[A] Bergevin named GM of Canadiens

[Larmer83]

When it comes to a promotion opportunity in another organization, the common courtesy is to grant another team permission to interview your guy as in the case of Bergevin and Haviland(Winnipeg last summer). With Q this would be a lateral move.



If the Hawks brain trust feels Q is their guy, they can deny MTL permission to speak with Q. If it comes to that.



But if they really don't think Q is their guy and can find a better coach, have at it. But if a new Stanbo/McD coach fails while Q has immediate success in Montreal and Tallon moves Florida along, the Hawks look awfully stupid.

 

[R K]

they don't already? Serious question here.

 

[MassHavoc]

While Q is still under contract, I could see StanBo letting him go and bringing in someone who is cheaper and will take orders. Either way this will be an interesting summer.

 

[Larmer83]

they don't already? Serious question here.

There are some holdouts.



In my own way I was asking the board if they have confidence that the current brain trust can make a great coaching decision if Q bolts or is pushed.



Just has important, seeing how this dysfuntional operation funtions I'm guessing Q stays since McCub has asked himself what if we screw the pooch on a new coach. If they do, it's one step closer to his head on the chopping block. If they keep Q, and have another 1st round exit or worse, McD can tie it around Q's neck.



Don't think for a second McD hasn't run that through his conniving mind.

 

[MassHavoc]

Let's all welcome the new head coach Mike Kitchen... That's how much confidence I have in this "brain trust"

 

[IceHogsFan]

Let's all welcome the new head coach Mike Kitchen... That's how much confidence I have in this "brain trust"

Death to Mass for such blasphemy!!!

 

[R K]

oh, that's bad! He's Montreals knew assistant!!!!

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

So basically what Rocky and McD discussed when they met at Champs 2 years ago was lets win a cup so fans think were trying to bring it all back. then go back to the old ways while you MCD market the team and fill seats. While I take the money and venture it off in my other businesses

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

If this Q thing happens, and the Hawks are really trying to win, They attempt getting Trotz no matter what. If Nashville is out, Can Trotz be let go? I mean if Q is under contract and this rumor is going around, I guess no coach is untouchable correct?

 

[fanof19]

When it comes to a promotion opportunity in another organization, the common courtesy is to grant another team permission to interview your guy as in the case of Bergevin and Haviland(Winnipeg last summer). With Q this would be a lateral move.



If the Hawks brain trust feels Q is their guy, they can deny MTL permission to speak with Q. If it comes to that.



But if they really don't think Q is their guy and can find a better coach, have at it. But if a new Stanbo/McD coach fails while Q has immediate success in Montreal and Tallon moves Florida along, the Hawks look awfully stupid.

actually, if a person is under contract, and another team would like to talk to them about a position which is a lateral move, they HAVE to ask permission from the contacting team, which can be denied.

 

[MassHavoc]

Death to Mass for such blasphemy!!!

Prove me wrong! haha.

 

[the canadian dream]

Bye Q.



This is getting some hot attention now this rumor. I think it's going to pan out.



Congrats Montreal you are on your way to fixing some major issues and becoming a team again.



Hawks are destroying themselves within. 2 years of nonsense continues into a 3rd.

 

[Tater]

I have a feeling that as long as the Hawks keep getting asses in the UC seats he won't do shit. The apple it seems does not fall far from the tree. If the Hawks are such a moneyhole, why can't Rocky just sell it to someone that also likes the team and would like it to succeed. Why does this organization always get bogged down in shitty front office politics?

Bingo.

 

[MassHavoc]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Blackhawks elevate Norm Maciver





Updated: May 7, 2012, 12:54 PM ETBy Jesse Rogers | ESPNChicago.com[/font]



[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CHICAGO -- Former [/font]Blackhawks[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] director of player personnel [/font]Norm Maciver[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] has been promoted to assistant general manager, the team announced Monday.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Norm has proven to be a valuable asset to our hockey operations over the past five years, so we are excited to be able to elevate him to this role," Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman said in a statement. "He has an excellent handle on the players within our organization, from recent draft picks to veterans, and a great eye for talent evaluating.

"Promoting within our organization is something we take great pride in and we are very confident in what he will contribute on a daily basis as we strive to hire the best possible candidate at every position."

Maciver just completed his fifth season with the Blackhawks, his first as director of player personnel after previously serving as the club's director of player development. He replacesMarc Bergevin, who left to become the general manager of the Montreal Canadiens.

Maciver is a veteran of 500 regular-season games as an NHL defenseman.





The bold part to me has always been code for, it's cheaper to hire from within to to pay money for a long exhaustive search and then have to overpay to steal talent. [/font]

 

[Larmer83]

actually, if a person is under contract, and another team would like to talk to them about a position which is a lateral move, they HAVE to ask permission from the contacting team, which can be denied.

Understood. Permission must be given either way. The point I was trying to make is that it is rare when the move is an upgrade in title that a team refuses to grant permission. In the case of Q, the Hawks would be within their contractual rights to not let MTL talk to Q and morally as well. I hesitate to use the word morally within this context given it's a John McDonough run organization.

 

[Larmer83]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Blackhawks elevate Norm Maciver





Updated: May 7, 2012, 12:54 PM ETBy Jesse Rogers | ESPNChicago.com[/font]



[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CHICAGO -- Former [/font]Blackhawks[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] director of player personnel [/font]Norm Maciver[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] has been promoted to assistant general manager, the team announced Monday.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Norm has proven to be a valuable asset to our hockey operations over the past five years, so we are excited to be able to elevate him to this role," Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman said in a statement. "He has an excellent handle on the players within our organization, from recent draft picks to veterans, and a great eye for talent evaluating. I will, however, continue to handle the forwarding of Qualifying Offers.

"Promoting within our organization is something we take great pride in and we are very confident in what he will contribute on a daily basis as we strive to hire the best possible candidate at every position."

Maciver just completed his fifth season with the Blackhawks, his first as director of player personnel after previously serving as the club's director of player development. He replacesMarc Bergevin, who left to become the general manager of the Montreal Canadiens.

Maciver is a veteran of 500 regular-season games as an NHL defenseman.





The bold part to me has always been code for, it's cheaper to hire from within to to pay money for a long exhaustive search and then have to overpay to steal talent. [/font]

Stan's statement edited for accuracy.

 

[bookjones]

Jesus, Marian Hossa, and Joseph but please let this whole Q "thing" meme continue to gain traction until it's an absolutley untenable snowball situation that MUST be rolled out of town! Bon voyage Q! L'aissez les bon temps rouler. . .a Montreal mon petit chou. Also? Don't let the door to Lake Michigan hit you in your incompetent ass on the way out.





http://www.secondcit...rizon#storyjump



My favorite quote that sums up everything pretty nicely,

Our feelings are pretty much scripture at this point to any regular reader. McClure and I would happily pack Q's bags for him and drive him to the airport. The past two years, while there have been some mistakes from Bowman (some with his financial hands tied, others just plain gaffes), the roster has been borderline criminally mismanaged. You know the laundry list by now, no need to go over it again. Furthermore, it would be a much more streamlined operation on West Madison if you have a GM who was hired by the owner who then hired his own coach. Nice stepladder there. The Hawks haven't had that in years.

 

[fanof19]

Understood. Permission must be given either way. The point I was trying to make is that it is rare when the move is an upgrade in title that a team refuses to grant permission. In the case of Q, the Hawks would be within their contractual rights to not let MTL talk to Q and morally as well. I hesitate to use the word morally within this context given it's a John McDonough run organization.

upgrade is the loop hole where another team can end-run the contracting team. Because Q would be going lateral, they have to grant permission, which I totally see them doing so they don't have to pay out his contract and can move along in "a new direction".



There is nothing moral about that dickwad McDonough LOL

 

[Larmer83]

In response to your comments in order of being posted:



My mistake, I forgot he was shit canned AFTER the draft.



Judging a guy on one game is the worst thing any person can do. So your opinion is invalid if all you have is an opinion based off one game for Clendening.



The Hawks were given a high grade on this past years draft. Grant it yes, they will take a while to develop but lets not throw the rest under the bus.



I agree on your points of Leddy being poor defensively. Still very young and has plenty of time to develop. Wish he was still in the AHL so he could develop his defensive side.



Stahlberg has his highs and lows. Great speed, hard shot, long reach. Terrible stick skills, okay defensively, leaves a lot to desire.

Yes my opinion on Clendening is based on one game. Stephen Johns was shit in the same game. The difference was that Johns wasn't out of his element from a physical stand point(Speed, size, skill). Clendening was. The concentration of talent was such that Clendening was not clearly accustomed to at a collegiate level. I doubt he'll make the adjustment at a professional level. Johns could make that adjustment as a stay-at-home dman.



As for the rest of the Hawks draft class of 2011, my comment of "Remains to be seen" is hardly throwing the rest under the bus. But let's start with Danault.



Danault turned into the pick for the rights to Brouwer. McPhee(Wash GM) as on record that he felt the depth of the 2011 draft was less than stellar. I'll take McPhee's draft acumen over Junior's any day of the week and twice thrice on Sunday. So the Caps got Brouwer at the same terms as the Hawks signed Frolik(That's borderline criminal incompetence).



McNeil? Could not make the World Jrs. team for Canada. He was not even one of the last cuts. Sorry if I'm not doing hand stands over McNeil especially when he had zero points in his 7 game or so with The Rock. And he's supposed to be the next #2 center on the Hawks?



Saad may be the real deal. But when I heard he was voted the most gentlemanly player in the OHL I just cringed. And at the same time, realized he fits the Stan Bowman mold.



Nick Leddy is ... well, Nick Leddy. Talented offensively. A liabilty in front of and behind his net. Yes he should have spent time more time in the AHL. But there are probably reasons beyond talent/seasoning why he was moved up.

 

[R K]

I don't know that Mcneil was/is supposed to be the 2nd line Center next year. Most I've read have said he needs another year, or a year in the AHL. Burke sure did want him in a bad way. No question. And you don't just throw a kid from JR's in a professional league and expect him to put up numbers. You know that. Mcneil and Kevyn Hayes could come near advertized.



Saad as well.



Leddy was in his 2nd year. 2-3 years from now he may be real good. Even Keith regressed in year #2.



And really Keith regressed the last TWO seasons of which making a Cap hit of 5 mil.