[A] Is Tallon's success and nomination for GM of the Year an embarrassment to McDICK?

[fanof19]

Ignore the Luongo segment in the beginning. People all over the NHL know exactly what happened. Except people in Chicago who have to deal with McD's media blackout on the subject. That's why it was so funny that LeBrun broke the story to the team by asking Toews about how he felt when Dale signed with Florida while they were in California. Even McNumbnuts hadn't heard yet because Rocky hadn't called him to tell him. Nobody is hailing Dale, it's just when you are fired for a cause that was your assistant's responsibility, and that cause may have been done intentionally to sabotage your career for one's self promotion, well....



http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/04/stellictricity-luongos-noble-approach.html

 

[fanof19]

Unfortunately for Hawk fans I don't believe the truth is in the middle. One step further if Dudley and Tallon had NOT helped Stanley out of his mess with the Cap this team would be in a Worse situation than they are now. Those two helped aleviate a LOT of the Salary Cap issues right out of the gate.

The truth has been right out in front of everyone's faces. They just didn't want to hear it

 

[Larmer83]

I really don't think that prick could be embarrassed by anything, he believes in his own bullshit way too much. .

Bet your ass he's embarrassed. So he'll enlist help to make the organization look better.

Local Media is scared to death of being black listed to do anything rash! Cowards.

Notice the reporter that asked the question of Stan regarding Oduya? Actually, it was more of a glowing praise than a question.

 

[supraman]

I figured out how McPimp makes himself look good. First he quits the hawks, becomes president of the Panthers, fires DT, Quits the Panthers, takes his job back as president of the hawks and rehires DT. So then DT is his guy.

 

[The Count Dante]

First to qualify the below, All Hail Dale.



Second, I do understand why Dale was let go when McCub came in. Doesnt mean I like it or agree with it, but I get it.



What I will never get over is the fact that they canned him before his contract was out in the year that it was HIS team that won the Cup. They didnt even let him finish. And here he goes, with a few moves in FLA and look at where they get? FLA will no longer be a place to be born or die with Dale at the helm. Players want to have Dale around.

 

[IceHogsFan]

A couple of thoughts here;



I think the concern that I had and many others shared is that Stan was/ is underqualified to hold this position. Early on he had the back support of his father but that pony has run its course. He is now on his own and the holes we see in this team makes it clear that his bandaid type of approach of players is not working. Quite frankly, I do not have confidence in the near future for his signings. Great GM's build teams, weak GM's just sign players.



The other interesting fact is the backroom pulse of this team and players. From Stan and Bobby's mouths to a few of our ears (RK) it was not WWW's direct fault for running players out of the Blackhawks family, it was Pulford. Ironically, the same family that made the regime change now appears to be creating the exact type of enviroment that they thought they corrected with McD at the helm. One proof of that is Brian Campbell's comment of "not having to walk on eggshells" in Florida. Karma can be a *****, eh?

 

[The Count Dante]

And look what my Beloved Soul-less Ginger has done in FLA.



I wish the old man was still around now... At least i would still keep my tickets.

 

[IceHogsFan]

And here he goes, with a few moves in FLA and look at where they get? FLA will no longer be a place to be born or die with Dale at the helm. Players want to have Dale around.

And I can you for a fact that the players talk about it. They talk about Dale, they know what he does, they see what he builds, they admire and respect him and they know he can build winning teams. Not just fill out team with signings. Players talk to players on his team.



It would be interesting to see how many current players on the Blackhawks and IceHogs had been recruited, drafted or signed by Dale.

 

[The Count Dante]

Well, to me, Soup was a perfect example of the opinion of Dale. Sure, he got his Cup, but as a premier puck moving D man (I would argue top 3, but I am bias), he waives a no trade to play in Miami? That speaks volumes about Dale. While his contract did not allow him to be moved easily, Dale has no issue scooping him up while we buried a 4.3 (.5?) russian POS and they build an O system around Soup, which is what you do with a guy like that and crush it.



Once again, Dale makes a great move. If Dale rewards Weiss and Steger, Weiss's loyalty will be legendary and he will continue to stay. FLA is only a few cogs away from making FLA a bonefide powerhouse and I team to reckon with. He has a future goaltender that looks amazing and a kid coming up that Montreal tried to trade the farm for.



I see McCub ruining yet another sports team and Stan, well, I will try to keep an open mind. Post Cup year, I think he did the best job he could. I thought Montador and Brunette would pan out better then they did, and I will eat crow there and it isnt fair to play hindsight. This summer and following summer will lock my opinions of him.

 

[R K]

Really it's been rehashed over and over. There were a handful of us around at the time, warning this is where this team was going. Most brushed us off at the time and ironically, it gets further and further away from where this team was every year.



As for the time line, from the time Mcdonough was hired it speaks for itself. From the hiring of Q, only to wait until his DUI excitement disappeared, to the back dooring of Savard through to the just horrible way they treated Dale Tallon.



Then add the offer Wilson makes for Hjarlmarsson, which never should have happened and would not have happened if Tallon were still here, to all the comments made from Dudley all the way to Campell just recently.



To me, it's very sad because most of us waited SO LONG for a consistently good team, and they have almost fucked that up.

 

[roshinaya]

I will give Scooter this next year to show if he can build a winner. If it's again a first round exit then I want him and the whole front office gone. Rocky needs to realize that McD is creating a toxic environment that will in the end do no good, except McD himself and his sycophants he seemingly likes to surround himself. I hope Rocky isn't one of them. McD has nothing to do with the Hawks selling out every game, it's the product on the ice not all the silly shenanigans around it which is ultimately what McD is, a cheap circus peddler.

I want hockey people to run the organization, not some accountant.

 

[Tater]

And I can you for a fact that the players talk about it. They talk about Dale, they know what he does, they see what he builds, they admire and respect him and they know he can build winning teams. Not just fill out team with signings. Players talk to players on his team.



It would be interesting to see how many current players on the Blackhawks and IceHogs had been recruited, drafted or signed by Dale.

The team driving a couple hours from Toronto to go to Dale's fathers funeral speaks volumes on how they all felt about him.

 

[R K]

The team driving a couple hours from Toronto to go to Dale's fathers funeral speaks volumes on how they all felt about him.

Mcdonough staying on the bus says even more.



i will never forget the night before Savard being fired speaking to a very good friend of Savards, knowing it was his last game coaching the Hawks. While I don't really disagree with the move, I do disagree with how it was handled. The fact they KNEW the team was so good, and would go on a Winning streak, and at that time make it almost IMPOSSIBLE to fire a Hawk Legend running a great team, was extremely disappointing to me.



Now, most of my friends are gone. We watched the Cup, but it was built and caused by those who's time was ended by the guy that really wanted and honestly STOLE the credit.

 

[The Count Dante]

That is how i feel about Savard too. I can understand that they let him go. And i would argue that the team at that time, Savard wasnt a good fit. While I have no basis in truth or fact, to me, Savard would be an awesome coach with a squad of more vets. they were just a bunch of kids and I feel needed a different kind of coach.



But what the Back Office did, but firing him 4 games into a season is not just saying "he isnt the right guy", you trashed his whole coaching future. You trashed his system and embarassed him. They KNEW he wasnt the guy pre-season, why did they let him go into regular season at all?



This team is slowly becoming the very reason I stopped watching all other pro sports in the first place.

 

[R K]

That is how i feel about Savard too. I can understand that they let him go. And i would argue that the team at that time, Savard wasnt a good fit. While I have no basis in truth or fact, to me, Savard would be an awesome coach with a squad of more vets. they were just a bunch of kids and I feel needed a different kind of coach.



But what the Back Office did, but firing him 4 games into a season is not just saying "he isnt the right guy", you trashed his whole coaching future. You trashed his system and embarassed him. They KNEW he wasnt the guy pre-season, why did they let him go into regular season at all?



This team is slowly becoming the very reason I stopped watching all other pro sports in the first place.

100% Political. Just as when they Hired Q originally they had NO intention, nor did he, of being a scout. Unfortunately as I said he came with a very fresh DUI that had to be dealt with.



I am in firm belief they knew then exactly what they intended to do. And again I'm not sure Savard was a head coach. That said it was pretty classless either way.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

Mcdonough staying on the bus says even more.



i will never forget the night before Savard being fired speaking to a very good friend of Savards, knowing it was his last game coaching the Hawks. While I don't really disagree with the move, I do disagree with how it was handled. The fact they KNEW the team was so good, and would go on a Winning streak, and at that time make it almost IMPOSSIBLE to fire a Hawk Legend running a great team, was extremely disappointing to me. Now, most of my friends are gone. We watched the Cup, but it was built and caused by those who's time was ended by the guy that really wanted and honestly STOLE the credit.

Is this true?

 

[R K]

It's certainly not false. I hinted the night before Savard was Fired there was a crazy announcement coming. I have never really wanted to be that "guy" so I didn't come right out and say it, but there were some that questioned my cryptic message that night and asked me in IM's.



Just like Duncan Keiths elbow surgery last off season. First time it was publicly mentioned was in his presser yesterday. I talked about it many times last year. There are lots of things I know I never talk about. If the organization wanted them out they would be the ones to do it. Our Beat Writers will never ask the tuff questions, IE Josh Mora syndrome.



Can only control things so much I suppose. Dudley, Versteeg, Brouwer, Campbell have all made some very stunning comments since leaving. All of them class acts with zero ax to grind. So why would they say it if it weren't true.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

It's certainly not false. I hinted the night before Savard was Fired there was a crazy announcement coming. I have never really wanted to be that "guy" so I didn't come right out and say it, but there were some that questioned my cryptic message that night and asked me in IM's.



Just like Duncan Keiths elbow surgery last off season. First time it was publicly mentioned was in his presser yesterday. I talked about it many times last year. There are lots of things I know I never talk about. If the organization wanted them out they would be the ones to do it. Our Beat Writers will never ask the tuff questions, IE Josh Mora syndrome.



Can only control things so much I suppose. Dudley, Versteeg, Brouwer, Campbell have all made some very stunning comments since leaving. All of them class acts with zero ax to grind. So why would they say it if it weren't true.

Very true, we still never had Havlat's, "details to come later" after he was let go.



The one thing that defines this team from the one we won the cup with is that character we used to have. From the locker room and especially on the ice, remember Steeg fighting Eaves, so much grit and character from a guy who played in all situations. Ladd was EXACTLY the same way, huge in the playoffs, more grit than you could ever need, Buff not so much grit but just an unbelievable asset to this team. It is the soul reason I completely disapprove of the one dimension players such as Stalberg, Brunnette, Bickell etc.... sure Stalberg may pot 20 goals and be fast, but what else does he bring. I mean compared to the guys I just mentioned, nothing even remotely close to what they did.



And thats why this team is making tee times right now, you can't replace the multi-faceted game and intangibles brought to the table by Versteeg and Ladd with a player like Stalberg. (And before its mentioned, I don't care if he's getting paid 850k, we have space)



EDIT: Take that back about Buff, he definitely had grit. I was more speaking of the regular season where it seemed he could completely check out for the night. The comment came out very wrong.

 

[klemmer]

It's certainly not false. I hinted the night before Savard was Fired there was a crazy announcement coming. I have never really wanted to be that "guy" so I didn't come right out and say it, but there were some that questioned my cryptic message that night and asked me in IM's.

Yes you did.

 

[Rex]

Still waiting for part 2

must I do everything?



http://40yearoldnothing.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/the-rest-of-the-story/