you said, as far as just getting something for him.. so maybe they strike a deal last minute with a best offer they have on the table..

Just thinking the cubs should just throw the Nats a bone ..
Maddon could have a blast figuring out lineups everyday with the outfielders..lol

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Just think that Nats would want a big return and with deadline tomorrow, not sure there time if there multiple teams interested to workout deals..
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I guess it makes sense as to what you said, as far as just getting something for him.. so maybe they strike a deal last minute with a best offer they have on the table..

Just thinking the cubs should just throw the Nats a bone ..
Maddon could have a blast figuring out lineups everyday with the outfielders..lol

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If I'm philly or atlanta i'm trying to make that deal. I get that in division trades are hard to work out but he's almost certainly going to hit FA and they have to know that. Both could use him. Both have decent farm systems that the nats could do well weakening
 

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If I'm philly or atlanta i'm trying to make that deal. I get that in division trades are hard to work out but he's almost certainly going to hit FA and they have to know that. Both could use him. Both have decent farm systems that the nats could do well weakening
Redsox just got Kinsler....

As a cubs fan, I hope he goes no where, and especially not to an NL team..lol
Can you imagine him in Colorado for home games..

These AL teams are all loaded, imagine him with Houston or Cleveland








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