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And the Nucks Captain having more diving penalties (2) than points (1) in a 7 game SCF series.
And I agree with your post 100%.
And the Nucks Captain having more diving penalties (2) than points (1) in a 7 game SCF series.
And I agree with your post 100%.
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I don't think anyone is saying he wouldn't be an upgrade over Craw. Just how much of an upgrade is the debatable point. I still recall Craw outplaying him 2 years ago in the first round so I'm not sold on the idea that Craw is done based on a couple poor ot goals against last year (wasn't the only issue in that first round) and an up and down sophomore season which isn't unusual in this league. The fear that any goalie who had a sophomore slump isn't going to find form again is always a legit fear but I don't have it to be honest.
And really can't say Lou would improve the over-all team until one saw what the costs would be going the other way. He is NOT a free agent. The ideas that a package like Frolik and Olesz would get him or something else along those lines because we all want to dump dead weight is very outlandish. Gillis may not be dealing from a point of huge power but he also isn't playing with a low hand either (thats proven by how highly some are rating Lou here). Canucks have needs and they will try to get some of those needs met the best way they can with the chip they have in play. I can assure you right now they need and want prospects. Top tier prospects. Ones I don't think the Hawks can afford.
And really can't say Lou would improve the over-all team until one saw what the costs would be going the other way. He is NOT a free agent. The ideas that a package like Frolik and Olesz would get him or something else along those lines because we all want to dump dead weight is very outlandish. Gillis may not be dealing from a point of huge power but he also isn't playing with a low hand either (thats proven by how highly some are rating Lou here). Canucks have needs and they will try to get some of those needs met the best way they can with the chip they have in play. I can assure you right now they need and want prospects. Top tier prospects. Ones I don't think the Hawks can afford.
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There's having a sophomore slump and then there's the season he had: a well below league average save percentage while facing well below league average shots per game.
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What is an acceptable variation for a sophomore slump? How does it compare with historical sophomore slumps?
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Who knows. I don't really put much stock into things like that. He faced less shots per game than he did his first season and performed worse. That's not a very good sign to me.
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To be honest, Crawford is just as mentally weak as Luongo. One soft goal and Crawford is out of it for the night. When he's on though, he can be a great goalie to have. Problem is the negatives out weight the positives lately. I don't honestly have much confidence in Crawford (or Luongo for that matter).
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To be honest, Crawford is just as mentally weak as Luongo. One soft goal and Crawford is out of it for the night. When he's on though, he can be a great goalie to have. Problem is the negatives out weight the positives lately. I don't honestly have much confidence in Crawford (or Luongo for that matter).
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Apparently not.
Could have sworn I read somewhere the Sharks were shopping Niemi.
I still go with the "we should offer Hjarlmarsson for Niemi".......
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Crawford only became mentalling eark this year, i think with the new $$ and full starter pressure for the first time in the NHL from day one of training camp. He'll be fine.
although if Niemi could come back id be allf or that, too. He works well with our team, obviously.
although if Niemi could come back id be allf or that, too. He works well with our team, obviously.
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Good point...if we are looking for mental toughness as currency, Niemi has a leg up because Finns are naturally bull-headed. I am a Finnish-American and I own that tag...grin.
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Any average goalie should "work well" with a team that only allows 24 shots on goal when he's in net.
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This is a short vs long term decision. Loungo is 33.
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2010/04/28/how-do-goalie-age-part-ii/
"Generally speaking a goalie will have his best years between ages 22 and 34 after which the drop off is fairly pronounced. This isn’t true for all goalies though as the truly elite goalies such as Roy, Belfour, Hasek and Brodeur played above their peers well beyond age 34 but for the majority of goalies it is downhill once you get past your early 30′s."
If the Hawks make a play for 7uongo, the expectation needs to be that his ass better win in the next couple of years. Also, if you want the Hawks to get Lostongo, don't start bitching about the lack of a 2nd line center or any other such addition the Hawks should make. That's it.
I'd rather see the Hawks make a play for Bernier if possible.
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2010/04/28/how-do-goalie-age-part-ii/
"Generally speaking a goalie will have his best years between ages 22 and 34 after which the drop off is fairly pronounced. This isn’t true for all goalies though as the truly elite goalies such as Roy, Belfour, Hasek and Brodeur played above their peers well beyond age 34 but for the majority of goalies it is downhill once you get past your early 30′s."
If the Hawks make a play for 7uongo, the expectation needs to be that his ass better win in the next couple of years. Also, if you want the Hawks to get Lostongo, don't start bitching about the lack of a 2nd line center or any other such addition the Hawks should make. That's it.
I'd rather see the Hawks make a play for Bernier if possible.
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Nope, and for one simple reason:
If the reason why Luongo didn't win it all is because he had very little help from his defenders, then how would he improve coming here when it's clear as crystal that our team D completely bailed on the goalie leaving a shit-ton of the high-percentage scoring chances the past 2 years?
Lou may be able to bail the team out more than Crawford, but as mentally weak as they both are (think Huet), I really don't think it will make a difference in the long run. He might be able to stop 1 or 2 shots based on a complete defensive lapse per game but when you have 4-5 of those getting through per game and the opposing team taking 3-5 whacks at the puck at the netmouth without any defender causing havoc IMHO something "weak" will get through and the entire team will disintegrate like a log cabin in Colorado.
Brookbank may have addressed some issues on paper at least, but I don't think he's the end-all-beat-all to get the blueliners back to playing defense 101--and so far nothing has been done to address the FWDs not playing any D. Couple that with the coaching staff plaing a defensive scheme that the team is incapable of handling, a GM who refuses to address the personnel issues, and a used-car salesman as a president, all we'll be doing is taking on a lot (albeit not backbreaking) salary for a lot of years wthout having addressed the root of the problem.
If the reason why Luongo didn't win it all is because he had very little help from his defenders, then how would he improve coming here when it's clear as crystal that our team D completely bailed on the goalie leaving a shit-ton of the high-percentage scoring chances the past 2 years?
Lou may be able to bail the team out more than Crawford, but as mentally weak as they both are (think Huet), I really don't think it will make a difference in the long run. He might be able to stop 1 or 2 shots based on a complete defensive lapse per game but when you have 4-5 of those getting through per game and the opposing team taking 3-5 whacks at the puck at the netmouth without any defender causing havoc IMHO something "weak" will get through and the entire team will disintegrate like a log cabin in Colorado.
Brookbank may have addressed some issues on paper at least, but I don't think he's the end-all-beat-all to get the blueliners back to playing defense 101--and so far nothing has been done to address the FWDs not playing any D. Couple that with the coaching staff plaing a defensive scheme that the team is incapable of handling, a GM who refuses to address the personnel issues, and a used-car salesman as a president, all we'll be doing is taking on a lot (albeit not backbreaking) salary for a lot of years wthout having addressed the root of the problem.
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This is not happening. Lou is hated here. The fans would hate this, and this would not be a big splash move, hence it will not be allowed no matter the trade making sense or not. End of story. It's a bad PR move and PR runs this team now.
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It's what I do. Edit, I will say that I don't hate Lou, I just hate him as a biproduct of that team. I hate canucks and he's (was) the captain of them. At the end of the day he could come here and be a great goalie, but the contract is why I would not welcome him, too much money, too much time. **** that.
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I disagree. It would be a HUGE splash move. Everyone in hockey would be watching the Hawks to see how the marriage between them an Lou works/lasts! Talk about a reality show!
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Sounds about right. I can picture all eyes being on said subject, not on anything else. McGrinch would love that.
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There is a difference between splash move and good PR. It would be a bad move. Normally you'd say all PR is good PR, but Dickhead doesn't think like that. Everyone would be making fun of the organization for this type of move. It would be a huge bad contract (whether he is good or not) which could make them cap tight and force them to not be able to resign some of their core down the road. Not to mention no one wants him here. McD loves the spotlight and the praise, his ego could not take a giant helping of "what the **** are you doing?"
Even the Huet contract which was too big at the time was a big splash because he was the best goalie on the market. But times have changed and if anything contract failure would be pushed in the organizations face as a big fat didn't you learn? At the time Huet was the best goalie available, and while Lou is top notch still at his age, I'm not so sure that's the case here considering it's a trade situation and not a FA signing. You would have to take on his horrible contract and give something good up instead of just signing a splash.
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All good points. You're right, it wouldn't be a splash, it would be a cannonball.
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