Anthony Rizzo guarantees....

[JosMin]

What is your deal, man. I asked why the Cubs are a playoff team. That is a legitimate question; nothing mean spirited. What does the White Sox lineup have to do with anything?


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You ride everyone in the Cubs forum for being positive about current roster construction, the leadership of Rizzo and the fact he's embracing being the face of the team, the additions of Lester and Maddon, and all the young talent waiting in the wings.... and I'm posing you the same question. I've answered why I feel like the Cubs have the potential to challenge for a playoff spot this year seven trillion times, but instead of reading it, you continue to smear you dong on everyone for being excited about the upcoming season. Like your assuming that the White Sox have a lot more "answers" than questions. Read my post again -- was what I said a lie? So again, how on Earth could you possibly think they're in a better position to contend for a playoff spot than the Cubs? You guys always seem to gloss over that.

Most of us feel like the Cubs can contend for a playoff spot because --

**Anthony Rizzo has embraced being the face of this franchise and has the attitude and play to back it up.
**The addition of a two-time World Series Champion to lead the rotation.
**A manager who's lauded for being the ultimate people person. A guy who can manage egos, has worked with a limited payroll and has the respect of his peers.
**A solid bullpen who strikes guys out and doesn't blow games.
**An offensive upgrade behind the plate and a guy who's miles better calling games and framing pitches.
**Full seasons of Baez, Alcantara, Hendricks and Soler. Oh yeah, and some guy named Kris Bryant.
**Tons of trade assets to pull the trigger on a deal at the deadline to improve any glaring needs that does nothing to damage the 25-man roster.

So yeah, we have a lot to be excited about. Sorry if it comes off as being a 'bunch of homers'. I forgot, this is the 'Cubs forum' right?

 

[JosMin]

So someone states something about the cubs roster and you turn it into a sox/cubs debate? and yet when things get out of hand in your sensitive eyes you close the threads? Just weak.

I answered the question. I'm not turning this into a Cubs/Sox thing. My question is why do you guys smear your dick on the Cubs and the people on this forum being excited about the prospect of contending for a playoff spot when the White Sox are just as far away from being a sure thing? I posed a question. It was a baseball question. It wasn't malicious. I asked a question -- if the Cubs aren't a "sure thing", then why are the White Sox when they have just as many, if not more, concerns than the Cubs?

 

[ChiSoxCity]

You ride everyone in the Cubs forum for being positive about current roster construction, the leadership of Rizzo and the fact he's embracing being the face of the team, the additions of Lester and Maddon, and all the young talent waiting in the wings.... and I'm posing you the same question. I've answered why I feel like the Cubs have the potential to challenge for a playoff spot this year seven trillion times, but instead of reading it, you continue to smear you dong on everyone for being excited about the upcoming season. Like your assuming that the White Sox have a lot more "answers" than questions. Read my post again -- was what I said a lie? So again, how on Earth could you possibly think they're in a better position to contend for a playoff spot than the Cubs? You guys always seem to gloss over that.

Most of us feel like the Cubs can contend for a playoff spot because --

**Anthony Rizzo has embraced being the face of this franchise and has the attitude and play to back it up.
**The addition of a two-time World Series Champion to lead the rotation.
**A manager who's lauded for being the ultimate people person. A guy who can manage egos, has worked with a limited payroll and has the respect of his peers.
**A solid bullpen who strikes guys out and doesn't blow games.
**An offensive upgrade behind the plate and a guy who's miles better calling games and framing pitches.
**Full seasons of Baez, Alcantara, Hendricks and Soler. Oh yeah, and some guy named Kris Bryant.
**Tons of trade assets to pull the trigger on a deal at the deadline to improve any glaring needs that does nothing to damage the 25-man roster.

So yeah, we have a lot to be excited about. Sorry if it comes off as being a 'bunch of homers'. I forgot, this is the 'Cubs forum' right?

Everyone in Chicago is excited for the Cubs, including many Sox fans. I think you misunderstand what I'm saying though. A young team usually needs more than a year or two to develop into a playoff team. It doesn't mean they won't get there sooner, or that people can't be excited about the potential that is CLEARLY THERE.

My reasoning is this: the Rays, Orioles, Nats, Rangers, Royals, Pirates, Reds, Phillies and Brewers all built teams mostly with homegrown talent recently. They all needed atleast two years to get to the post season. It's going to require even more patience and careful analysis than the Cubs have shown in accumulating all those prospects to make this work.

I think the Cubs have a few more moves to make before they get there. They will also need time to develop some players and figure out who the keepers are. Some guys will need to be sent back down to the minors, and some of your prospects will need to be traded. So realistically, 2015 will probably be a much needed developement year for the Cubs. The 2015 roster moves should set the stage for a championship run in 2016 for the Cubs, imo.


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[DewsSox79]

I answered the question. I'm not turning this into a Cubs/Sox thing. My question is why do you guys smear your dick on the Cubs and the people on this forum being excited about the prospect of contending for a playoff spot when the White Sox are just as far away from being a sure thing? I posed a question. It was a baseball question. It wasn't malicious. I asked a question -- if the Cubs aren't a "sure thing", then why are the White Sox when they have just as many, if not more, concerns than the Cubs?

He simply was talking about the cubs, it makes no sense to bring the sox up none at all. This is on you.

If you were smart you would actually debate his post without bringing the sox into it. It is quite simple. You deflected plain and simple

 

[Parade_Rain]

I'll tell you why the Sox are more of a sure thing---starting pitching. Besides that, the rest of the AL Central is weaker. KC...need to know who the replacements are for a couple of players. Detroit? I have a strong feeling they are on their way back down. Twinkies aren't there and neither are the Indians. So it's a KC/Sox division. At least prior to April and I reserve the right to be wrong.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I'll tell you why the Sox are more of a sure thing---starting pitching. Besides that, the rest of the AL Central is weaker. KC...need to know who the replacements are for a couple of players. Detroit? I have a strong feeling they are on their way back down. Twinkies aren't there and neither are the Indians. So it's a KC/Sox division. At least prior to April and I reserve the right to be wrong.

Way off topic here, but the Indians have a good club man. I think you're severely underestimating them.


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[DewsSox79]

I'll tell you why the Sox are more of a sure thing---starting pitching. Besides that, the rest of the AL Central is weaker. KC...need to know who the replacements are for a couple of players. Detroit? I have a strong feeling they are on their way back down. Twinkies aren't there and neither are the Indians. So it's a KC/Sox division. At least prior to April and I reserve the right to be wrong.

It is a tough call.

Detroit should have won the WS a couple years ago when we decided to choke the division away.

It sure seems hard to win a world series. We have 2 teams in Chicago and we have how many total titles since 1908 combined? Sad. It really gets me going when the marlins win 2 in 10 years, the cards like every year with a lot of retreads and the fucking Giants.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Ernie's alive

Nwfisch sighting! This thread has been a success.

 

[JosMin]

Everyone in Chicago is excited for the Cubs, including many Sox fans. I think you misunderstand what I'm saying though. A young team usually needs more than a year or two to develop into a playoff team. It doesn't mean they won't get there sooner, or that people can't be excited about the potential that is CLEARLY THERE.

My reasoning is this: the Rays, Orioles, Nats, Rangers, Royals, Pirates, Reds, Phillies and Brewers all built teams mostly with homegrown talent recently. They all needed atleast two years to get to the post season. It's going to require even more patience and careful analysis than the Cubs have shown in accumulating all those prospects to make this work.

I think the Cubs have a few more moves highestto make before they get there. They will also need time to develop some players and figure out who the keepers are. Some guys will need to be sent back down to the minors, and some of your prospects will need to be traded. So realistically, 2015 will probably be a much needed developement year for the Cubs. The 2015 roster moves should set the stage for a championship run in 2016 for the Cubs, imo.


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I personally think the Cubs have another trade brewing.... Castillo is clearly out the door with the addition of Montero and there's a glut of would-be fifth starters that makes at least one of them expendable. Even a slight upgrade in the rotation would be nice. I've been a fan of the Cubs going after another frontline starter, but I personally think they'll have the inside track on David Price this offseason. The Tigers seem like they're coming apart at the seams. And who knows, maybe the Cubs could land Price and parlay other assets into a frontline starter after the 2015 season. Again -- they have plenty of options. And that's never a bad thing.

I really liked the Fowler upgrade in center -- he reminds me of what the Sox expect from Eaton in terms of OBP and the ability to work counts. I don't see him as a part of their future, and if they keep him all season, they can land a compensatory pick if he signs elsewhere. Which could potentially offset the Cubs giving up a pick if they go after an A-tier free agent.

Trust me, I understand what you're saying in terms of development. I feel like the ascension of Castro and Rizzo, as well as the additions of Fowler and Montero, are going to help guys like Soler, Baez, Alcantara and Bryant after he gets called up. I feel like, other than many of the other teams you mentioned, the Cubs actually have the ability to remain competitive while they develop players. Many other teams don't bring up so many high-ceiling guys at once, so if those guys does catch hot streaks or prove to be adequate from the jump, they could force themselves into the conversation sooner rather than later.

 

[JosMin]

He simply was talking about the cubs, it makes no sense to bring the sox up none at all. This is on you.

If you were smart you would actually debate his post without bringing the sox into it. It is quite simple. You deflected plain and simple

So, what's this????

You ride everyone in the Cubs forum for being positive about current roster construction, the leadership of Rizzo and the fact he's embracing being the face of the team, the additions of Lester and Maddon, and all the young talent waiting in the wings.... and I'm posing you the same question. I've answered why I feel like the Cubs have the potential to challenge for a playoff spot this year seven trillion times, but instead of reading it, you continue to smear you dong on everyone for being excited about the upcoming season. Like your assuming that the White Sox have a lot more "answers" than questions. Read my post again -- was what I said a lie? So again, how on Earth could you possibly think they're in a better position to contend for a playoff spot than the Cubs? You guys always seem to gloss over that.

Most of us feel like the Cubs can contend for a playoff spot because --

**Anthony Rizzo has embraced being the face of this franchise and has the attitude and play to back it up.
**The addition of a two-time World Series Champion to lead the rotation.
**A manager who's lauded for being the ultimate people person. A guy who can manage egos, has worked with a limited payroll and has the respect of his peers.
**A solid bullpen who strikes guys out and doesn't blow games.
**An offensive upgrade behind the plate and a guy who's miles better calling games and framing pitches.
**Full seasons of Baez, Alcantara, Hendricks and Soler. Oh yeah, and some guy named Kris Bryant.
**Tons of trade assets to pull the trigger on a deal at the deadline to improve any glaring needs that does nothing to damage the 25-man roster.

So yeah, we have a lot to be excited about. Sorry if it comes off as being a 'bunch of homers'. I forgot, this is the 'Cubs forum' right?

 

[ChiSoxCity]

It is a tough call.

Detroit should have won the WS a couple years ago when we decided to choke the division away.

It sure seems hard to win a world series. We have 2 teams in Chicago and we have how many total titles since 1908 combined? Sad. It really gets me going when the marlins win 2 in 10 years, the cards like every year with a lot of retreads and the fucking Giants.

Uh, that would be 2 WS Championships since 1908, courtesy of the Sox [emoji12] We'd have four rings since 1908 if not for them throwing the 1919 WS, and the lockout in 1994.


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[JosMin]

Uh, that would be 2 WS Championships since 1908, courtesy of the Sox [emoji12] We'd have four rings since 1908 if not for them throwing the 1919 WS, and the lockout in 1994.


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I think we would've had an all-Canada WS in '94. Thinking about that season fucking sucks.... Tony Gwynn had an outside shot at .400, Matt Williams had a realistic shot to surpass 61 homers. And then we get the fucking lockout. Oh well, good thing steroids saved the sport four years later :lol:

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Uh, that would be 2 WS Championships since 1908, courtesy of the Sox [emoji12] We'd have four rings since 1908 if not for them throwing the 1919 WS, and the lockout in 1994. Where would this town be without MJ?


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[ChiSoxCity]

I think we would've had an all-Canada WS in '94. Thinking about that season fucking sucks.... Tony Gwynn had an outside shot at .400, Matt Williams had a realistic shot to surpass 61 homers. And then we get the fucking lockout. Oh well, good thing steroids saved the sport four years later :lol:

Yeah, it fucking sucked. The lockout year was a low point for me.


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[SilenceS]

Yeah, everybody's dumb if they're not drinking the koolaid.

The fact that you don't know how to answer my question speaks volumes.


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If you ever re read your posts, you may understand. I hope you are a teenager.

 

[2323]

Thin skinned, aren't we. Saying anything besides "the Cubs are a playoff team this year" is trolling to you.


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I call you trolls because you're trolls. It's not so dependent on specific things you say. You're trolls because you're more dedicated to a forum about a team you allegedly dislike than the team you allegedly do like. What makes you troll, and also probably not really a sox fan, is the frequency and abundance with which you post in the Cubs forum.

I spelled it out for you earlier. If you want to prove you're not a troll, stop posting in the Cubs forum.

 

[2323]

Uh, that would be 2 WS Championships since 1908, courtesy of the Sox [emoji12] We'd have four rings since 1908 if not for them throwing the 1919 WS, and the lockout in 1994. Where would this town be without MJ?


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Stop pretending that you're not a troll.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I call you trolls because you're trolls. It's not so dependent on specific things you say. You're trolls because you're more dedicated to a forum about a team you allegedly dislike than the team you allegedly do like. What makes you troll, and also probably not really a sox fan, is the frequency and abundance with which you post in the Cubs forum.

I spelled it out for you earlier. If you want to prove you're not a troll, stop posting in the Cubs forum.

What you can't seem to understand, is that some people actually love baseball, and love talking about baseball. I'm a Sox fan and a baseball fam, just like Dews and Brett. That may be confusing to a Cubs fan who gives two shits about other teams, but there is no agenda. Call it a hobby.


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[Zvbxrpl]

Ok, why do you think they COULD be a playoff team?


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They can be because baseball is so unpredictable, and there are 162 games. Say Wainwright for the Cards gets TJ symptoms again, and say in.....early May--for sake of argument--he gets shut down. Does that big time diminish the Cards' chances of 1st place?

Yes.

Same for the Brewers with Gallardo. And Pirates with Gerrit Cole.

They can because they they have improved their starting pitching, and if continuing trends go up (Arrieta, Hendricks), a very, VERY pedestrian rotation (post-Shark trade) now looks above average. A major difference. They're still missing that ace-potential piece in the pipeline--which I think will bite them in the ass and they'll be forced to trade for one when they have had their prime chances in previous drafts.

They can because now they're getting rid of career utility/bench players--or the guys you put out there to intentionally tank--and getting starters. Louis Valbuena? An overachieving bench player at best. Justin Ruggiano? Career turd. Darwin Barney? Garbage. (Soon to be) Wellington Castillo? Bigger garbage who is the worst catcher I've ever seen call a game.

Montero is a major upgrade on both batting and calling a game. La Stella has a far better bat than Barney and plus defense. Dexter Fowler far superior to Rug.

Get Coghlan and Olt out of there and they begin to look less like a cupcake AAA team and now they're cooking with fire.

But......

I don't think they will be a playoff team this year. Too many question marks. They still need help driving in runs. Rizzo and Castro I'm confident in being consistent. But the expectations of these spects to come up and dominate? Some people get giggly, and that's okay--this team has flat out sucked intentionally, embarrassing this city and the very stupid fan base that watches them--

But they need something to cheer for. But Bryant cant be expected to show up on Opening Day or in May and be a .330 hitting, 35 HR, 100 RBI guy. Nor Russell. Nor Schwarber. They gotta be worked in and have all the pressure taken off. They also gotta work for it. They will be successful right away, but that's always fool's gold. Opposing pitching WILL adjust to them.

To me, they needed a big bat. Nelson Cruz batting 5th or 6th depending on Soler would have been just that.

They also still have no TOR piece. CJ Edwards and his shoulder cannot be counted on. Future closer to an already fantastic bullpen? Yes. Future ace? No. The guy can't last longer than 4 innings and 60 pitches. But till then, he's stellar.

I think this is the year Theo realizes that when the 4-5 of Hammel/Wada/Wood/Turner/Beeler/Doubrount/Ejax struggles, because unless Beeler or Turner just figures it out--they wont I'll bet, but I can hope--and you gotta dip into the minors for that first opportunity guy--there won't be one unless Edwards climbs ridiculous odds, or they find the next Johan Santana from a rule 5 draft somewhere......

They won't miss by much this year. Probably 6-8 games behind 1st place. I have them at 80 wins +/- 2 wins.

 

[2323]

What you can't seem to understand, is that some people actually love baseball, and love talking about baseball. I'm a Sox fan and a baseball fam, just like Dews and Brett. That may be confusing to a Cubs fan who gives two shits about other teams, but there is no agenda. Call it a hobby.


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What a bunch of crap followed up with a bold-aced lie.

Why don't you just be honest with yourselves and ditch the sox for the Cubs, since that's who you're all infatuated with.