2018 Hug watch thread..

[chibears55]

But what do we have now? Injured Yu. Old Lester. Hendricks and Q going jekyl and Hyde. Walk a thon and part timer.

And they are winning anyways.

Come on now.

Trust me, their not going to consider turning CJ Edwards into a SP to help this team win a championship..

If they were say the WhiteSox and rebuilding and have the time to experiment with someone in their rotation then yes sure go for it...



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[chibears55]

Doesn’t guarantee they get picked.

Did they drop anyone off the 25 yet?

Im hearing it Rosario which i dont get..
Duensing sucks, i dont get the need to hold onto him anymore

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[chibears55]

The real interesting call is what will the club do when they activate Morrow? One of our current 13 pitchers on the 25-man will have to get DFA'ed, I can't see any way around it. The real question is, who gets DFA'ed when Morrow comes back in the next week or so?

I dont think Morrow will be back until September, he still hasnt picked up a ball yet and when he does , he going to need 2 to 3 weeks of rehab since it been awhile since he pitched..



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[CubsFaninMN]

Im hearing it Rosario which i dont get..
Duensing sucks, i dont get the need to hold onto him anymore

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Rosario had options. Keep Rosario up and you have to DFA someone. Or put someone on the 60-day DL to make room on both the 25-man and the 40-man.

Sending Rosario down keeps the maximum number of options open. DFA Duensing and you likely lose him for good. And pay off his contract.

 

[chibears55]

Rosario had options. Keep Rosario up and you have to DFA someone. Or put someone on the 60-day DL to make room on both the 25-man and the 40-man.

Sending Rosario down keeps the maximum number of options open. DFA Duensing and you likely lose him for good. And pay off his contract.

DFA Duensing..
Zero reason to keep him around, that was the point..
The guy sucks, he worse then Justin Grimm

They made the bullpen worse by keeping him and sending Rosario down, and if im Rosario im super pissed at this move

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[CSF77]

Im hearing it Rosario which i dont get..
Duensing sucks, i dont get the need to hold onto him anymore

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I would think that is based off they are trying to push Chatwood and Duesing through wavers right now to see if a team is willing to take them on.

It has more to do with the 3.5 owed next year. They don’t want to flip that bill. They could negotiate that down in a deal just to be rid of him.

 

[chibears55]

I would think that is based off they are trying to push Chatwood and Duesing through wavers right now to see if a team is willing to take them on.

Haven't seen it reported, and i doubt anyone take Duensing off waivers..
He sucks and is useless

Their better off waiting for him to be released if they really want him that bad...

Chatwood if waived would be claimed right away by a team like the Padres who were trying to get Archer etc., looking ahead to next yr and beyond

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[CSF77]

Haven't seen it reported, and i doubt anyone take Duensing off waivers..
He sucks and is useless

Their better off waiting for him to be released if they really want him that bad...

Chatwood if waived would be claimed right away by a team like the Padres who were trying to get Archer etc., looking ahead to next yr and beyond

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Cant hurt making the attempt. Happens great. If he passed then DFA.

Both guys would be the 8th guy right now anyways.

 

[CSF77]

"He was upset, and I know he was upset," Maddon said of Rosario, who was 4-0 with a 1.97 ERA in 26 games in relief. "[The move] took him by surprise. He did a great job. I thought in Spring Training, the big thing he had to overcome was command issues, strike throwing, and he got much better during the course of the season and got us out of some tough jams. He's going to be good for a while.

"Right now, we had to do something, and guys like him, until they're out of options, pay the price of having options. When they don't have any options, they get to stay. It's just the rules of the game."

 

[chibears55]

"He was upset, and I know he was upset," Maddon said of Rosario, who was 4-0 with a 1.97 ERA in 26 games in relief. "[The move] took him by surprise. He did a great job. I thought in Spring Training, the big thing he had to overcome was command issues, strike throwing, and he got much better during the course of the season and got us out of some tough jams. He's going to be good for a while.

"Right now, we had to do something, and guys like him, until they're out of options, pay the price of having options. When they don't have any options, they get to stay. It's just the rules of the game."

Simple solution..
Dump the guy that pitching like crap..
Duensing

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[CSF77]

Simple solution..
Dump the guy that pitching like crap..
Duensing

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I don’t disagree. But you know that they will give Duesing and Chatwood opertunity.

Way I look at it is both are mop up like today. Non pressure. Just toss the ball up there vs using a needed arm.

Morrow should be due back first. He recovered fast time. Darvish is still in sims. Smyly should be in or near to rehab but his should take the longest as they are going to extend him vs rush him.

I feel Morrow should be 10 days. Darvish right now they could delay him until roster expand but I would guess 2 sims then 3 games. 2weeks tops with no hick up. Smyly I just see them pitching him until the minors close and then he pitches sept in the majors doing the same roll

Over all Morrow is the most likely one back pre deadline and every one goes DFA then. Duesing is the only choice left.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I don’t disagree. But you know that they will give Duesing and Chatwood opertunity.

Way I look at it is both are mop up like today. Non pressure. Just toss the ball up there vs using a needed arm.

Morrow should be due back first. He recovered fast time. Darvish is still in sims. Smyly should be in or near to rehab but his should take the longest as they are going to extend him vs rush him.

I feel Morrow should be 10 days. Darvish right now they could delay him until roster expand but I would guess 2 sims then 3 games. 2weeks tops with no hick up. Smyly I just see them pitching him until the minors close and then he pitches sept in the majors doing the same roll

Over all Morrow is the most likely one back pre deadline and every one goes DFA then. Duesing is the only choice left.

If Smyly comes back in September is he available for the playoff roster since he was on the DL?

 

[chibears55]

I don’t disagree. But you know that they will give Duesing and Chatwood opertunity.

Way I look at it is both are mop up like today. Non pressure. Just toss the ball up there vs using a needed arm.

Morrow should be due back first. He recovered fast time. Darvish is still in sims. Smyly should be in or near to rehab but his should take the longest as they are going to extend him vs rush him.

I feel Morrow should be 10 days. Darvish right now they could delay him until roster expand but I would guess 2 sims then 3 games. 2weeks tops with no hick up. Smyly I just see them pitching him until the minors close and then he pitches sept in the majors doing the same roll

Over all Morrow is the most likely one back pre deadline and every one goes DFA then. Duesing is the only choice left.

Morrow wont be back til September or close to it, that why they got Kintzler, a guy who could close if needed...

Morrow hasnt pitched in a month, they said when he does finally pick up a ball again itll take 2 to 3 weeks of rehab..
He alot further away then 10 days

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[chibears55]

If Smyly comes back in September is he available for the playoff roster since he was on the DL?

Who spot would he take on a playoff roster ?
No one

There absolutely no way, cubs management going to trust giving a guy a postseason roster spot who hasn't pitched in over a year over any of the guys they have now...

Im dumbfounded as to why some people think this guy an answer for this year team, he hasn't pitched since 2016 and he had close to a 5 ERA then..
But for whatever some think he an answer to pitch in the postseason this year and jump in and be a solid starter next year

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[beckdawg]

If Smyly comes back in September is he available for the playoff roster since he was on the DL?

Yes. IIRC rules are just that you either have to be on the roster before sept or are someone coming back from an injury.

 

[beckdawg]

Who spot would he take on a playoff roster ?
No one

Duensing potentially. Obviously there's a lot of if's between here and there but Smyly has pitched out of a bullpen before and he's nails on lefties.

 

[chibears55]

Duensing potentially. Obviously there's a lot of if's between here and there but Smyly has pitched out of a bullpen before and he's nails on lefties.

Duensing shouldn't even be on the team come September...

I already said who the 9 guys will be on the playoff roster for the pen.

Morrow Cishek Wilson Strop Edwards Montgomery Chavez Rosario Kintzler

Starters now...

Lester Hamels Hendricks Quintana


A guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years and struggled that year, and will maybe get about a handful of games in September is not going to a consideration over guys like Rosario, who been up and pitching well most to all year...

Heck if Darvish returns and pitches well, ill bet a nickle they would consider Darvish or one of the other starters in the pen before Smyley...

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[beckdawg]

Duensing shouldn't even be on the team come September...

I already said who the 9 guys will be on the playoff roster for the pen.

Morrow Cishek Wilson Strop Edwards Montgomery Chavez Rosario Kintzler

Starters now...

Lester Hamels Hendricks Quintana


A guy who hasn't pitched in 2 years and struggled that year, and will maybe get about a handful of games in September is not going to a consideration over guys like Rosario, who been up and pitching well most to all year...

Heck if Darvish returns and pitches well, ill bet a nickle they would consider Darvish or one of the other starters in the pen before Smyley...

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You'd carry Smyly over Rosario assuming he's healthy. He's on a knife edge right now while his ERA looks good his FIP is bad(1.97/5.10). He's eventually going to come back to earth.

Also fwiw I think you're missing the point on Smyly. He'd be a LH specialist out of the pen. He's always been dominant in that even as a starter.

 

[chibears55]

You'd carry Smyly over Rosario assuming he's healthy.

No way theyll do that...

Id be surprise if Smyley gets 10 to 15 innings pitched with the cubs this year..

Their not going to rush a guy back after being off 2 years from TJ surgery and get him throwing in rehab games to pitching in stressful meaningful games in September and then force him onto a playoff roster where he could be needed in back to back games..
That alot of work to put on an arm fresh off of TJ surgery right away...

I guarantee their plan is to take it slow with him, and just get him throwing and pitching again in rehab games and then a couple games in September, and then shut him down til next spring...

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[beckdawg]

No way theyll do that...

Id be surprise if Smyley gets 10 to 15 innings pitched with the cubs this year..

Their not going to rush a guy back after being off 2 years from TJ surgery and get him throwing in rehab games to pitching in stressful meaningful games in September and then force him onto a playoff roster where he could be needed in back to back games..
That alot of work to put on an arm fresh off of TJ surgery right away...

I guarantee their plan is to take it slow with him, and just get him throwing and pitching again in rehab games and then a couple games in September, and then shut him down til next spring...

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You're info is off here dude. His TJS was last year(roughly 28th june 2017). He hasn't been off for 2 years. He missed roughly a year of time and while he hasn't been throwing in games he has been throwing previously. They aren't "rushing" him to anything. This is the normal time table for a return. As for having him throw meaningful innings, I'm not really sure what your gripe here is. He's either good when he comes back or he's not. You have all of september to figure that out. If he's good where's the harm? You're not going to have him start games. He's throwing 15-20 pitches in a playoff setting where you have more rest than normal in season baseball.

And more to the point, Hickey literally said he expects Smyly to throw meaningful innings this year.

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