A Different Offseason Plan

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Minor league stats

Single digits until he hit 26 all of a sudden? :lmao:

It's called repeating the league for the 3rd straight year you dipshit.

 

[Jntg4]

It's called repeating the league for the 3rd straight year you dipshit.

You get a thanks for that

 

[Captain Obvious]

He's not one of the best catchers. But, he's a good catcher.

He's in the top 10.

I know you meant top 5, but that still makes him one of the best.

Soto has taken a lot of walks and his average is not to bad. But, he takes balls right down the plate because he does take a lot of walks. I also think his defense (throwing out baserunners) has improved but that's what I think.

So the fuck what if he takes pitches right down the middle? He draws more than enough BBs to compensate. Plus, I'd rather him not swing at pitches in the zone than go golfing.

 

[Jntg4]

Exactly

 

[Lefty]

My point is this: Soto is 27 and in the midst of a career-year, kind of in line with how we can reasonably expect the whole of players to age. Since he is on course with the aggregate, it is also reasonable to assume that this will be his peak in terms of value added to the ballclub. Does that mean he simply cannot and will not get better? No, of course not, but it is not unreasonable to think that while he may turn in similar (but still lesser in overall value as compared to this season) seasons for the next year, two, or three, he is peaking right now. And to flatly say things like "he hasn't hit his peak yet"--even if that statement turns out to be true--is wishful thinking that goes against pretty much everything the numbers tell us.

 

[Jntg4]

JoeHawks is basically saying he sucks though. He's really underrating him saying that he isn't even one of the 10 best catchers in the league. Regardless of when his peak is, this year, while in somewhat limited playing time, he has accumulated more value than all catchers not named Joe Mauer or Brian McCann.

 

[waldo7239117]

I was just saying, with Soto taking walks, he does not swing as much. Thosepitches he can hit for miles. But, I do't mind it and I love Soto taking walks. Def in front of the pitcher.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

JoeHawks is basically saying he sucks though. He's really underrating him saying that he isn't even one of the 10 best catchers in the league. Regardless of when his peak is, this year, while in somewhat limited playing time, he has accumulated more value than all catchers not named Joe Mauer or Brian McCann.

Listening to JoeHawks is like burning your hand with a lighter. If you do either, you're a moron.

 

[USCChiFan]

I'm really interested to hear what teams you think are willing and able to fully take on the contracts of Fukudome and/or Zambrano. Again (I've lost count as to how many times people in this section of the board have needed to be told this), just because you want to trade a guy to free up payroll doesn't mean 1) there is a market for that player and 2) any and all teams interested would take on that player's contract without giving you a similarly-sized deal or wanting cash considerations.



He's 27, he's in the midst of his prime right now and can reasonably be expected to leave it relatively soon.

I've never understood why they think they can be traded. Fukudome makes $13.5 million next season, and the Cubs would have to eat a substantial part of it for teams to even consider trading for him. Same goes for Zambrano and his albatross contract.

 

[USCChiFan]

1 year, with TO for the 2nd year. I think that's a better deal than just a 1 year deal. But, I'm not high on a 2 year contract. If the Cubs do sign Dunn, I hope it's for a reasonable contract.

Dunn wants a 4-year deal, and he'll likely get it

 

[waldo7239117]

Dunn wants a 4-year deal, and he'll likely get it

I know he has said that. I would rather keep Lee then.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

I wouldn't be that opposed to the Cubs giving Dunn a four year deal as long as it wasn't completely Special person. I'd see if a three year deal could be negotiated.

Also, right now I'd take Buster Posey over Soto, but I don't think it's fair to say he's better than Soto. It's just too early in my opinion. It could go either way within the next few years.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

I wouldn't be that opposed to the Cubs giving Dunn a four year deal as long as it wasn't completely Special person. I'd see if a three year deal could be negotiated.

Also, right now I'd take Buster Posey over Soto, but I don't think it's fair to say he's better than Soto. It's just too early in my opinion. It could go either way within the next few years.

If its Hendry.. I'll guarantee its gonna be a Special person offer that would put us deeper in a hole.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

If its Hendry.. I'll guarantee its gonna be a Special person offer that would put us deeper in a hole.

I don't doubt that for a second.

I was just saying that Waldo wanted to sign Dunn to a one year deal, and I think that a three year deal wouldn't be too terrible. I'd be a little more prone to go with a three year deal for, say 35-40 million a little more money than a one or two year deal that that's closer to 15 million a year. I think this way it works out that Dunn gets what he wants and the Cubs organization isn't bogged down with another dumb contract in the books that can't be salvaged if needed. I personally think Dunn is worth 12-15 million a year for a few years.

 

[waldo7239117]

4 years at 60M is a deal JH will hand out. But, it won't happen because the move will have to go thru Ricketts and he will say NO.

 

[waldo7239117]

I don't doubt that for a second.

I was just saying that Waldo wanted to sign Dunn to a one year deal, and I think that a three year deal wouldn't be too terrible. I'd be a little more prone to go with a three year deal for, say 35-40 million a little more money than a one or two year deal that that's closer to 15 million a year. I think this way it works out that Dunn gets what he wants and the Cubs organization isn't bogged down with another dumb contract in the books that can't be salvaged if needed. I personally think Dunn is worth 12-15 million a year for a few years.

I was saying, that's the only offer I would offer to Dunn.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

I was saying, that's the only offer I would offer to Dunn.

How come? Is it because Hendry would absolutely butcher the contract? Because that's a legit excuse, haha.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

4 years at 60M is a deal JH will hand out. But, it won't happen because the move will have to go thru Ricketts and he will say NO.

This would be the max deal I'd offer Dunn, in the instance that Lee was not resigned and Nady was shopped in the off season. It's not completely terrible, but it could definitely be better.

 

[waldo7239117]

How come? Is it because Hendry would absolutely butcher the contract? Because that's a legit excuse, haha.

That could be one if I think about it. But, the Cubs could find a 1B in the minors that plays OF or something, so don't waste money, he K's a lot, plays no defense and hits for a low average (Def at Wriggley he will but hr will go up). Also, he will command a good amount in FA.

 

[waldo7239117]

This would be the max deal I'd offer Dunn, in the instance that Lee was not resigned and Nady was shopped in the off season. It's not completely terrible, but it could definitely be better.

Nady is a FA and I highly doubt he's on the Cubs come Sep 1st.