A Different Offseason Plan

[DewsSox79]

dunn will never sign a 1 year deal.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

Studies have shown that most players tend to peak around ages 26 and 27 and are usually well into their decline in their early 30's. Obviously there are different player types across the whole of the MLB (some peak early, some later, some never at all, etc.), but the general rule-of-thumb is ages 26-27 being the peak years with seasons after age 30 seeing significant decline.

not to, well be an asshole, but where could i find these studies? i'm just curious, i've never seen or heard anything definitive about this, i've always just seen guys around 28-31 at their peaks. i just think 26 is really young to be in one's prime.

 

[Lefty]

not to, well be an asshole, but where could i find these studies? i'm just curious, i've never seen or heard anything definitive about this, i've always just seen guys around 28-31 at their peaks. i just think 26 is really young to be in one's prime.

Baseball Prospectus had a chapter about it in their book Baseball Between the Numbers, where they used the peak age discussion as a transition to discussion on how different types of ballplayers age. In that chapter, they showed that the aggregate peak age for the sample they used to be in the 26-27 range and so on and so forth.

As for things readily available this is the best I can find, and it's pretty close to what was written in the book.

When Bill James originally took up this question, he suggested that players generally peak earlier than is generally thought, and decline more rapidly than is generally thought. He might have inadvertently been picking up on a wrinkle in how people think about the game. The good players do peak around 29, and those are the players about whom we first think. The great unwashed mass of players peak earlier.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

Baseball Prospectus had a chapter about it in their book Baseball Between the Numbers, where they used the peak age discussion as a transition to discussion on how different types of ballplayers age. In that chapter, they showed that the aggregate peak age for the sample they used to be in the 26-27 range and so on and so forth.

As for things readily available this is the best I can find, and it's pretty close to what was written in the book.

awesome, thanks.

 

[Jntg4]

ok, so Soto is a good player, he'd probably peak in 2012, Castro in 2019, and everyone else in different years.

 

[Lefty]

ok, so Soto is a good player, he'd probably peak in 2012, Castro in 2019, and everyone else in different years.

You're misinterpreting what the writer is saying here. To BP, "good" signifies a whole lot more than just "slightly above-average". When they talk about "good" players, they are more often than not referencing the premier players in the league and their ilk, both in terms of statistical worth, athleticism, age, etc. Soto is not a premier player in the league.

 

[Jntg4]

He's one of the best catchers in the league though.

But I see what you mean.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Soto one of the best catchers in MLB. LOL, you're so full of shit.

 

[waldo7239117]

He's not one of the best catchers. But, he's a good catcher.

He's in the top 10.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

He's not one of the best catchers. But, he's a good catcher.

He's in the top 10.

I think top five could even be argued.

 

[Jntg4]

He has the highest OPS of all MLB starting catchers, and I meant offensively.

 

[Jntg4]

I think top five could even be argued.

Top 5, exactly. I didn't say THE best, I saif One of The, which could've been misinterpreted I suppose, but that is basically what I meant.

 

[waldo7239117]

I think top five could even be argued.

I was going to say top 5 but did not want to start an argument.

 

[Jntg4]

Only McCann and Mauer have better WAR's out of MLB catchers than Soto. And Soto doesn't even have enough PA's to qualify on a leader-board. That shows that he has been among the most valuable MLB catchers without even playing full-time.

 

[Jntg4]

So 3rd Best MLB Catcher as far as WAR.

 

[waldo7239117]

Soto has taken a lot of walks and his average is not to bad. But, he takes balls right down the plate because he does take a lot of walks. I also think his defense (throwing out baserunners) has improved but that's what I think.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Mauer
Martinez
Santana
Posey
Napoli (Yes, i know he's playing some 1st base now)
Olivo
McCann
Suzuki
Buck

All guys i'd take over Sotoroids.

 

[Jntg4]

Probably Mauer, Posey, and McCann. Possibly Martinez and unlikely but possibly Santana. But WTF? Buck?

Sioto has better stats than all of these except for the few I admitted. He's also younger than half of them, and has the a Higher WAR than all but 2 of them while having less playng time than most of them. And in a better pitching league than Buck, whom I have no idea why is mentioned here.

 

[waldo7239117]

Soto never used Steroids. Oh yeah...Quintin used steroids.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Minor league stats

Single digits until he hit 26 all of a sudden? :lmao: