2025 Regular Season IGT

[CSF77]

But the point was that Tom is not going to resign. He has a track record going. He will pay for short term on players at and over 30. TBH Boyd is a far more likely player type as Tom is not strapped down for 10 years of a decline.

If Shaw takes off I could see a long term deal. Busch I doubt. Alcantara yes if he gets a opertunity and takes off.

Those types of deals make sense as he controls the upswing years and normally can get under market value production on CBA.

Tucker will cost 40M per season. Yes if he trades out Happ and Taillon then gets controlling years from Alcantara, Brown, Shaw, PCA and Horton. Sure. He would have a projectable time line for payroll that he could fit Tucker.

But even then it is doubtful.

 

[knoxville7]

Javy put up his best 2 years in 2018 and 19. 2020 was the COVID shut down.

So not sure on that one. He tanked after going to Detroit.


Bryant was injuries. 2017 he posted a 7 fWAR season. Then the string of injuries happened.

Of the 3 Kris was unlikely with injuries and Boras over demanding.

Rizzo pretty much capped out at 5.3 in 2014. He had a slow decline up to COVID. Think 3.3 was his well.

I would take a 3.3 on this team any day from Busch. Just saying.

javy led the league in strikeouts his last season with the cubs(ended it with the mets). so no

and if all 3 guys were so good, then why were the cubs as a team performing worse year after year?

get over it, it was the right decision to move on from those guys

theres plenty of reasons to throw shade at Hoyer/Tom, that is not one of them

 

[knoxville7]

But the point was that Tom is not going to resign. He has a track record going. He will pay for short term on players at and over 30. TBH Boyd is a far more likely player type as Tom is not strapped down for 10 years of a decline.

If Shaw takes off I could see a long term deal. Busch I doubt. Alcantara yes if he gets a opertunity and takes off.

Those types of deals make sense as he controls the upswing years and normally can get under market value production on CBA.

Tucker will cost 40M per season. Yes if he trades out Happ and Taillon then gets controlling years from Alcantara, Brown, Shaw, PCA and Horton. Sure. He would have a projectable time line for payroll that he could fit Tucker.

But even then it is doubtful.

guys acquired by trading away the guys you say they traded for financial reasons or some shiit

 

[CSF77]

javy led the league in strikeouts his last season with the cubs(ended it with the mets). so no

and if all 3 guys were so good, then why were the cubs as a team performing worse year after year?

get over it, it was the right decision to move on from those guys

theres plenty of reasons to throw shade at Hoyer/Tom, that is not one of them

He said 4 year decline after 2016. He peaked in 18 and 19. I never brought up 21. If you want to cherrie pick 1 year after the 4 year window ends feel free.

Next time give reference to numbers and years. Then there is no argument. Not you of course as it was fish that started the diatribe.

 

[CSF77]

But solid game. A real question going into the 2nd half

If the pen is meh would Jed push Horton into it?

I am kinda leaning yes as you want talent there and it is a good landing spot plus can limit his innings. Gives him a opportunity like Brown is getting this year for 2026.

 

[DrGonzo]

Kyle Tucker is a machine.

 

[TL1961]

He ass canned the 2016 WS team. Dude puts profit over fans. He knows that Cubs fans are addicted

If it was a year later and Happ, Taillon and Boyd were off the payroll sure

I feel that the unlikely chance is a semi trade off of short term like Happ and Taillon. They replace with Alcantara in LF and Horton in the rotation. That would give the payroll flexibility needed to sign Tucker.

You are replying to a post referring to Kyle Tucker and you say "He ass canned the 2016 WS team."

 

[TL1961]

Javy put up his best 2 years in 2018 and 19. 2020 was the COVID shut down.

So not sure on that one. He tanked after going to Detroit.


Bryant was injuries. 2017 he posted a 7 fWAR season. Then the string of injuries happened.

Of the 3 Kris was unlikely with injuries and Boras over demanding.

Rizzo pretty much capped out at 5.3 in 2014. He had a slow decline up to COVID. Think 3.3 was his well.

I would take a 3.3 on this team any day from Busch. Just saying.

Jed traded Javy for PCA when the only other alternatives were to let him walk for nothing at season's end, or extend him which would have been costly.

What have you seen since he was traded that could possibly lead you to believe that was a wrong move?

Jed traded Bryant, and Bryant has been God-awful since.
Jed traded Rizzo and Rizzo was poor in NY, with some short-porch HRs as his highlight.

So when you say "he ass canned the 2016 WS team", it implies the Cubs blew it up in early 2017. In fact, it was 2021, after 4 1/2 more seasons, and they traded away pending free agents!

 

[truthbedamned]

Who is this yahoo with a 14.57 ERA?

 

[TL1961]

He said 4 year decline after 2016. He peaked in 18 and 19. I never brought up 21. If you want to cherrie pick 1 year after the 4 year window ends feel free.

Next time give reference to numbers and years. Then there is no argument. Not you of course as it was fish that started the diatribe.

Javy wasn't DFA'd because he stunk. He was traded because he was a pending free agent.

Do you honestly not realize that contract status and salary impact are driving trades in sports as much as performance does?

 

[knoxville7]

Suzuki raking lately. Him and Tucker can make for quite a 1-2 punch of left/right hitters

 

[CSF77]

Javy wasn't DFA'd because he stunk. He was traded because he was a pending free agent.

Do you honestly not realize that contract status and salary impact are driving trades in sports as much as performance does?

.... Thank you for making my argument

My argument has been Tom is more likely to sign players for the first 10 vs the last 10.

This is about Tucker and how Jed and Tom have avoided signing players for long term deals at 30.

Pretty much all this is is business not fan boi crap. Tucker will be a business decision.

 

[CSF77]

Suzuki raking lately. Him and Tucker can make for quite a 1-2 punch of left/right hitters

Cubs have put up 60 runs in 9 games. Great start.

 

[knoxville7]

.... Thank you for making my argument

My argument has been Tom is more likely to sign players for the first 10 vs the last 10.

This is about Tucker and how Jed and Tom have avoided signing players for long term deals at 30.

Pretty much all this is is business not fan boi crap. Tucker will be a business decision.

He is 28 and will be 28 as a FA

 

[TL1961]

.... Thank you for making my argument

My argument has been Tom is more likely to sign players for the first 10 vs the last 10.

This is about Tucker and how Jed and Tom have avoided signing players for long term deals at 30.

Pretty much all this is is business not fan boi crap. Tucker will be a business decision.

Oh, you're arguing that Tom is making the correct decisions? Because it seemed you were criticizing him for doing so.

You'd rather have Javy now rather than earlier?

Please list the players whose last ten are better than their first ten.

 

[CSF77]

He is 28 and will be 28 as a FA

Like I said, highly doubtful. Even if he trades out expiring deals and back fills with prospects.

Enjoy 2025.

 

[CSF77]

Oh, you're arguing that Tom is making the correct decisions? Because it seemed you were criticizing him for doing so.

You'd rather have Javy now rather than earlier?

Please list the players whose last ten are better than their first ten.

Bonds.

Mac

Many others including Arod


Post roids

Not as much.

This is the thing that the current younger generation is having. We are in a what have you done for me lately world. There was a time when a player would spend his whole career with the same team that is an exception at this point.

 

[CSF77]

Just look at the Yankees. They have a history of life long players that are house hold names. When you think Yankees those players come to mind.

Now...how much are you getting?

This is why I love to see teams lock up self produced for 14 years. They become the face of the franchise and down the road they are talked about along the same lines as Sandberg.

To date Tony Gwynn is treated as a icon in San Diego.

That is what you want as a franchise.

Not the hot new hooker on the street that the fans whistle at

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Just look at the Yankees. They have a history of life long players that are house hold names. When you think Yankees those players come to mind.

Now...how much are you getting?

This is why I love to see teams lock up self produced for 14 years. They become the face of the franchise and down the road they are talked about along the same lines as Sandberg.

To date Tony Gwynn is treated as a icon in San Diego.

That is what you want as a franchise.

Not the hot new hooker on the street that the fans whistle at

Sounds like you are living in the past

 

[TL1961]

Just look at the Yankees. They have a history of life long players that are house hold names. When you think Yankees those players come to mind.

Now...how much are you getting?

This is why I love to see teams lock up self produced for 14 years. They become the face of the franchise and down the road they are talked about along the same lines as Sandberg.

To date Tony Gwynn is treated as a icon in San Diego.

That is what you want as a franchise.

Not the hot new hooker on the street that the fans whistle at

Yeah, the Yankees in the past few decades have had Jeter, and....well, I;m sure there's another somewhere. Bernie Williams, but that was a quarter century ago.