2021-2022 IGT Masterthread

[CHIBEAR]

Dude, no…can’t you see that the guys to blame for last nights loss are the duo that went for 70 points on 25/47 shooting and had 12 of the teams paltry 18 assists total?!?

Booker had 38 WTF are you talking about ? There are two sides to the court and we are failing completely on one side of it but they got there's though right and thats all that matters . Ill wait for you to tell me how they are saving themselves for AC and ZO to return.

 

[Scoot26]

The Bulls offense is not a problem in the vast majority of these games. It's their utter lack of defense that gets them killed. All game long Stacey King goes on and on about how guys are slow to rotate, come out too far on screens, or just go for a unnecessary double team that leads to a wide open 3. Zach got burned a few times last night on that end, DeMar is fairly absent most of the time when it comes to defense. But, that's also kind of expected because they've never been known for their defense.

Really, in terms of defense, all they have is Javonte Green, who is playing out of position as more of an energy presence out there than any kind of lock down defender.

 

[knoxville7]

Actually Vuc is 3rd man on the totem pole when you got 2 guys talking nearly 60 shots but Im gonna blame the guy that takes 15 ?

No on is saying Vuc is the MVP or that Vuc is gonna get the Supermax yet we have you and Knox with both of their dicks in your mouths no matter how many times they get clowned because in your feeble ass minds you somehow have deemed it okay for those league best players to need someone else to come and play defense for them

What defensive passion did they show because neither one said hey I got Booker did they ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1490899945016147976

But its all on Vuc LOL

Someone’s mad

Also 47 shots isnt 60, and they shot over 50% combined, whereas your boy Vuc was 6/15…guess maybe that’s why he wasn’t getting 20 something shots because he wasn’t making them

And yeah, Booker had 38…that sucks, I agree. But if you think demar and Zach are suddenly going to become all star caliber defenders you’re going to be disappointed. But I’m sure you’ll say something about how they don’t try enough or care or some dumb shit like that

 

[clonetrooper264]

The Bulls offense is not a problem in the vast majority of these games. It's their utter lack of defense that gets them killed. All game long Stacey King goes on and on about how guys are slow to rotate, come out too far on screens, or just go for a unnecessary double team that leads to a wide open 3. Zach got burned a few times last night on that end, DeMar is fairly absent most of the time when it comes to defense. But, that's also kind of expected because they've never been known for their defense.

Really, in terms of defense, all they have is Javonte Green, who is playing out of position as more of an energy presence out there than any kind of lock down defender.

Pretty much this. Since I watched the game in person I can definitely confirm that it was the defense that was the real reason they lost. Sure the offense could've been better as well, but if their defense was on point they could've weathered that storm. I will give credit to the Suns, their ball movement is exceptional and they were making the right reads every time it seemed like.

After about 2 possessions I could tell the hard hedge/trap scheme on the Suns PnR was not going to work out well for us. Sure enough CP3 shredded us on that time and time again, but it wasn't just him, the whole Suns team had no issue passing to the roll man and then hitting the open shooter on the swing pass. CP3 didn't even have to be in the game and it was still happening. Ayton was basically a non factor for most the game being in foul trouble a bunch. Didn't matter. Suns had a stretch where CP3 and Booker were on the bench and their lead kept growing. To me, that's the most telling thing about the difference between us and them.

Yes the Bulls are missing most of their top defensive guys, of course that will make a difference. But it shouldn't make suddenly become the worst defensive team in basketball. I'll give Javonte credit, he's all heart and hustle out there, but he's constantly in "chase" mode on defense it seems like. He's not really going to "put the clamps" on anyone. Positionally he's great, but he's a SG playing PF most of the time. And unfortunately he's not a great shooter either. And even so, he's just one guy. Defense requires all 5 players to do their part. Slow rotations were very very common the whole night. It might be easy to blame Vuc for a lot of things at face value, but honestly he was doing everything he could defensively within the scheme for the most part. One thing I will blame Vuc for is bad shooting, but it's hardly a new thing at this point. He had one play I think in the 4th where he actually aggressively attacked Ayton in the paint and got a layup and I was just like, needed that 3 quarters ago Vuc.

Also TBJ looks more and more disappointing the more I see him play. He seemed great last year, but this year, nope. I'm all for giving Malcom Hill more of his minutes because at least he seems to make shots. This is probably all some sort of confirmation bias though and I'm sure the numbers will tell a different story.

 

[knoxville7]

Pretty much this. Since I watched the game in person I can definitely confirm that it was the defense that was the real reason they lost. Sure the offense could've been better as well, but if their defense was on point they could've weathered that storm. I will give credit to the Suns, their ball movement is exceptional and they were making the right reads every time it seemed like.

After about 2 possessions I could tell the hard hedge/trap scheme on the Suns PnR was not going to work out well for us. Sure enough CP3 shredded us on that time and time again, but it wasn't just him, the whole Suns team had no issue passing to the roll man and then hitting the open shooter on the swing pass. CP3 didn't even have to be in the game and it was still happening. Ayton was basically a non factor for most the game being in foul trouble a bunch. Didn't matter. Suns had a stretch where CP3 and Booker were on the bench and their lead kept growing. To me, that's the most telling thing about the difference between us and them.

Yes the Bulls are missing most of their top defensive guys, of course that will make a difference. But it shouldn't make suddenly become the worst defensive team in basketball. I'll give Javonte credit, he's all heart and hustle out there, but he's constantly in "chase" mode on defense it seems like. He's not really going to "put the clamps" on anyone. Positionally he's great, but he's a SG playing PF most of the time. And unfortunately he's not a great shooter either. And even so, he's just one guy. Defense requires all 5 players to do their part. Slow rotations were very very common the whole night. It might be easy to blame Vuc for a lot of things at face value, but honestly he was doing everything he could defensively within the scheme for the most part. One thing I will blame Vuc for is bad shooting, but it's hardly a new thing at this point. He had one play I think in the 4th where he actually aggressively attacked Ayton in the paint and got a layup and I was just like, needed that 3 quarters ago Vuc.

Also TBJ looks more and more disappointing the more I see him play. He seemed great last year, but this year, nope. I'm all for giving Malcom Hill more of his minutes because at least he seems to make shots. This is probably all some sort of confirmation bias though and I'm sure the numbers will tell a different story.

TBJ and Hill are shooting pretty much identical this season. Hill slightly better overall, but TBJ slightly better from 3.

Either way, I’m all for shipping TBJ off for Schroder if it’s possible

 

[clonetrooper264]

TBJ and Hill are shooting pretty much identical this season. Hill slightly better overall, but TBJ slightly better from 3.

Either way, I’m all for shipping TBJ off for Schroder if it’s possible

And sure enough the numbers told a different story lol

 

[clonetrooper264]

Ayo is out with a concussion so Coby is probably starting

Please win the shootout

 

[knoxville7]

It’s nationally broadcast, so…

 

[Scoot26]

It’s nationally broadcast, so…

L by 54?

 

[knoxville7]

L by 54?

Exactly. It’d be nice if they could win one of these, stop embarrassing themselves

 

[Scoot26]

Exactly. It’d be nice if they could win one of these, stop embarrassing themselves

Trying to remember all the games on ESPN/TNT..

I know of
@ Warriors L-119-93
vs Nets L-138-112
vs Warriors L 138-96
@ Grizzlies L 119-106
@Bucks L 94-90

Really, only Bucks game they played it close to the end.

 

[zack54attack]

Good start so far.

 

[DirtyDutchDiggler]

Our bench right now would be lucky to make the G-League.

 

[knoxville7]

I would say pretty solid defense so far through 3 quarters against a high scoring up and down the court team

 

[knoxville7]

Now where’s the guy that is going to come in and complain that the bulls gave up 33 to Lamelo?! lol

Or does he only complain about the other teams high scorers when they lose? How convenient

 

[knoxville7]

Beep beep

 

[CHIBEAR]

Now where’s the guy that is going to come in and complain that the bulls gave up 33 to Lamelo?! lol

Or does he only complain about the other teams high scorers when they lose? How convenient

or does he come in and say that beating bad teams looking good and then getting cooked by every good team you play is not something to brag about . considering the Hornets are now 2-8 in their last 10 .

Anybody over 15 who has played basketball at any level understand that and this stupid narrative of everything is fine because Zach and Demar are scoring and looking good is flat out dumb .

If the Bulls dont get their shit together right now they are gonna be fighting to avoid a play in game because after this stretch of home games they have

ATl
Memphis
@Mia
@ATL
Bucks
@Philly


with games still to be played @Jazz @Suns and 2 more against the Cavs

and then

and ours last 5 games of the season

Clippers
Heat
Bucks
Celtics
Hornets
Wolves

all teams who be will fighting and clawing for the playoffs


but hey we beat struggling Hornets team right now so any complaints about the Bulls playing defense is obviously overblown ........

 

[knoxville7]

or does he come in and say that beating bad teams looking good and then getting cooked by every good team you play is not something to brag about . considering the Hornets are now 2-8 in their last 10 .

Anybody over 15 who has played basketball at any level understand that and this stupid narrative of everything is fine because Zach and Demar are scoring and looking good is flat out dumb .

If the Bulls dont get their shit together right now they are gonna be fighting to avoid a play in game because after this stretch of home games they have

ATl
Memphis
@Mia
@ATL
Bucks
@Philly


with games still to be played @Jazz @Suns and 2 more against the Cavs

and then

and ours last 5 games of the season

Clippers
Heat
Bucks
Celtics
Hornets
Wolves

all teams who be will fighting and clawing for the playoffs


but hey we beat struggling Hornets team right now so any complaints about the Bulls playing defense is obviously overblown ........

Lmao how mad you get. Nobody is saying EVERYTHING is fine. But your constant harping on Zach and demars defense is just dumb and pointless. Nobody is claiming they are elite defenders, but you pretending that they should/need to be is preposterous

 

[CHIBEAR]

Lmao how mad you get. Nobody is saying EVERYTHING is fine. But your constant harping on Zach and demars defense is just dumb and pointless. Nobody is claiming they are elite defenders, but you pretending that they should/need to be is preposterous

Who says Im mad ? You are constantly claiming everything is fine except when it comes to Coby or Vuc .

Nobody expects them to be elite defenders but a shorthanded teams cant have a lack of efforts especially when its built on small ball because for small ball to work all 5 guys have to be willing to hustle their asses off on both ends of the floor .

But you've been saying quite often this season that guys cant be expected to play defense because they have to carry the offense which is absurd . The fact that you think me saying they need to play better defense in order to beat the good teams is preposterous is exactly what Im talking about . They got their points so all is good seems to be the only point you push .

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Who says Im mad ? You are constantly claiming everything is fine except when it comes to Coby or Vuc .

Nobody expects them to be elite defenders but a shorthanded teams cant have a lack of efforts especially when its built on small ball because for small ball to work all 5 guys have to be willing to hustle their asses off on both ends of the floor .

But you've been saying quite often this season that guys cant be expected to play defense because they have to carry the offense which is absurd . The fact that you think me saying they need to play better defense in order to beat the good teams is preposterous is exactly what Im talking about . They got their points so all is good seems to be the only point you push .

I agree that Zach and demar could put in better effort on defense. What doesn't make sense to me is you ignore vuc complete lack of ability to guard a pick and roll and his lack of effort often. Plus he has no consistency on offense either.