2018 Hug watch thread..

[CSF77]

Why?

They have enough SP to choose from for next year over trying to convert Edwards into a starter again...
Lester Darvish Hendricks Quintana Hamels Chatwood Montgomery
Plus the rehab ones in Butler and Smyley..
So, they dont really need to convert Edwards

Not saying they wont cut ties with any of the above , just dont see it happening unless they bring in a younger and or better replacement..
Not a conversion

Not sure why you would want to trade him, he'll be 27 and has 5 controllable years left..
So unless he a difference maker in a big trade or his desire is to be a starter and the cubs want to play nice guys and appease him, he going nowhere



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Talent

 

[chibears55]

Talent

Lol..
Not enough reason to try and do a total makeover in 1 offseason to pull him out of the pen where he excels, and hope he succeeds as a 5th starter or depth starter..
They have better options


Carl Edwards Jr. has thrown 2,711pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2014 and 2018, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, the MLB Postseason, Spring Training and Fall/Winter Ball. he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (95mph) and Curve (81mph).

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[Discus fish salesman]

What are you guys thoughts on Gausman? I really would have liked the cubs to go hard after him. I know his numbers have always been mediocre, but every time I’ve seen him pitch his stuff is filthy. I think if he finds the right situation he’s going to be really good. I was thinking try to get him and Bundy and maybe if we don’t have a playoff rotation they’d be arms that could be lights out from the pen for a few innings a piece to bridge to the backend guys.

 

[CSF77]

Lol..
Not enough reason to try and do a total makeover in 1 offseason to pull him out of the pen where he excels, and hope he succeeds as a 5th starter or depth starter..
They have better options


Carl Edwards Jr. has thrown 2,711pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2014 and 2018, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, the MLB Postseason, Spring Training and Fall/Winter Ball. he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (95mph) and Curve (81mph).

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He has one of the highest spin rates on his fastball.

All things said why not. He has talent and if he fails he goes to the pen anyways.

What makes less sense is your opinion. Leave him as is. I look at as why do that. If he fails then you lose nothing. If he succeeds then you have a controlled starter.

Add to it he is a 2 pitch pitcher. He scraped the change after they pushed him to the pen in AAA. Not like that pitch just went away.

 

[chibears55]

He has one of the highest spin rates on his fastball.

All things said why not. He has talent and if he fails he goes to the pen anyways.

What makes less sense is your opinion. Leave him as is. I look at as why do that. If he fails then you lose nothing. If he succeeds then you have a controlled starter.

Add to it he is a 2 pitch pitcher. He scraped the change after they pushed him to the pen in AAA. Not like that pitch just went away.

Simply because they dont need him as a starter, they have more tgen enough options under control for next year..

As i said ..

Lester Darvish are definitely returning..

Hendricks under control, guess you can trade him

Quintana and Hamels are options

Chatwood under contract

Montgomery proven and would be a better option over an unproven Edwards

So, who are you letting go of and youre also suggesting that they dont add anyone else that would be a better option for a team that trying to win a championship now over trying to experiment in turning someone into a starter..





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[Adipost]

Eloy was never going to play for Chicago anyways. He's a LF only bat. Cubs have plenty of that. Now if you want to talk about Cease then sure he's more interesting to the cubs future. However, they still have control of Q for 2.5 years. Obviously he's not pitching that well since coming over but it's entirely possible he will.

Easy to say now that he’s gone, but you really don’t know that.

 

[TL1961]

I can’t understand the “trade Edwards” thinking.

He’s young, has been good out of the pen, and is low cost.

 

[beckdawg]

Easy to say now that he’s gone, but you really don’t know that.

It was easy to say then too. He was never going to play because the front office made already made this decision when they chose not to trade Schwarber for Chapman. Eloy was never going to be a RF in the majors. He was always going to be a LF bat albeit probably a bit more mobile than schwarber is. If he had the range to play RF this argument might make sense because obviously at the time Heyward wasn't looking too hot. But he didn't and clearly the FO chose Schwarber as the guy they wanted to move forward with.

 

[brett05]

It would have had to be Russell or Happ to get Archer to get close to the Meadows return.

That damned Garza trade.........

Tired of seeing Eloy and Cease doing well for the south side.

You might want to not turn on your television for the next 12-15 years.

 

[anotheridiot]

Eloy was never going to play for Chicago anyways. He's a LF only bat. Cubs have plenty of that. Now if you want to talk about Cease then sure he's more interesting to the cubs future. However, they still have control of Q for 2.5 years. Obviously he's not pitching that well since coming over but it's entirely possible he will.

Really has nothing to do with playing for the cubs, has to do with the return we could have gotten. Sure, the belief was there was absolutely no way the cubs win the world series without Chapman, but to give up the top prospect for a rental and not have used him for a long term answer. Then instead of just giving up one really good prospect for Quintana, you give up 2, and one will be the starter from the system we have not had since Z, eventually Shark. Its not donning the uniform and performing here, its realizing their value in deals.

Now theo is proud of himself for still having 12 of his 15 top prospects. That is one way to say it, the other way is his top 15 now are in the top 400 of baseball and nobody is left to get the big name.

 

[brett05]

Really has nothing to do with playing for the cubs, has to do with the return we could have gotten. Sure, the belief was there was absolutely no way the cubs win the world series without Chapman, but to give up the top prospect for a rental and not have used him for a long term answer. Then instead of just giving up one really good prospect for Quintana, you give up 2, and one will be the starter from the system we have not had since Z, eventually Shark. Its not donning the uniform and performing here, its realizing their value in deals.

Now theo is proud of himself for still having 12 of his 15 top prospects. That is one way to say it, the other way is his top 15 now are in the top 400 of baseball and nobody is left to get the big name.

In fairness, when Theo got Q, it was more than just his top 10-15 dominance among starting pitchers. It was his control and extremely cheap dollars that required such a high offer to acquire a guy like Q.

 

[CSF77]

I can’t understand the “trade Edwards” thinking.

He’s young, has been good out of the pen, and is low cost.

Depends on the return

 

[CSF77]

Simply because they dont need him as a starter, they have more tgen enough options under control for next year..

As i said ..

Lester Darvish are definitely returning..

Hendricks under control, guess you can trade him

Quintana and Hamels are options

Chatwood under contract

Montgomery proven and would be a better option over an unproven Edwards

So, who are you letting go of and youre also suggesting that they dont add anyone else that would be a better option for a team that trying to win a championship now over trying to experiment in turning someone into a starter..





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Hamels: 20 mil 6 mil buy out
Lester/Yu under control

Those 3 you are ok with retaining. Hamels results this year dictates that option. He pitches at Lester’s level then 20 mil is a good deal.

Chatwood is baggage

Hendricks and Q. I believe that you could trade both and reload the farm.

Montgomery goes into Arb I think that a team would want him in their rotation. He has shown enough this year to warrant it. He would get back more than he cost.


My thought is to reload the farm.

 

[chibears55]

Hamels: 20 mil 6 mil buy out
Lester/Yu under control

Those 3 you are ok with retaining. Hamels results this year dictates that option. He pitches at Lester’s level then 20 mil is a good deal.

Chatwood is baggage

Hendricks and Q. I believe that you could trade both and reload the farm.

Montgomery goes into Arb I think that a team would want him in their rotation. He has shown enough this year to warrant it. He would get back more than he cost.


My thought is to reload the farm.

So you want Lester Darvish Hamels Edwards and ???????

2 35 YO in Lester and Hamels
1 unknown right now in Darvish
1 project in Edwards

Trading Hendricks Quintana and Montgomery for prospects

Guess you're not planning on winning in 2019

Ive said before, i could see one of Quintana or Hendricks traded but im sorry, i sincerely doubt that they would look to experiment with Edwards and try and stretch him out into a starter now.

Could he be a piece in a trade, yea i guess that a possibility if it a deal breaker on someone they need/want
But i dont think their gonna put him out there on the block to see what they can get...

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[CSF77]

So you want Lester Darvish Hamels Edwards and ???????

2 35 YO in Lester and Hamels
1 unknown right now in Darvish
1 project in Edwards

Trading Hendricks Quintana and Montgomery for prospects

Guess you're not planning on winning in 2019

Ive said before, i could see one of Quintana or Hendricks traded but im sorry, i sincerely doubt that they would look to experiment with Edwards and try and stretch him out into a starter now.

Could he be a piece in a trade, yea i guess that a possibility if it a deal breaker on someone they need/want
But i dont think their gonna put him out there on the block to see what they can get...

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The have Chatwood, Mills, Underwood, Clifton, Alozay, Edwards

Then there is F/A or trade returns.

 

[CSF77]

Oh and Drew Smyly

 

[chibears55]

The have Chatwood, Mills, Underwood, Clifton, Alozay, Edwards

Then there is F/A or trade returns.

Again youre not planning on winning in 2019 with that group..lol

Let just say we agree to disagree on this subject

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[CSF77]

Again youre not planning on winning in 2019 with that group..lol

Let just say we agree to disagree on this subject

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I think that they need to also focus on reloading vs shooting the load. They have a lux of depth and talent. There is nothing wrong with playing the long game also. It is no secret that they have one of the worst farms and that is a direct result from selling the farm for short term gain and bad draft position. Add into it a handycap in international spending.

 

[CSF77]

But what do we have now? Injured Yu. Old Lester. Hendricks and Q going jekyl and Hyde. Walk a thon and part timer.

And they are winning anyways.

Come on now.

 

[anotheridiot]

Kintzler due in for tonites game, gotta figure Chatwood, Dunsing and Wilson were the first three on waivers this morning. Hoping they can strike a deal quick.