All purpose Garza/Dempster trade thread

[dabynsky]

Moving the discussion back to the original topic. I found this interesting chat Bruce Levine had yesterday where he talks about some of the guys the Cubs might/are targeting:

Dan (Miami)

What are the cubs able to do to improve pitching? I just don't believe we have anyone except for Garza, and he might be traded, and our farm system is weak and there isn't a FA that impresses me.

Bruce Levine
(1:12 PM)

You've hot on something that the front office has also identified. They don't have enough starting pitching at the major league level or the minors. That's why they talked about trading Garza, to increase their inventory. It sounds backward but if you identify top pitchers like Kyle Drabek and Deck McGwire then you have to listen. They might be the aces fo your staff for the next 6-7 years. That's what the Cubs are doing right now.


Matt (Chicago)

Bruce, if they are looking at a young CF from the Jays, who? and where does that leave BJAx?

Bruce Levine
(1:15 PM)

They are looking at Jake Marisnick, a power-hitting outfielder who also runs well even though he is 6-4. The other guy would be Anthony Gose, a true center fielder. These are the type of guys who would have to come back in a deal for Garza.

The bolded part was the most interesting I thought since it makes it sound pretty clearly like this is a guy the Cubs would target in a Blue Jays trade for Garza.

 

[Rice Cube]

I think some or all of those guys are in Sickels' list of top Jays prospects.

 

[dabynsky]

I think some or all of those guys are in Sickels' list of top Jays prospects.

They all are (except for Drabek who no longer counts as a prospect). Most of it seems to be pure speculation on Levine's part. I just found it interesting how he specifically mentioned Marisinick as a guy they are looking at it. Combine that with the other various tweets saying the Cubs are prioritizing pitching, and I think you can start to get an idea what a Garza to the Jays trade might look like.

 

[Rice Cube]

I think Garza is a really good pitcher but he's also entering his age 28 season and he'll get expensive with only two more arbitration years as well. So that will temper some of his trade value, though I'm not sure how much. I think Garza can get maybe two off that list and then some filler, but not much more, to be honest. Which would probably piss Cubs fans off because they expect an army of prospects in return :lol:

 

[dabynsky]

I think Garza is a really good pitcher but he's also entering his age 28 season and he'll get expensive with only two more arbitration years as well. So that will temper some of his trade value, though I'm not sure how much. I think Garza can get maybe two off that list and then some filler, but not much more, to be honest. Which would probably piss Cubs fans off because they expect an army of prospects in return :lol:

Yeah I don't think we will get Drabek, McGuire, Marisinik, plus. However, getting a top 10 pitcher with Marisinik and another guy lower in the list or in the also rans doesn't seem unreasonable given the trades made earlier this offseason and what the Cubs gave up to get Garza last year. Though if the Yankees get serious about this perhaps a good old fashioned bidding war might happen for the AL East proven Garza (since apparently that matters to those teams for some reason).

 

[Rice Cube]

I think if the Cubs assume that Brett Jackson and Szczur are their guys for the future, they don't need as much OF depth and they should concentrate on trying to rip some pitchers away from Toronto. That list Sickels had was full of awesome pitching.

 

[Captain Obvious]

https://twitter.com/#!/MLBInsideNews/status/152256776505532418

Not sure if this is true, but if so... HOLY SHIT! I'm getting hard just thinking about it.

 

[Rice Cube]

https://twitter.com/#!/MLBInsideNews/status/152256776505532418

Not sure if this is true, but if so... HOLY SHIT! I'm getting hard just thinking about it.

Who is this guy, and why should we believe him?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Who is this guy, and why should we believe him?

His name is Scott Swaim. Don't believe him, doesn't bother me. I'm just saying that it is a possibility. He very well could be some dude trying to become the next Kapman. But he could have a legit source.

 

[AddisonStation]

What's that link say? I cant get it to work for some reason.

 

[Rice Cube]

What's that link say? I cant get it to work for some reason.

@MLBInsideNews
Scott Swaim
Banuelos IS in the package being talked about for Garza, says a Cubs source. #Cubs #Yankees


Should be interesting if he's right.

 

[AddisonStation]

Never mind, I saw that tweet already. If they Yanks and Jays are legitimately serious, one of them will overpay for Garza.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Bye to Garza soon.

 

[dabynsky]

Well if Banuelos is in a Yankee package, I am going to guess that is moving New York into the lead. The same guy is saying that today is going to be the day Garza is traded. So I guess we won't have to wait to see how credible he is on this one at least.

 

[FirstTimer]

Is it really fair to judge a prospect off of what they have done in a short amount of time in the big leagues? I mean they are prospects after all. That being said, I agree except with Brett Lawrie. Brett Lawrie is a stud.

Yes.

Within reason and context. It's obviously part of the evaluation process.

STFU.

I'm really wondering if we could be able to trade McNutt or Cashner as a center piece for Rizzo. If the Theo Administration views Cashner as a RP, I think it'd be a good deal. As for McNutt, I'm convinced he's just a Mark Prior, minus the success, in the waiting.

If Theo could pull this off I'd lulz.


McNutt isn't even Prior. He doesn't have that kind of stuff. McNutt should be a bullpen arm. I've always said he'd make a great closer prospect, reminds me a lot of Papelbon actually. As a starter he reminds me a shit ton of AJ Burnett and Josh Beckett.....the bad versions.

 

[dabynsky]

Yes.

Within reason and context. It's obviously part of the evaluation process.

STFU.


If Theo could pull this off I'd lulz.


McNutt isn't even Prior. He doesn't have that kind of stuff. McNutt should be a bullpen arm. I've always said he'd make a great closer prospect, reminds me a lot of Papelbon actually. As a starter he reminds me a shit ton of AJ Burnett and Josh Beckett.....the bad versions.

Is McNutt's stuff even close to as good as the bad versions of Burnett and Beckett? I just never thought his stuff translated to anything more than a middle of the rotation guy at best. Mix in the arm issues, and his stock is crashing as fast as it rose the year before.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Usually a guy like Mark Prior has success.

Pretty simple.

 

[waldo7239117]

I say there's a very good chnace Gara is traded before the New Year. Today could be the day too.

 

[AddisonStation]

I say there's a very good chnace Gara is traded before the New Year. Today could be the day too.

Could be. I hope they hold firm on their demands and walk away if they do not get what they want though.

They could just as easily hold a team hostage at the deadline.

 

[dabynsky]

Could be. I hope they hold firm on their demands and walk away if they do not get what they want though.

They could just as easily hold a team hostage at the deadline.

I agree that they should stand firm, but I am not so certain that they can hold a team hostage at the deadline. For one thing the odds are that at least one of the suitors maybe two (NYY, BOS, and TOR) will be out of it by the deadline which removes a lot of the leverage the Cubs have right now in the idea that if they don't ante up their division rival will get him. Also part of the selling point with Garza is having two years of team control. It is certainly possible that they could get an equal, or even more, return at the deadline, but I think there are pretty unique circumstances that make now the time to trade Garza.