Are Jenkins/Borom not our starting tackles?

[pinkfloydster]

New GM, new vision. Apparently he likes Jenkins, but not sure he's a LT. Apparently does NOT like Borom.

That's what we're operating off of.

That was from an article from a reporter who has no history of having special insight from the Bears' locker room. I think it is entirely false.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

That was from an article from a reporter who has no history of having special insight from the Bears' locker room. I think it is entirely false.

And you would be incorrect about that.

 

[greg23]

I know Poles didn't have final say in KC but I find it interesting that in a year where that team needed OL help (2021) they ended up drafting two of them (one early and one late) and passed on BOTH Jenkins and Borom multiple times.

My guess is he's fine with Jenkins at RG/RT but likely sees Borom as the wrong fit for the "smaller/athletic" type of lineman he wants in a zone blocking scheme. He'll likely be given a chance (at guard is my guess) but is probably currently viewed as a backup/cut candidate.

 

[Nelly]

Jenkins is in at LT/RT, depending on what happens in FA. Borom is likely our swing tackle. POles has been reported in saying this exact thing.

Poles is rumored to be going after Armstead, perhaps rightfully (at least from a position standpoint). Jenkins' best position is right tackle .

I think oft-overlooked is the need to have talent in the pipeline. Borom was never drafted to be an instant starter and he may have looked better than he was compared to the relative lack of talent we had otherwise. He's got a place in the NFL for sure but I don't know if I want to rely on him to be a starter next year.

If we sign a LT (Armstead/Fisher/Turner) and another guard then we go into the season with a solid, mostly veteran offensive line with at least one good prospect in the pipeline (Borom) and then hopefully Poles drafts another (likely interior) guy. That would be an immensely better position on the line than we were in last year and we wouldn't feel like Fields' days are numbered if only one guy gets hurt.

 

[BearsFan51]

That was from an article from a reporter who has no history of having special insight from the Bears' locker room. I think it is entirely false.

So Borom lasted until the fifth round because? The Chiefs were desperate for offensive lineman last year and drafted arguably the best center in the league last year and you're still in love with Pace's guy because Hub Arkush pumped him to everyone.

 

[BearsFan51]

Y'all forget that Borom only played last year because there were so many injuries. It's not like he came in and nailed down a starting job because of his ability, he's played out of necessity.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So Borom lasted until the fifth round because? The Chiefs were desperate for offensive lineman last year and drafted arguably the best center in the league last year and you're still in love with Pace's guy because Hub Arkush pumped him to everyone.

The Chiefs drafted Humphrey in the 2nd round.

 

[pinkfloydster]

So Borom lasted until the fifth round because? The Chiefs were desperate for offensive lineman last year and drafted arguably the best center in the league last year and you're still in love with Pace's guy because Hub Arkush pumped him to everyone.

I'm not in love with the guy. It's really hard to assess offensive line play with the camera angles we are given. So, I don't know. I think we can take it at face value that the PFF score of 61.4 is pretty accurate. Doesn't seem out of line with what we saw. Not bad for a rookie, who was playing under stressful circumstances for various reasons.

I think you can safely assume right now that Poles looked at his film thoroughly and he is good at assessing offensive line talent given his background. He has either concluded that we need a starting tackle to replace him, and has gotten unlucky in free agency. Or he thinks Borom is acceptable and put signing a tackle as less of a priority. It's interesting to note that Mustipher's replacement was among the first things Poles' has done.

I think Borom fell in the draft because he was way overweight while playing. So, his film looked less than ideal. And less than ideal gets you drafted in the 5th round.

 

[bears51/40]

I know Poles didn't have final say in KC but I find it interesting that in a year where that team needed OL help (2021) they ended up drafting two of them (one early and one late) and passed on BOTH Jenkins and Borom multiple times.

My guess is he's fine with Jenkins at RG/RT but likely sees Borom as the wrong fit for the "smaller/athletic" type of lineman he wants in a zone blocking scheme. He'll likely be given a chance (at guard is my guess) but is probably currently viewed as a backup/cut candidate.

No............KC did not pass on Jenkins and Borom multiple times. Jenkins was picked at #39 in the second round, KC had no first round pick but two second round picks that were at #58 and #63. Borom was #151 in the fifth KC's picks were #161 and #181. KC took a flyer on OG Trey Smith with their last pick who dropped that far due to major medical issues and it worked out for them.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I know Poles didn't have final say in KC but I find it interesting that in a year where that team needed OL help (2021) they ended up drafting two of them (one early and one late) and passed on BOTH Jenkins and Borom multiple times.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I don’t think Poles said that at all. Reporters have assumed that’s the likely scenario…

It is common sense and reporting. They can't afford to replace the entire oline and they are targeting ex-Bills RT.

 

[Myk]

Let's see..... Ryan Poles is an offensive line evaluation specialist and has likely determined that Jenkins belongs back at the position he primarily played all throughout college. And you want to go back to Ryan Pace's evaluation that he can play left tackle?

The second Poles was hired that experiment was over. Probably no one else in the league evaluated Jenkins as a LT. I bet Poles would not have cut Leno either.

If you think 7th rounder Leno is good you have no place in any oline conversation.
Watching him on WA he's better at not tackling his own QB or pushing the defense into his own QB but the reason he did those things on the Bears are still there. He backs up, pushes, backs up, pushes. He chases after, he pushes. Eventually WA's opponents will figure him out and he'll be back to doing the same thing he did here. Especially now that he's not playing for a contract, which if I remember right was when he really slacked off here.
Watch the all NFL tackle highlights, when those guys push you know it because the defender goes down. Then there's GB, their oline is locked on and in full control of the defender.

Judging from what Poles has said he wants one of those all NFL highlight guys not Leno managing and definitely not Leno backing up in to his own QB. Nothing from what Poles has said should make you think Leno was someone he would've kept.
I'm thinking he's talking about 1st round and possibly top 10 quality, not 7th rounders.

 

[Bort]

Borom really struggled in pass protection down the stretch at RT.

Also, Jenkins is not exactly ideal at LT, and looks like a more natural fit at RT.

So they're probably planning on using Jenkins at RT with Borom as a backup and still searching for a serviceable LT.

 

[pseudonym]

Borom really struggled in pass protection down the stretch at RT.

Also, Jenkins is not exactly ideal at LT, and looks like a more natural fit at RT.

So they're probably planning on using Jenkins at RT with Borom as a backup and still searching for a serviceable LT.

That's kind of what I was thinking. There are a few positions where we need studs—QB, 3T DT, and LT, in my opinion.

 

[Toast88]

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