[A] Hawks Extend Carcillo for Two Years

[EspoForever]

Carcillo comparable to Burish?



* Burish drew penalties, Carcillo takes them (He is ALWAYS the guy cannot control himself and just HAS to selfishly punch a guy in the nose in a scrum)

* Burish also never did anything remotely as asshat worthy as what Carbomb did to Gilbert.



I cannot remember ALL the examples, but I do remember one that stands out. I was at the Isles road game. Game tied with right around 2ish min left. There's a scrum and brainiac puts himself ahead of the team punching a guy in the nose..we spend the end of the game with a shooting gallery going on in our end lucky not to lose in regulation, and when he took it an bunch of us Hawks fans in the same area were asking why, after all the times he had pulled that same knucklehead move, was he even allowed on the ice at a time like that.

 

[Ton]

16-8-4 with Carcillo in the line-up and his teammates like him, along with Q. For $825K I don't see any reason to complain... most of those PIM's are from game misconducts/fighting.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I loved Burish as a Hawk but he just sucked at hockey. Carcillo actually has skill... he's just often suspended or in the box.



Like I said, I bet this injury opens his eyes and might have been the best thing for him.

 

[supraman]

Energy player with some skill, not sure I get why people hate Carcillo, yet everyone loved Burish and Eager... what's the difference? Depending on the $$ then I'm fine with this signing.



I would like a combination of Shaw/Carcillo on the 4th line more than Burish/Eager. In a heartbeat.

First off Shaw is far better than 4th line. You stick him on the 4th line you are wasting his talent. Might as well trade him and get something for him and sign a scrub to grind the 4th line.

Carcillo comparable to Burish?



* Burish drew penalties, Carcillo takes them (He is ALWAYS the guy cannot control himself and just HAS to selfishly punch a guy in the nose in a scrum)

* Burish also never did anything remotely as asshat worthy as what Carbomb did to Gilbert.



I cannot remember ALL the examples, but I do remember one that stands out. I was at the Isles road game. Game tied with right around 2ish min left. There's a scrum and brainiac puts himself ahead of the team punching a guy in the nose..we spend the end of the game with a shooting gallery going on in our end lucky not to lose in regulation, and when he took it an bunch of us Hawks fans in the same area were asking why, after all the times he had pulled that same knucklehead move, was he even allowed on the ice at a time like that.

I have 1 question. How many times was Burish suspended? I think twice. 1 was a game instigator. The other one I think was a hit.

 

[Ton]

First off Shaw is far better than 4th line. You stick him on the 4th line you are wasting his talent. Might as well trade him and get something for him and sign a scrub to grind the 4th line.

I doubt he'll ever be a top 2 line player so I don't really think it's a waste if he's on the bottom 2 lines. I don't understand this obsession people have with prospects either playing in the top 6 or playing in Rockford. Outside of a handful of prospects, none of them will ever get a legitimate chance to crack the top 6 anyway, and I doubt Shaw is going to end up being one of them unless there is injury. It's ok to play young players on the bottom 2 lines, especially if their game is best suited for that shutdown/energy role, which Shaw is perfect for... preferably energy at this point in his career, since his decision making is questionable at best defensively right now. Hayes I think is more suited as a shutdown player for the 3rd line at this point, amazing Q doesn't see that.

 

[EspoForever]

16-8-4 with Carcillo in the line-up and his teammates like him, along with Q. For $825K I don't see any reason to complain... most of those PIM's are from game misconducts/fighting.

So if you treat OTLs as ties, 16-8-4 equals a win pct of .555

Our overall record is 37-25-8 which I worked out to .585



So the Dallas game and the Edmonton Game that Carcillo's foolishness cost is pretty much does equate to our lower win % with him playing.



RETRACTION! My BAD...I assed up the math. The win % is higher with Carcillo.... (.643)

 

[Ton]

So if you treat OTLs as ties, 16-8-4 equals a win pct of .555

Our overall record is 37-25-8 which I worked out to .585



So the Dallas game and the Edmonton Game that Carcillo's foolishness cost is pretty much does equate to our lower win % with him playing.

Not sure how you're getting that number, but win percent is win percent. 16 wins out of 28 is 57% (.571). 37 wins out of 70 games is 53% (.529) .



Not to mention, that is including games that Carcillo has played, so take out the 16-8-4, Hawks are 21-17-4 without Carcillo... an even .500 win percentage.



Points percent is a different story, perhaps that's what you meant (would make sense looking at the numbers). Either way the Hawks have won more often (and gained more points per game) with Carcillo in the line-up than they have without him... that's a fact. If you want the points percent for the Hawks without Carcillo, it's a .547 percentage compared to the .555 with him like you stated.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

I did not read peoples posts about this news, But Im sure many are not happy, but I can care less. Am I suprised? yes, IMO he earned it in my view, I think he helped out the team more then people can see aside from some bad penalities. I think he was a great spark that this team lacked. Glad we signed him.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

I'm not really sold on Bollig as a full-time roster player. I'd like to see a line of Carcillo/Mayers/Shaw as the 4th, maybe rotating Bollig in there from time to time depending on how they are playing. Knowing the way the Hawks have been working things, that will never happen.



Mayers and Oduya should be extended as well.

I have been saying it all along, they need Mayers singed also which I think they will, as far as Oduya, I think he is a great pick up, it all depends if the Hawks want to bring that contract back, what is it another year at 3.some odd dollars, might as well, are they not paying Frolik that just to sit and collect, that worthless piece of shit....money down the drain on that one thats for sure. Stans worest signing so far.

 

[EspoForever]

Not sure how you're getting that number, but win percent is win percent. 16 wins out of 28 is 57%. 37 wins out of 70 games is 53%.



Not to mention, that is including games that Carcillo has played, so take out the 16-8-4, Hawks are 21-17-4 without Carcillo... 50% wins.

Yeah I retracted my statement, sorry Ton. But 21-17 is (to me like 21-19, considering the OTLs as ties because you got 1 point.) but anyway you're right about that.



Now that I have established how bad I am at math (grin) I will make another attempt at it (Just taking Burish as an example, which admittedly is a stretch not knowing if he even WOULD sign here) but as an example, Burish has



6 goals, 11 assist, 17 points in 52 games or .327 points per game and Carcillo had 2 goals, 9 assist for 11 points in 28 games, which is .393 points per game and he spent a good deal of the season paired with Toews and Kane.



I just don't see that Carcillo brings a ton of skill when compared to other grinders that don't do the dumb things he does.



I guess I am going to have to learn to love him though.

 

[CLWolf81]

At this point, we have literally nobody other than Bollig to really "protect" our stars.



I don't exactly see Kane defending himself. Do you?



Yeah, we had to bring Carbomb back.

 

[Ton]

Yeah I retracted my statement, sorry Ton. But 21-17 is (to me like 21-19, considering the OTLs as ties because you got 1 point.) but anyway you're right about that.



Now that I have established how bad I am at math (grin) I will make another attempt at it (Just taking Burish as an example, which admittedly is a stretch not knowing if he even WOULD sign here) but as an example, Burish has



6 goals, 11 assist, 17 points in 52 games or .327 points per game and Carcillo had 2 goals, 9 assist for 11 points in 28 games, which is .393 points per game and he spent a good deal of the season paired with Toews and Kane.



I just don't see that Carcillo brings a ton of skill when compared to other grinders that don't do the dumb things he does.



I guess I am going to have to learn to love him though.

I edited the post too. You're right about the numbers if you are looking at points percentage, not win percentage. Either way the Hawks have gained more points/wins according to percentage with Carcillo than without him.

 

[Ton]

At this point, we have literally nobody other than Bollig to really "protect" our stars.



I don't exactly see Kane defending himself. Do you?



Yeah, we had to bring Carbomb back.

I think if it's about protection, Mayers is more important... but I can understand why they were able to re-sign Carcillo now considering he only has to focus on being ready for next season while the rest are still playing.

 

[R K]

Not keen on Carbomb, as that was a boneheaded play. He was even with the guy, backed off the ran in a shoved him. It was a selfish play. I feel his injury was instant karma. He didn't help his team at that point, and him sitting out, whether it was because of injury or because he was suspended, doesn't help them either. He can't be that agitator or grit from the press box.



If this experience opened his eyes, and he starts to play smarter, I will become a fan. But not until I can see him be a team player.

Disagree. Gilbert was just as much at fault. He is a team player, ask some of his team mates. The guys who actually play with him.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I doubt he'll ever be a top 2 line player so I don't really think it's a waste if he's on the bottom 2 lines. I don't understand this obsession people have with prospects either playing in the top 6 or playing in Rockford. Outside of a handful of prospects, none of them will ever get a legitimate chance to crack the top 6 anyway, and I doubt Shaw is going to end up being one of them unless there is injury. It's ok to play young players on the bottom 2 lines, especially if their game is best suited for that shutdown/energy role, which Shaw is perfect for... preferably energy at this point in his career, since his decision making is questionable at best defensively right now. Hayes I think is more suited as a shutdown player for the 3rd line at this point, amazing Q doesn't see that.

The fact of the matter is that we want them to reach their full potential. If that means getting 18 minutes a night in Rockford gives them more playing time and chances to reach that potential compared to 8 minutes in Chicago, I'm gonna put them in Rockford.

 

[R K]

First off Shaw is far better than 4th line. You stick him on the 4th line you are wasting his talent. Might as well trade him and get something for him and sign a scrub to grind the 4th line.







I have 1 question. How many times was Burish suspended? I think twice. 1 was a game instigator. The other one I think was a hit.

Shaw is a bottom 6 forward. And a very good one at that. So far.

 

[R K]

I think if it's about protection, Mayers is more important... but I can understand why they were able to re-sign Carcillo now considering he only has to focus on being ready for next season while the rest are still playing.

If they make the playoffs, and it looks like they will, Carcillo may definitely still play.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I like the signing and don't see it as such a big deal.



It's for 825K for a guy who brings grit, energy, physical play, willingness to defend teammates, and has a bit of skill. He's a 4th line guy who can step up and play on the 2nd or 3rd line when needed. Sure he's made some boneheaded plays, but he hasn't hurt the team at all considering how we were winning with him in the lineup.

 

[Ton]

The fact of the matter is that we want them to reach their full potential. If that means getting 18 minutes a night in Rockford gives them more playing time and chances to reach that potential compared to 8 minutes in Chicago, I'm gonna put them in Rockford.

Like I said, for some prospects it is necessary because they are suited for the top 2 lines... but as far as Hayes and Shaw, they're best suited for the bottom two lines anyway... that is their role and potential IMO. For McNeill, Pirri, Saad, and a handful of others I agree they need the minutes because they are not suited as bottom line players and that is not where they will find success.

 

[R K]

I have been saying it all along, they need Mayers singed also which I think they will, as far as Oduya, I think he is a great pick up, it all depends if the Hawks want to bring that contract back, what is it another year at 3.some odd dollars, might as well, are they not paying Frolik that just to sit and collect, that worthless piece of shit....money down the drain on that one thats for sure. Stans worest signing so far.

Oduya is UFA after the season is over.