[A] Is Tallon's success and nomination for GM of the Year an embarrassment to McDICK?

[Spunky Porkstacker]

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[supraman]

Wake me up when Florida wins a cup.

I'll wake you up in two to three years



Actually there you go, decent idea.



Say the Kittens do win the cup in those 2-3 years. Then does McPimp look like a huge jackass. Especially if we specialize in first round exits

 

[Pez68]

I'll wake you up in two to three years



Actually there you go, decent idea.



Say the Kittens do win the cup in those 2-3 years. Then does McPimp look like a huge jackass. Especially if we specialize in first round exits

Of course he looks like an idiot. That's assuming Florida can win a cup in 2-3 years, with the budget constraints that they have... I have serious doubts that Dale can replicate Chicago's success in Florida, as pretty much everyone here knows. He just doesn't have the resources at his disposal that he had in Chicago. Which is why it's so unfortunate he's in Florida, and not still in Chicago.



Here's a good question for everyone. When was the last time, since the cap was instituted, that a team won the cup that WASN'T at the cap, or at least extremly close to it? I'm betting it's never happened.

 

[the canadian dream]

Pens in 09 were around 7 million short of the cap when they won the cup. Is that far enough away of the cap? Florida right now is what around 8 mill short of the ceiling?



Don't forget the help of having two high picks in two straight years in deep drafts loaded with high talent in the top 5. It helped the Pens win that cup and the Hawks in 2010. No one can argue against that. Florida isn't going to get 2 straight years of high picks though by the looks of things. That will be why they don't win the cup in the next 2-3 years. It won't be because of them not being able to spend to the cap (but that sure the hell doesn't help them either).



I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the Ducks in 07 were close to the cap ceiling either. I may be wrong on this.



Wings were about 4 mill short of the ceiling in 08



I'm not sure about the Canes in 06 but they get a pass being the first year out of the lockout and in the new CBA and the cap crap era.



I think the Hawks and Bruins have been the only team really close to that ceiling to win the cup since the lock out. Most teams had enough space to add at least one major player. Florida wont win the cup in 2-3 years because of the spending limits AND them not having high draft picks in deep drafts with major talent available in the first rounds.



But Dale knows how to fill holes and work through trades as he proves time and time again. I think it's a success in Florida just being a consistant playoff team..Dale can do that and possibly get his team to at least a conference final some day..that would be a huge success in the cap era for a GM working in Florida.

 

[Pez68]

All of the finals teams in the last 4-5 years have been near the cap. Bruins/Canucks. Hawks/Flyers. Detroit/Pitts. Detroit/Pitts. Ducks/Senators. Canes/Oilers. All teams that spent near the cap. What's insane is looking at the teams left in the playoffs this season. Half of them spend nearly to the cap, and the other half are in the bottom 10 in the NHL... Nashville, St. Louis, Phoenix, all near the bottom. Crazy actually.

 

[Variable]

It really shouldn't take anywhere near the Panthers winning the Cup to make McDonough look like an idiot for firing Tallon. He looked like an idiot the day it happened and Junior Bowman took over, having had no experience whatsoever in that position.

 

[R K]

All of the finals teams in the last 4-5 years have been near the cap. Bruins/Canucks. Hawks/Flyers. Detroit/Pitts. Detroit/Pitts. Ducks/Senators. Canes/Oilers. All teams that spent near the cap. What's insane is looking at the teams left in the playoffs this season. Half of them spend nearly to the cap, and the other half are in the bottom 10 in the NHL... Nashville, St. Louis, Phoenix, all near the bottom. Crazy actually.

Where's the numbers to back that up? If TCD is saying the Pens were 7 mil below the year they won, that's not at the Cap. Not saying I don't agree with you, but I am saying it's not neccessarily, neccessary....



I think the thread was more to point out what Florida is DOING while what the Hawks aren't doing. Good question on who will win the Cup first. As you said the Hawks, in a hockey market, with more money to throw, should be a no brainer. Problem is are they?

 

[supraman]

Where's the numbers to back that up? If TCD is saying the Pens were 7 mil below the year they won, that's not at the Cap. Not saying I don't agree with you, but I am saying it's not neccessarily, neccessary....



I think the thread was more to point out what Florida is DOING while what the Hawks aren't doing. Good question on who will win the Cup first. As you said the Hawks, in a hockey market, with more money to throw, should be a no brainer. Problem is are they?

Yeah chicago isnt doing whatever DT says, Florida is

 

[fanof19]

Of course he looks like an idiot. That's assuming Florida can win a cup in 2-3 years, with the budget constraints that they have... I have serious doubts that Dale can replicate Chicago's success in Florida, as pretty much everyone here knows. He just doesn't have the resources at his disposal that he had in Chicago. Which is why it's so unfortunate he's in Florida, and not still in Chicago.



Here's a good question for everyone. When was the last time, since the cap was instituted, that a team won the cup that WASN'T at the cap, or at least extremly close to it? I'm betting it's never happened.

you so sure ownership won't open up their wallets now that they have had a taste of the playoffs?

 

[fanof19]

I'll wake you up in two to three years



Actually there you go, decent idea.



Say the Kittens do win the cup in those 2-3 years. Then does McPimp look like a huge jackass. Especially if we specialize in first round exits

McPimp looks like an ass every time he walks out his front door. That's because he is one......and he sucks.....

 

[Rex]

Don't forget the help of having two high picks in two straight years in deep drafts loaded with high talent in the top 5. It helped the Pens win that cup and the Hawks in 2010. No one can argue against that. Florida isn't going to get 2 straight years of high picks though by the looks of things. That will be why they don't win the cup in the next 2-3 years..

Jonathan Huberdeau and Erik Gudbranson say hello

 

[the canadian dream]

Jonathan Huberdeau and Erik Gudbranson say hello

Hello

 

[Pez68]

you so sure ownership won't open up their wallets now that they have had a taste of the playoffs?

I don't know much about their ownership but I do know that Florida is bottom of the league in attendance. It isn't a hockey market either. Is their ownership more concerned with winning or breaking even? Their salary history tells me that winning hasn't been very high on their list of priorities. Maybe that changes. Maybe not. I guess we will see.

 

[fanof19]

I don't know much about their ownership but I do know that Florida is bottom of the league in attendance. It isn't a hockey market either. Is their ownership more concerned with winning or breaking even? Their salary history tells me that winning hasn't been very high on their list of priorities. Maybe that changes. Maybe not. I guess we will see.

If you don't know much about their ownership, how do you talk of "budget constraints" and "money at his disposal" sounding as if you have knowledge or inside information?

South Florida typically supports it's college teams over ANY of it's professional sports teams. That said, attendance was up this year over prior years. Winning seemed to have helped that. Cohen is no longer the managing partner, so my guess is, that you will see some changes, as Viner wants a winner. There is a high Russian community in Miami. Russians will come to watch when the hockey is good. The surrounding communities have a high population of Canadian snowbirds. Where they have historically come to the Habs and Leaf games, again, if the Panthers are good, they come to watch hockey. Every playoff game sold out. There are hockey fans down there, you just have to give them something to watch. So....I think you will see changes in south florida, but only if it's winning. Bobbleheads and give aways don't fill seats....winning does.

 

[Pez68]

If you don't know much about their ownership, how do you talk of "budget constraints" and "money at his disposal" sounding as if you have knowledge or inside information?

South Florida typically supports it's college teams over ANY of it's professional sports teams. That said, attendance was up this year over prior years. Winning seemed to have helped that. Cohen is no longer the managing partner, so my guess is, that you will see some changes, as Viner wants a winner. There is a high Russian community in Miami. Russians will come to watch when the hockey is good. The surrounding communities have a high population of Canadian snowbirds. Where they have historically come to the Habs and Leaf games, again, if the Panthers are good, they come to watch hockey. Every playoff game sold out. There are hockey fans down there, you just have to give them something to watch. So....I think you will see changes in south florida, but only if it's winning. Bobbleheads and give aways don't fill seats....winning does.

I just have one last thing on the subject. Other professional teams in Florida thought that winning would solve the attendance issues too. How's that going for them? We will just agree to disagree I guess. I just don't see much changing as far as attendance is concerned, and I think what they spend will be tied directly to that attendance.

 

[Larmer83]

http://espn.go.com/n...nce/_/year/2010



2009-10 Panthers Average Attendance= 15,146

2011-12 Panthers Average Attendance= 16,628 (9.7% increase)



Now that's not an astronomical increase. But it's an increase. An appearance in the playoffs will allow the Panthers to see another bump in those numbers without any cheap promotional ticket sales.



****. Throw in some bobble head nights, screaming idiot fans during a between period telecast, and if they can find a wife beater statue, Florida might just be a hockey in-game viewing destination... until the Panthers asst GM can't get the qualifying offers out on time.

 

[R K]

I just have one last thing on the subject. Other professional teams in Florida thought that winning would solve the attendance issues too. How's that going for them? We will just agree to disagree I guess. I just don't see much changing as far as attendance is concerned, and I think what they spend will be tied directly to that attendance.

like who the Heat? Maybe the Lightening?

 

[Pez68]

The Heat are pretty much the only exception to that, and they have always had a team loaded with super stars, and a recent championship to boot. The Lightning just got out of the basement this season with attendance, and are a pretty poor example. They were a cap floor team the last several seasons before this one, and only Stamkos(and Yzerman) has really pulled them out of the gutter and brought them back from the dead.



How are the Rays, Marlins, Buccaneers, Dolphins, and Jaguars doing again?



Anyways, this has been beaten to death. I guess I will be pleasantly surprised if Florida actually turns their shitty organization around and has longevity there. I just feel sorry that Dale couldn't have gone up to Toronto, Montreal, or another hockey focused location, where he wouldn't be playing with a budget handicap. Going to be really difficult to build a winner through the draft in Florida. There is no Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook down there that I can see. Even with all the in house superstars on the Hawks, he still threw out a lot of money in FA....



Again, we shall see.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Actually, Tampa Bay is a great example. They only had a couple of seasons after the cup win where attendance dipped.





Tampa Bay didn't have attendance issues this season. They were nearly full or sold out for every game. Winning does help, but also having a superstar on the team helps too.

When I went to Tampa earlier this season, the game I attended was sold out (albeit it was the Blackhawks).

 

[supraman]

If you don't know much about their ownership, how do you talk of "budget constraints" and "money at his disposal" sounding as if you have knowledge or inside information?

South Florida typically supports it's college teams over ANY of it's professional sports teams. That said, attendance was up this year over prior years. Winning seemed to have helped that. Cohen is no longer the managing partner, so my guess is, that you will see some changes, as Viner wants a winner. There is a high Russian community in Miami. Russians will come to watch when the hockey is good. The surrounding communities have a high population of Canadian snowbirds. Where they have historically come to the Habs and Leaf games, again, if the Panthers are good, they come to watch hockey. Every playoff game sold out. There are hockey fans down there, you just have to give them something to watch. So....I think you will see changes in south florida, but only if it's winning. Bobbleheads and give aways don't fill seats....winning does.

I just have one last thing on the subject. Other professional teams in Florida thought that winning would solve the attendance issues too. How's that going for them? We will just agree to disagree I guess. I just don't see much changing as far as attendance is concerned, and I think what they spend will be tied directly to that attendance.

Actually winning fills the seats in Florida. You just have to keep winning to keep filling the seats. They are fickle as shit down here.