[A] Roberto Luongo: Chicago's definitely one of them

[PatrickShart]

I'm still waiting for his first round exit list...



And...if Dale trades for him with Markstrom in the fold - he's a fucking moron



The reason why Luongo is "listing" his teams....is he doesnt want to go to CLB or some other shit team (nor do I blame him)



Vancouver running him out of town, is going to regret it. Mark my words. Once he's gone...Minny will win the division

 

[the canadian dream]

And Thomas doesn't want to play anymore - that's why.

Then go after someone else who has made it to the cup final only to lose it. There are lots to chose from. Making it to the cup final doesn't make one a hall of fame goalie worth trading for. I think the main points are still being lost here. He will come at a cost. It's not really about the cap # and years..it's what the costs will be to get him (none of us know what that is including me...but it's worrisome knowing that what Florida has offered hasn't been enough according to multiple reports.



I'm not going to be sold on Lou just as I won't be able to sell those who would want him against the idea. What I see are more possible problems than possible positives and I am more concerned about center depth and the pp and even the lw than I am about goalkeeping. That's just the way I am.



If he were to come here I am still watching the Hawks and I wouldn't want to see him play poorly to prove my own points or to make the team look bad. I really don't think he's coming here anyways. Fun to talk about because of the history and the lack of respect I have for the guy...but in my gutt I don't see him coming here because of an innocent sound bite on a radio show where he is trying to improve his image and to sell himself.

 

[the canadian dream]

I'm still waiting for his first round exit list...



And...if Dale trades for him with Markstrom in the fold - he's a fucking moron



The reason why Luongo is "listing" his teams....is he doesnt want to go to CLB or some other shit team (nor do I blame him)



Vancouver running him out of town, is going to regret it. Mark my words. Once he's gone...Minny will win the division

last year dick.



I think Minny is winning the division also (they started off well last year until all hell broke loose I think Suter and Parise will stabilize them for the long season). Sedins are going to start their spiral soon and as good as Cory is I don't see him carrying a full season well for a while. When the Sedins start slipping it's trouble trouble trouble. They don't have the supporting cast up front and they sure the hell have very little in the prospect department (that's why they are looking for some through Lou).



I don't blame him for avoiding Columbus like teams either..but really now he can throw some other teams on his list other than Florida and Toronto and what now appears to be Chicago. It's a rough market for goalies as is. He isn't going to be moved until Vancouvers asking price goes down or until the season is underway and there is a clearer goalie need. Just the way I see it.



i don't think the Hawks are ready to pull a trigger yet even if it is in the back of their minds.

 

[PatrickShart]

I agree he isn't coming here...only because Gillis would be a moron to trade him here.



But who else is available? He is a MASSIVE upgrade from Crawford.



He makes the PK a ton better...which was a problem as well last year. Get him...sign a forward (Doan, Semin....and things look good)



Last years first round exit was as much of Schnieders as it was his....but more so because Sedin was out.

 

[the canadian dream]

Lets have Lou fun



Here are the teams where I think he would fair well (and I do agree that part of his problems have been the environment of the Canucks..I don't think he is a horrible goalie..I think he is over-rated that doesn't mean I think he is horrible...I don't like him as a person but that's a moot point with this).





Colorado is a good team for Lou. But Varlamov gets in the way. (Lous better)

Anaheim is a good team for Lou. But Hiller gets in the way (Lous better)

Columbus is a horrible team for any goalie (we don't need to discuss this as like you said thats not happening)

Oilers is a good team for Lou (they need a goalie NOW not later...Canucks would never trade him there and rightfully so unless return was really good)

Islanders is a good team for Lou (why not go back to the team that drafted you even though they have giant holes still)

Sharks are a good team for Lou (Is Neimi really that good? Lou is better)

Tampa is a good team for Lou (yah Lindbeck is there but can the bolts really wait on him and he still isn't signed is he?)



I think these are teams that should at least be on his list just so he can move on the Canucks can move on and just to add a little discussion. Besides the Islanders are these teams really a bad option for Lou as far as having some chances to win go? If he wants to go to a place where he can stay out of the media a bit more there are good teams here for that also (but having Toronto in discussions really trumps that idea).



Just fodder.

 

[PatrickShart]

COL - not after they gave 1st rounders for Varlomov

ANA - they have Hiller in year 2 of 3 year deal...not sure why they'd want him?

CLB...yeah...we know

EDM - No way they trade inter division....but a fit

Isles...not winning soon - don't blame LOU

SJ...I think they're focus is on Nash...not goaltending

Tampa - just traded for and signed Lindback...why would they be in the mix





You're as dumb as the day is long.....

 

[the canadian dream]

I agree he isn't coming here...only because Gillis would be a moron to trade him here.



But who else is available? He is a MASSIVE upgrade from Crawford.



He makes the PK a ton better...which was a problem as well last year. Get him...sign a forward (Doan, Semin....and things look good)



Last years first round exit was as much of Schnieders as it was his....but more so because Sedin was out.

Depends on what he could pry away from Stan. I don't think we make good trading partners with the Canucks and vice versa. Haven't been many deals with these two teams over the years. No significant ones that come to mind right away...I can't even really think of any minor ones to be honest. Maybe ones due? Don't think the two clubs have ever liked helping each other out.

 

[PatrickShart]

Hjarllmarsson, Montador, Olesz, Frolik, Hayes, Bickell, Stalberg, Crawford, Emery......would be the roster players on my list

 

[the canadian dream]

Hjarllmarsson, Montador, Olesz, Frolik, Hayes, Bickell, Stalberg, Crawford, Emery......would be the roster players on my list

Crawford would probably be going the other way as they don't have a back up for Cory who is ready yet. Hammer would be a good pick up for the Canucks and I could see him playing there. Canucks wouldn't want anything to do with Olesz, Frolik Emery and they have Bickells all ready. Hayes could be a chip. Stalbergs a wild card....never know what other GM's think about the guy even though I think he is a capable and growing lw. Could be a small bargain chip. But right now they have Booth, Higgins, Raymond and Henrik as capable lwers and Burroughs can play there too. Don't think the Canucks are too desperate for current lw roster players. They want prospects. Active roster players aren't there biggest concern unless it's blueline..that's where hammer fits in perfect.



I think Gillis would be looking more at guys like the Saad, Shaw, Mcneil as prospects. They are deeeesperate for c and wing prospects.



Im telling you it won't be as cheap as throwing out our trash like Frolik or the underachievers like Bickell. Hammer and a high pick maybe? If not it's one of our top prospects and a pick orrrr a highball like Hammer and a high prospect. Craws just going to be a throw in because he has no value if the Hawks are "upgrading". Craws stock automatically drops very low even though the Canucks have no back up..they aren't hard to find. Crawford/Schnieder would be a good young combo though in my opinion. So you never know. Weird shit happens in this league all the time.



That's the fear.

 

[PatrickShart]

The key with throwing 'trash'...isn't the cap hit. It's the $$ going other ways. 50mil would be coming to CHI....they might not want Olesz...but the 15mil he's owed (or whatever it is...him or Frolik/Monty) off sets some

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Give me a break.. Lou was not the soul reason the Canucks ran to the final last year or the reason his teams have made the playoffs the last few years that goes to the Sedins much more than him, a shitty division and an outstanding special teams (pp esp.). He was as big a factor as Niemi was when we WON it.



What has he done in Vancouver before and after that run? 1st and second round eliminations..embarrassing ones (ohhh how quickly people forget). How far did he "carry those teams"? Was so good last year he lost the position to Schnieder late in the series as the team lost confidence in him (in his defence they would have lost anyways). Schnieder has also covered unreal for him the last two years while he missed games due to injuries..so you can thank Cory for their playoff births also. In case anyone doesn't realize Lou has been suffering an ongoing groin issue since the 08/09 season which forces him to miss good stretches of the seasons now. He comes with other packages which are becoming problems. He isn't worth the gamble and he's not really that big of an upgrade over Craw (who by the way for those who have short memories outplayed Lou 2 years ago in the first round).



he also didn't help take his Canuck team to the playoffs in 07/08 and has been in the playoffs 5 times in his 11 year career (yah that includes the shitty Panther teams I know...but he was "sooo good there and one of the best goalies in the league" one would think he would at least get his team to the playoffs once...never happened.



I really don't care about the cap hit when I think about it. I don't like the guy (another point.. he does nothing in this city as far as community goes..he pisses off and hides in Florida..there are other reasons half the fan base here don't like him). And first and foremost he is def over-rated if we want to talk technical...his high glove hand is getting bad..his cross movements are slow...he can't handle a puck at all..his low game is good hes horrible at high shots (blueprints been out on Lou for a few years now and he hasn't made any adjustments). No one wants to talk about technical flaws with Lou..why is that?



Upgrades can be found elsewhere in my opinion. Give me Tim Thomas for a year then see how the goalie market is next year if it's that big of a concern. I really don't think it is a emergency myself. Center or LW holes should be filled first. AND THE POWERPLAY NEEDS TO BE WAAAAY BETTER. With Lou or not if that powerplay isn't fixed Hawks aren't better than last year...same problems will surface. Powerplay hurt this team last year in reg season and in the first round..as did losing Hossa as did many defensive brain farts...Sharp went flat...and not enough offense. Cory was guilty of bad ot games no doubt about it but he also got the Hawks into them incase anyone forgot. Lou was guilty of losing games in the playoffs too every year he has been in them.



Not a big enough upgrade...not a good personality or character...not a technically sound goalie....not a mentally strong goalie...prone to injuries and an on going groin issue...NOT A GOOD IDEA.



And no shit..he isn't a free agent. It's going to cost something to get him and it's not going to be a 4th round pick...be prepared to give up good prospects to a conference rival. Give your heads a shake.

That glove has been an issue for Greasy Bob. The Hawks were exploiting that glove hand 2 years ago when they came back from being 3 games down.



I still remember how lucky he was in the Gold metal game vs USA. He was very shaky and appeared to be having a personal meltdown from the pressure of a big game.



He can be at times really good, but I say pass.

 

[jakobeast]

Hell, PHX could use some salary right about now.

 

[R K]

Hell, PHX could use some salary right about now.

Yea I wanna pay for that alright.

 

[Ton]

I'm surprised the way this poll has turned out. Almost 50/50, I really didn't expect that.

 

[klemmer]

Last years first round exit was as much of Schnieders as it was his....but more so because Sedin was out.

Their exit in the first round was due to one Jonathan Quick, not the VCR goalies' play.

 

[sth]

TCD thank you for being the voice of reason. There is a reason Vancouver is desperate to dump this guy on anyone. Schneider is a far superior goalie already. He has covered up for Lou's many flaws. People don't like Crawford because he's too inconsistent goes through cold stretches and gives up soft goals. And that's different from Lou how? Oh that's right Lou is older and more injury prone. No thanks.

 

[xatruio]

why the **** would he want to do community work for sucha shitty town who hates after any given goal? Again i think the playoffs upsets more have to do with the team in front of him having no business hanging with the likes of the Hawks, Kings or Bruins. All three of their last three playoff losses came at the hands of the eventual champ



with a better defense he'd do well here i think, and has another good Corey to step in when he pulls a groin like Khabi did so much for us.



just playing devil's advocate i personally think crow is fine.

 

[dlrob315]

Crawford would probably be going the other way as they don't have a back up for Cory who is ready yet. Hammer would be a good pick up for the Canucks and I could see him playing there. Canucks wouldn't want anything to do with Olesz, Frolik Emery and they have Bickells all ready. Hayes could be a chip. Stalbergs a wild card....never know what other GM's think about the guy even though I think he is a capable and growing lw. Could be a small bargain chip. But right now they have Booth, Higgins, Raymond and Henrik as capable lwers and Burroughs can play there too. Don't think the Canucks are too desperate for current lw roster players. They want prospects. Active roster players aren't there biggest concern unless it's blueline..that's where hammer fits in perfect.



I think Gillis would be looking more at guys like the Saad, Shaw, Mcneil as prospects. They are deeeesperate for c and wing prospects.



Im telling you it won't be as cheap as throwing out our trash like Frolik or the underachievers like Bickell. Hammer and a high pick maybe? If not it's one of our top prospects and a pick orrrr a highball like Hammer and a high prospect. Craws just going to be a throw in because he has no value if the Hawks are "upgrading". Craws stock automatically drops very low even though the Canucks have no back up..they aren't hard to find. Crawford/Schnieder would be a good young combo though in my opinion. So you never know. Weird shit happens in this league all the time.



That's the fear.

Gillis is not dealing from a position of strength and yes, he will be looking for a Saad etc but if he deals with the Hawks, he will need to take a bad contract back too, along with a top suspect. Taking a Frolik with Crawford is not out of the question and would not be a bad move for Gillis. Gillis would be relieved of Frolik's contract in 2 yrs and Crawford's contract in 2 yrs; not a bad price to unload a 10 yr contract.

 

[Rex]

 

[Ton]

How is Crawford's contract bad? He makes $2.6m per year which is good enough for 27th highest paid goaltender. Quick re-upping would put him at 28th on the list and Howard along with Mike Smith are both looking for a new contract after this season and will slide Crawford down to 30th on the list. I think if you trade for Luongo, you convince them to take Emery in return instead of "dumping" Crawford.