[A] Roberto Luongo: Chicago's definitely one of them

[Chief Walking Stick]

I doubt the fans would hate him if he performed well. Why do we all hate him anyways? I don't hate him... I just loved making fun of him failing against the Hawks and then cried which made it more fun to watch him fail against other teams. Guy is still a great goalie and a definite upgrade. Just not at his price/length of contract.



Having a 7uongo performance on the other hand................................

 

[MassHavoc]

All good points. You're right, it wouldn't be a splash, it would be a cannonball.

HAhAHA well put, I like that.

 

[MassHavoc]

I doubt the fans would hate him if he performed well. Why do we all hate him anyways? I don't hate him... I just loved making fun of him failing against the Hawks and then cried which made it more fun to watch him fail against other teams. Guy is still a great goalie and a definite upgrade. Just not at his price/length of contract.



Having a 7uongo performance on the other hand................................

I think you just answered you're own question, besides coming up short on several occasions, the length and size of the contract is huge, plus a fan favorite would be going back the other way. That alone would make a large segment of people pissed. You mean we gave up ............ for Lou... wtf! The only reason why the rumor to chicago is out there is because we are dumb enough to talk about it for 7 pages +. That's a good as a splash alone.

 

[LordKOTL]

The other thing to consider about this potential move: Given the size of his contract, any other holes (i.e. #2C) would be incredibly hard to fill. Even if we send Hammer (Extra D-man) and Crawford (goalie for goalie) back, that limits the amount of good but expendible pieces we could send out in a trade and we might be left having to send a key piece out to fill a hole, and likley creating another one in the process.



But hey, if he comes here I'll cheer him on since he would be a Blackhawk, but I just think overall the potential gain in this move would not be enough to offset the other issues that need addressing.

 

[MassHavoc]

Correct. It would be horrible, it would fill one hole, open another and leave less resources to fill the rest. It's a no win situation really.

 

[R K]

I disagree. It would be a HUGE splash move. Everyone in hockey would be watching the Hawks to see how the marriage between them an Lou works/lasts! Talk about a reality show!

Would be risk-Reward move. If it worked out they look brilliant, if it didnt' work out several would lose their job.

 

[R K]

I think you just answered you're own question, besides coming up short on several occasions, the length and size of the contract is huge, plus a fan favorite would be going back the other way. That alone would make a large segment of people pissed. You mean we gave up ............ for Lou... wtf! The only reason why the rumor to chicago is out there is because we are dumb enough to talk about it for 7 pages +. That's a good as a splash alone.

Reason it's 7 pages long is people are disgussing pros and cons. It would definitely make the team better as Crawford does not win games on his own. Especially last year. Lou does. Louongo > Crawford will be ever.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I think the only reason I disliked him was because he is on the Nucks and I wanted that team to collectively fail.



He's at least not a piece of shit/whiner/diver like Sedins/Kesler/Burrows etc.... the list goes on.

 

[MassHavoc]

Reason it's 7 pages long is people are disgussing pros and cons. It would definitely make the team better as Crawford does not win games on his own. Especially last year. Lou does. Louongo > Crawford will be ever.

Just because Lou > Crow does not mean that it makes this team better, it makes it worse for several reasons already stated. The huge contract in both years and dollars being one of them. Having to give something up on top of that to get him being another. Bad PR being the least of it all... the fact is, as I just stated, while Lou > Crow... This team > Without Lou. Period.

 

[R K]

Just because Lou > Crow does not mean that it makes this team better, it makes it worse for several reasons already stated. The huge contract in both years and dollars being one of them. Having to give something up on top of that to get him being another. Bad PR being the least of it all... the fact is, as I just stated, while Lou > Crow... This team > Without Lou. Period.

Who's fact, yours? I disagree and it's not fact, it's opinion.



Again its a fucking discussion, which is why it's 7 pages long. Excuse all of us that want to discuss it. Ass wipe.



As PMX stated it does make this team better. It makes the defense better, it makes the goal tending better and holy shit this team might actually have confidence in their goalie who may be able to win a game on his own from time to time.



Remind me again how many shut outs we had last year? I'll help you, zero. As for the contract, thats the draw back, but if Rocky were willing to eat the last 2-3 years of it that might not be a huge questions since of course you are going to lose a contract the other way. Economics.



Now back to telling us whats a worthy thread and whats not Mass.

 

[R K]

I think the only reason I disliked him was because he is on the Nucks and I wanted that team to collectively fail.



He's at least not a piece of shit/whiner/diver like Sedins/Kesler/Burrows etc.... the list goes on.

I'd make an "opinion" that's why a lot of fans dislike him. Just as every other player, playing there. I use Willie Mitchell as an example. I doubt it's going to happen but do serious feel it would IMPROVE this team, right now. And possibly once again make Nuck Nation hate the Hawks even more when he shoved it up their ass.

 

[the canadian dream]

I think the only reason I disliked him was because he is on the Nucks and I wanted that team to collectively fail.



He's at least not a piece of shit/whiner/diver like Sedins/Kesler/Burrows etc.... the list goes on.

What the hell are you smoking numb skull? Do you not recall the playoffs each time we faced the guy? He dives around and whines just as bad as anyone else on the Canucks (maybe not H Sedin). Wasn't it Brouwer and Buff who would brush up on the guy and he would flail around like a grenade went off? Do I really have to post the youtube clips of his career embellishments cause there are a thwack of them? Didn't he ***** and complain about Buff the year big Buff destroyed him in the playoffs? Yes he did and he started diving around like a flake to get the officials attentions. He did it in every series of their run to the final and he pissed and moaned about D Brown just these last playoffs.



You can defend him on other character traits but diving and whining you can not.



Twat.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Now I hope he comes here just to make TCD mad.

 

[R K]

Now I hope he comes here just to make TCD mad.

I don't care either way. Although I think he's an improvement that affects the team in more ways than just goal. How many times did Smith flop during the Coyotes series last year. Anyone who wouldn't take him over Crawford is nuts. Better goalie = Better Defense = more confidence. Which is why they even went to Emery for a huge chunk of games.



I've had my share of Lou moments no doubt, so much he knows me by first name, that said, if it improves the team, **** it.

 

[R K]

What the hell are you smoking numb skull? Do you not recall the playoffs each time we faced the guy? He dives around and whines just as bad as anyone else on the Canucks (maybe not H Sedin). Wasn't it Brouwer and Buff who would brush up on the guy and he would flail around like a grenade went off? Do I really have to post the youtube clips of his career embellishments cause there are a thwack of them? Didn't he ***** and complain about Buff the year big Buff destroyed him in the playoffs? Yes he did and he started diving around like a flake to get the officials attentions. He did it in every series of their run to the final and he pissed and moaned about D Brown just these last playoffs.



You can defend him on other character traits but diving and whining you can not.



Twat.

Comes with the team. Again I haven't see a game Willie Mitchell pulled that shit with the Kings since he arrived. I didn't see any of that shit with Obrien with the Avs. I tend to think its the Organization who's Owner Cries, GM Cries, Coach Cries, so obviously it's players cries.



I'd take Kessler any day of the week as well.

 

[MassHavoc]

When the **** did I say it wasn't a worthy thread? I said it was 7 pages cause we are dumb enough to talk about it for 7 pages. Just want they like. It's a fact because the economics don't make sense plus what you'd have to give up to get him doesn't make sense, you can't say he'd make the team better because he'd be an upgrade at goalie while making the rest of the team worse because you'd have to give up players, plus have less money to fill that hold plus the other holes that are still there. Crow had 4 shutouts the year before and we didn't win the cup? He took a bunch of games this year into the final minutes with shutouts and the defense let him down. I'm a huge fan of him getting more shutouts but he was still 30-17-7 last year with a 2.72 and a .903. Not too much different that Luongo's 31-14-8 2.41 .919. AND IN THE TOUGHEST DIVISION. We are talking a division that had 4 playoff teams. By the way he was 13-4-3 against the central. Lou was 7-3-3. Looking at it, you could say his biggest problems were the pacific and northwest divisions, which may be able to be contributed to the long road trips and the large losing streak. I'm not saying corey is the end all be all, but I don't think he's as bad as people thing, and I'm willing to chalk it up to a sophomore slump and give him one more year. He was great the year before and can be again. I think the Defense was a lot of the problem this year not necessarily Crow. Get him back to 2.30 .917 with 4 shutouts and we're fine in goal.

 

[the canadian dream]

Now I hope he comes here just to make TCD mad.

I have no fear of him coming to the Hawks. Cause it's not going to happen.

 

[Ton]

If he could be had for salary dumps, I'd take him. But right now it's just not worth giving up any real pieces IMO. Canucks want a return, they don't just want to dump him for nothing. I think that's the only reason I wouldn't want him, I just don't think it's worth the risk if they were to ask for someone like McNeill, Shaw, Hayes, or any combination of our prospects + an NHL seasoned player like Stalberg, Hjalmarsson, etc.



If he was an FA, different story, but having to give up assets coupled with the long-term contract that you know isn't worth it in the remaining 5 years, no way would I do this.

 

[R K]

We aren't dumb discussing it. Maybe you feel dumb, then stop discussing it. It's a very valid discussion IMO.



I thought like you did until the playoffs. Crawford single handedly lost the two games in Chicago. He gives up a soft goal it deflates the team. If you think this D had confidence in him I think you were watching another team.



His numbers were better the year before frankly because he PLAYED better.

 

[R K]

If he could be had for salary dumps, I'd take him. But right now it's just not worth giving up any real pieces IMO. Canucks want a return, they don't just want to dump him for nothing.

I'd trade Hjarlmarsson for him, IE Salary Dump. I wouldn't give any "Core" players no question.