All-purpose Alfonso Soriano Trade Speculation Thread

[Jntg4]

I thought it was 18 million and 36 million, but like Rice said ... people keep saying 19 million. Since I'm not the media, I thought they will be right and I will be wrong. But I guess we can't even trust them now.

I've seen nobody in the media make that mistake. HotStoveCubbies doesn't count waldo.

Also, Shawon_Dunston if you have me on block, don't reply to any of my threads. Thanks!

 

[Rice Cube]

Didn't even know there was a block :lol:

 

[Rice Cube]

I've seen nobody in the media make that mistake. HotStoveCubbies doesn't count waldo.

Bruce Levine messes that up all the time. It happens. The point is that Soriano is making a shitload of money.

 

[waldo7239117]

OK, I'll admit it, Wiki let me down

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_paid_Major_League_Baseball_players

 

[Rice Cube]

Use Cots or B-Ref next time, Waldo. And check the Wiki article's sources. Wiki is usually reliable but you always need to check the sources they cite.

 

[waldo7239117]

OK, yeah Wiki has always been reliable to me. I searched "the highest paid MLB players" and Wiki was the 1st link that came up, so I went with it.

 

[Jntg4]

USA Today salaries database (wiki's cited source) is BS half the time, for example, nobody honestly knows MLS salaries unless the PA releases a list, but they have all these "updated" figures in which the Fire are 4th and three teams (Montreal, Portland, Vancouver) don't exist.

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/soccer/mls/salaries/team?loc=interstitialskip

 

[2SeamHeat]

Try this next time, Waldo...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/

Used to be cot's contracts, but I guess they've move the site now.

 

[Rice Cube]

Try this next time, Waldo...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/

Used to be cot's contracts, but I guess they've move the site now.

It's the same site. The original Cots blogspot link will take you to B-Pro now.

 

[waldo7239117]

Yeah, I never thought Cots had it, but I forgot they did. I use Cots to know who is making what all the time.

 

[Shawon_Dunston]

Didn't even know there was a block :lol:

Neither did I. lol.

 

[Rice Cube]

Small consolation, but from Muskat:

Alfonso Soriano is one of six players in Major League history to reach at least 350 home runs, 400 doubles, 250 stolen bases, 1,000 RBIs and 1,000 runs scored. He joinsWillie Mays, Andre Dawson, Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez. Now in his sixth season with the Cubs, Soriano has joined Dawson as the only two players in Cubs history to reach 20 home runs in each of his first six seasons with the club. Soriano’s 158 Cubs home runs already rank 13th on the team all-time.

With 27 games still to play this season, Soriano enters Wednesday’s game with 26 home runs and 88 RBIs in 2012, identical numbers to his 2011 season-ending totals. The 88 RBIs each of his last two seasons represent his highest single-season totals with the Cubs. Soriano’s average of one home run per 18.63 at bats with the Cubs is the sixth-best mark in franchise history (minimum 100 home runs), trailing only Sammy Sosa, Hank Sauer, Hack Wilson, Aramis Ramirez and Ernie Banks.

He's been productive, just not expensive-contract productive.

 

[Rice Cube]

Caution: potential homerism and metrics galore within...

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/alfonso-soriano-is-not-overpaid/

 

[FirstTimer]

:andruw: at Soriano playing "great defense". He hasn't made an error but that doesn't really mean much seeing as he can barely get to balls.

 

[FirstTimer]

Small consolation, but from Muskat:



He's been productive, just not expensive-contract productive.

I would' really consider it consolation at all. The career cumulative numbers are nice I guess, however most of them were put up before he got to Chicago. Even the home run total, more than half of that was before he was a Cub. It's kind of like taking consolation in the fact that Willie Mays reached some absurd jumble of arbitrary numbers when he was a met. It's a nice trivia piece but it really doesn't mean a hell of a lot. And of those guys he's listed with Soriano is easily the worst player and worst statistically of the bunch.

Meh.

 

[Rice Cube]

He actually did make an error last night or the night before (first of the season, I lost track of games) but I agree that the defensive metrics are way too kind to Soriano.

 

[2SeamHeat]

:andruw: at Soriano playing "great defense". He hasn't made an error but that doesn't really mean much seeing as he can barely get to balls.

And yet... he's second only to Braun in outs made in LF amongst NL qualifiers... Braun holds 6 errors at the position. That pretty much debunks the theory that Soriano can't get to balls. He gets to more than just about everyone else at his position in the NL.

Here's your run down entering today's games:

Braun - 242 PO, 6 A, 248 total outs, 1 DP, 6 E, 1102.1 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .225 with a fielding % of .976
Soriano - 211 PO, 10 A, 221 total outs, 4 DP, 1 E, 991 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .223 with a fielding % of .995
Cabrera - 185 PO, 6 A, 191 total outs, 3 DP, 4 E, 898 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .213 with a fielding % of .979
Ludwick - 173 PO, 0 A, 173 total outs, 0 DP, 1 E, 823.1 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .210 with a fielding % of .994
Prado - 165 PO, 9 A, 174 total outs, 1 DP, 3 E, 884.2 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .197 with a fielding % of .983
Pierre - 135 PO, 1 A, 136 total outs, 0 DP, 1 E, 692.2 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .196 with a fielding % of .993
CarGo - 188 PO, 7 A, 195 total outs, 0 DP, 4 E, 1052.2 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .185 with a fielding % of .980
Kubel - 163 PO, 11 A, 174 total outs, 2 DP, 1 E, 944.1 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .184 with a fielding % of .994
Holliday - 190 PO, 6 A, 196 total outs, 1 DP, 3 E, 1113.1 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .176 with a fielding % of .985
Martinez - 124 PO, 6 A, 130 total outs, 0 DP, 1 E, 773 Innings, Out/Inning rate of .168 with a fielding % of .992

Strictly from Out/Inning rates the only guy who competes with Soriano defensively in LF in the NL this year is Braun. So, let's take that comparison deeper. Let's remove the errors from the total outs. Braun has 6 E, which would give him 242 total outs and a new rate of .220 Out/Inning. Soriano has had 1 E, which would give him 220 total outs and a new rate of .222 Out/Inning. In other words, Soriano us the better defender in LF this year in terms of making plays.

Let's look even deeper. The Cubs have a 1.23 GB/FB ratio... where as the Brewers have a 1.17 GB/FB ratio. In other words, the Cubs allow fewer FBs than than the Brewers have... thus Soriano would have a smaller opportunity to make plays.

Despite popular belief of those not really paying attention, Soriano has been the top defender in LF amongst NL qualifiers this season.

 

[Rice Cube]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=24560111&c_id=mlb

He's making a late campaign :lol:

 

[dabears253313]

Alfonso Soriano is extremely underrated and one of the biggest reasons (if not, possibly the biggest reason) why the Cubs went to the playoffs in 2007 and 2008. He was an all star his first two seasons with the Cubs, then injuries plagued him. He has been healthy this year and he is leading the team in home runs and will most likely get 100+ rbis.

How the media and fans have treated him is mind boggling.

 

[Rice Cube]

Alfonso Soriano is extremely underrated and one of the biggest reasons (if not, possibly the biggest reason) why the Cubs went to the playoffs in 2007 and 2008. He was an all star his first two seasons with the Cubs, then injuries plagued him. He has been healthy this year and he is leading the team in home runs and will most likely get 100+ rbis.

How the media and fans have treated him is mind boggling.

It happens. Nowadays the narrative is that he's putting up stats when it doesn't matter. Well, it does kind of matter because now we're trying to trade the guy