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Seriously? You're gonna come at me with that kind of attitude and throw down a fandom gauntlet when you already KNOW what the explanation is and what my response is gonna be, "We were talking about Van Gogh FILMS mo-fo!"

Yes, but do any of them talk about the impact that Amy had on his life?
 

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Yes, but do any of them talk about the impact that Amy had on his life?

Well I'm glad somebody sees where I'm coming from...
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Do you two jamokes like sit around PM-ing trying to come up with fresh ways to irk me and get your little yuk-yuks at my expense? How about a little goddamn compassion here? I already stated/put up notice last night in the Books thread that I'd be having a bad day today once the Nobel Committee in its infinite lameosity inevitably pissed me off. . .and they have. I don't need you two yahoos in love exacerbating it! Assholes.







 

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Serious?



Yahoo's?



Yahoo Serious, playing you a not so tiny violin.
 

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Serious?



Yahoo's?



Yahoo Serious, playing you a not so tiny violin.

Nice.



Although I can't believe she hasn't figured out our complicated system of carrier pigeons.



I'd like to think you've actually made Bookie's night by giving her that steamy Australian pic above... now she can forget all about that stuffy Nobel committee making lousy choices. (or something, I wasn't really paying attention to what she was bitchin' about).
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Serious?



Yahoo's?



Yahoo Serious, playing you a not so tiny violin.



Ohhhh. . .so you DO know how to use Google to find web-based information about random things like jpegs of Yahoo Serious---it's hard to tell sometimes because of all the in-thread questions you ask of members.





(Don't **** with me, I will DESTROY your ginger ass!)





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I can only find what I know I'm looking for. And you can try to explain the Carrier Pigeons to her, just don't tell anyone about the turtle sequences.
 

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Nice.



Although I can't believe she hasn't figured out our complicated system of carrier pigeons.



I'd like to think you've actually made Bookie's night by giving her that steamy Australian pic above... now she can forget all about that stuffy Nobel committee making lousy choices. (or something, I wasn't really paying attention to what she was bitchin' about).
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Well, thanks to your snarky attitude today mister, I guess I won't bother sharing with you the awesomeness of the new Art Spiegelman book + DVD MetaMaus that I got this week and which is FANTASTIC! (But it also keeps luring my attention away from Robopocalypse!) Are you happy now that I won't be sharing the awesomeness in the Books thread? Feeling self-satisfied? You have single-handedly quashed robust discourse! Evil bastard.





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Well, thanks to your snarky attitude today mister, I guess I won't bother sharing with you the awesomeness of the new Art Spiegelman book + DVD MetaMaus that I got this week and which is FANTASTIC! (But it also keeps luring my attention away from Robopocalypse!) Are you happy now that I won't be sharing the awesomeness in the Books thread? Feeling self-satisfied? You have single-handedly quashed robust discourse! Evil bastard.





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You forget that you tweet that shit all the time, so it was already on my radar. HA!



and shhhh... I still haven't read Maus
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Oh, how cloyingly sweet. Your IHN boyfriend +1-ed you a biscuit for your ego. You two ARE perfect for each other. Also, you expect me to believe you actually read my automated LT tweets? Pfft.



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Back on topic. . .ART RULES!!!!!!
 

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Good question Books regarding what artists I would love to see films made on. Your list pretty much consisted of every visual artist that ever lived so what the ****?



In no specific order



1) Pierre Soulages

2) Joan Miro

3) Franz Kline

4) Rothko

5) Barnett Newman (this would be gold)

6) Myself

7) Bill Reid

8) Clyfford Still





Just to name a quick few. There are a lot more.
 

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I think your answer hinges on whether or not you and The Mule make a point to get out and partake of the local theater scene.



I recognize that Chicagoans are lucky in that we have more theater companies per capita than any other city and that said companies are spread out ALL over the city not just in one or two theater hot-spots. Lots of great companies (and some of them with some pretty sweet pedigrees and history alas) have closed in the past 15 yrs. (like my beloved used and indie bookstores, sighs) but others have opened and in general the whole scene is still robust IMO.



Red is pretty old dude---if you/The Mule have theater buds you could always pitch it to them. Certainly doesn't require a lot of Equity actors or stage production beyond errecting the detailed Rothko studio set.









Grammar Hobo, where the **** you been? Off the top of my head I'd have to say Van Gogh is probably the artist who's had the MOST theatrical films done about him! Stretching all the way back to Kirk Douglas' hammy Lust for Life take on Van Gogh, to as Mikita's Helmet pointed out the great Robert Altman film Vincent and Theo---though the best IMO is the French film from back in the 90's Van Gogh and the best documentary is Paul Cox's great film Vincent with John Hurt voicing Van Gogh as he reads VG's letters to Theo.



Assuming we don't get into documentaries then naturally I agree with you that there could ALWAYS be more theatrical films about artists but on balance and considering the audience for the theme I'd have to say the global film industry keeps making them pretty regularly if you ask me.



There's your typical Hollywood fare like The Girl with the Pearl Earring about Vermeer but it is pretty faithfully adapted from its source novel so it's really about a Vermeer relationship and less about his life and artistic temperament IMO. Eh, it was harmless but nothing great. I liked Collin Firth well enough as Vermeer but really, I
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Vermeer so a MUCH finer film that's solely about him and his art is going to have to be done some day to make me happy. And then there's your old-time Hollywood fare like the aforementioned Lust for Life or say The Agony and the Ecstasy with none other than Charlton Heston hamming it up as Michelangelo, heh. You mentioned Frida, Basquiat, and Pollock but there have also been in the past several decades even a fair amount of films that I can recall off the top of my head seeing:







Camille Claudel

(w/Isabelle Adjani playing her and of course since it's about Camille it naturally also features her relationship with Rodin. Loved this film back in the day and it was vanguard in at least highlighting a female artist.)





Suviving Picasso

(w/Anthony Hopkins playing Pablo. . .eh, it was decent.)





Love is the Devil

(w/Derek Jacobi playing Francis Bacon. This one I liked a lot. Depressing. But Jacobi was great alongside Daniel Craig.)





Modigliani

(w/Andy Garcia as Amedeo. This one was a letdown for me because really? Andy Garcia really can't act very well and I had high hopes *in spite* of that because Modigliani is likely one of my Top 10 favorite artists---this one is sorta okay,(but mostly weak IMO) but I have hopes some day a better biopic about him can be made)





Georgia O'Keeffe

(w/my girl Joan Allen as Georgia and my boy Jeremy Irons as Stieglitz. This one I had to rent because it wasn't a theater release---I think it was a cable movie? I liked it because of the artists involved and the actors playing them but I can't say it was a *strong* film)





Klimt

(w/John Malkovich playing Gustav. . .I will see and usually love JM in just about anything and I LOVE Klimt so this one I basically enjoyed. Worth seeing at the movies? Probably not but totally worth renting.)





Fur

(about the BRILLIANT Diane Arbus w/unfortunately Nicole Kidman playing DA. . .I pretty much despise NK in everything so I didn't dig it. And since I have major photography love this one was tragic for me.)





Goya's Ghost

(I liked this because I thought Stellan Skaarsgaard was great but it's still not a great film or anything. Basically weak.)



much better Goya flick IMO was Goya in Bordeaux





Paradise Found

(w/Kiefer Suherland as Gauguin. Eh, passable. . .but I think more so because the scenery and the art are so fucking gorgeous and less to do with it actually being a very good film.)





. . .and so on and so on



The most recent films I saw on this topic were just earlier this year when I was trawling Netflix. I think I was looking up the filmography for Martin Freeman for some reason or another and saw that he had in the past couple of years done a 2-film set with the ALWAYS "way, way out there" and (likely) genius Peter Greenaway directing.



Nightwatching

(Obviously about Rembrandt and his massive The Night Watch painting w/my boy Martin Freeman as Rembrandt---it was only okay for me overall but visually stunning and interesting as Greenaway films always are on the latter tip.)



. . .and then after that ^ theatrical Rembrandt film he released Rembrandt's J'Accuse



(Also about the painting The Night Watch but this time a highly exploratory semi-documentary of sorts which still features actors from the theatrical film playing their same characters from the painting as they did in Nightwatching as PG attempts to literally explore the painting from the inside out not from the typical art appreciation vantage point of being outside the painting and trying to look and examine the technique and motivation inside it. He examines it's history, it's massive amount of characters, and speculates as to some murder highjinks from a forensic point of view---doing WAY interesting things with the camera. It's a little trippy---I sort of loved it for the bravado or cojones or whatever Greenaway had to atempt it. I found it wholly intriguing.)



Get. Out. Of. My. Brain.

SAMESIES! I read this and kept noting things on which I wanted to comment/second your opinion, but I had to stop after I hit my 47th head nod.



Side note: I was at a benefit for the Chicago Shakespeare Theater and they honored Derek Jacobi. He was a very charming speaker and when they showed a reel of his body of work it was really quite impressive.



I like your suggestions of Kandinsky, anyone Italian High Renaissance, Manet... trying to think of who I would want that isn't on the list already.

To your suggestion about categories or movements... I'm thinking of iconic photographs (both in an artistic sense and/or photojournalistic). There must be some good documentaries or biographies on the photographers who have taken these pictures, their effects on the world, on the photographer himself/herself. That would be an interesting topic.
 

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and shhhh... I still haven't read Maus
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Good question Books regarding what artists I would love to see films made on. Your list pretty much consisted of every visual artist that ever lived so what the ****?



Don't be a hater! What can I say, I am a broad with many varied interests. It's HARD for me to make definitive lists as I always wanna keep adding.



As for your list, me likey! Especially the choices of Kline and Miro. Maybe you should become a filmmaker too and start making these biopic films for us Art geeks? Give it some thought slacker.





Get. Out. Of. My. Brain.

SAMESIES! I read this and kept noting things on which I wanted to comment/second your opinion, but I had to stop after I hit my 47th head nod.



No. YOU. Get. Out. Of. My. Brain.



I guess? I think? Conversely? I mean if your contention is that we somehow roll like binaries then I could just as easily say this to you too then right?
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Side note: I was at a benefit for the Chicago Shakespeare Theater and they honored Derek Jacobi. He was a very charming speaker and when they showed a reel of his body of work it was really quite impressive.



That's quite a "side note" to have! I LOVE Derek Jacobi---even if he didn't have such a long and wonderful filmography or impeccable stage pedigree (like his Lear!) and only had the I, Claudius TV series on his resume I would likely go to my grave mad loving him just for Claudius alone it was THAT genius WAY back in the day! In fact, IMO I, Claudius still holds up well as genius today on DVD. Speaking of Chicago Shakespeare Theater, woman they were shaking me down HARD this summer for a subscription---everyone was! I think the Goodman or Lookingglass or Art Institute or the Siskel or somebody else shared mailing lists this year because of tough economic times and consequently Steppenwolf, the CSO, the Lyric, the MCA, and Chgo Shakepeare were trying to get my monies like thieves in the night all and I do mean ALL summer long. Like fucking rabid dogs,
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I guess? I think? Conversely? I mean if your contention is that we somehow roll like binaries then I could just as easily say this to you too then right?
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That's quite a "side note" to have! I LOVE Derek Jacobi---even if he didn't have such a long and wonderful filmography or impeccable stage pedigree (like his Lear!) and only had the I, Claudius TV series on his resume I would likely go to my grave mad loving him just for Claudius alone it was THAT genius WAY back in the day! In fact, IMO I, Claudius still holds up well as genius today on DVD. Speaking of Chicago Shakespeare Theater, woman they were shaking me down HARD this summer for a subscription---everyone was! I think the Goodman or Lookingglass or Art Institute or the Siskel or somebody else shared mailing lists this year because of tough economic times and consequently Steppenwolf, the CSO, the Lyric, the MCA, and Chgo Shakepeare were trying to get my monies like thieves in the night all and I do mean ALL summer long. Like fucking rabid dogs,
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I would say doppelganger, but the origin is way too sinister for little old you and me.



You are not kidding about the mail solicitations! I experienced the same thing, going back even a couple years. It always spikes when you take any type of action... I renewed my Art Institute membership and it was a free-for-all. The brochures are always so beautiful though! That is "junk mail" which I do not mind receiving.
 

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If anyone was interested in the impactful artistic & journalistic photographs like I was, I started googling and was saddened by this story.



Does everyone recall the photo (mid-90s) of the starving child during the Sudan famine, crawling on the ground towards the UN camp? There is a vulture in the background, presumably waiting for the child to die (and I don't know that I can finish that sentence).

It is an unbelievable and horrifying photo. After taking the photo, the photographer evidently killed himself from depression about three months later.



I am always fascinated by the artist's relationship to his/her work. While I know this is photojournalism, I think there is still a parallel to be drawn... to capture & share something of such great impact and then to take your own life as a result.
 

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I read that story several months ago as well as the photo. I think when National Geographic did a look back at the most powerful pictures published. It really is one of the most disturbing photos ever published.
 

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If anyone was interested in the impactful artistic & journalistic photographs like I was, I started googling and was saddened by this story.



Does everyone recall the photo (mid-90s) of the starving child during the Sudan famine, crawling on the ground towards the UN camp? There is a vulture in the background, presumably waiting for the child to die (and I don't know that I can finish that sentence).

It is an unbelievable and horrifying photo. After taking the photo, the photographer evidently killed himself from depression about three months later.



I am always fascinated by the artist's relationship to his/her work. While I know this is photojournalism, I think there is still a parallel to be drawn... to capture & share something of such great impact and then to take your own life as a result.

I read that story several months ago as well as the photo. I think when National Geographic did a look back at the most powerful pictures published. It really is one of the most disturbing photos ever published.



That photo by Kevin Carter is a bonafied CLASSIC of photojournalism---additonally, Carter (and the rest of the South African "Bang Bang Club") and the photo were the basis of the stunning novel, House of Leaves.



There's been conflicting stories about what transpired where that photo is concerned. The original story had Carter leaving the girl in harms way as the vulture approached and she was crawling to make it to a UN food drop which is what had the public all up in arms but I do believe he conceded to never following up with what happened to her. His fellow Bang Bang Club photog Joao Silva says the food drop happened, they were a right near it and mothers left their starving children for a few minutes while they could go and collect the rations. Silva says this is what happened in this case, that they both started to take pictures of the children when the vulture landed in the frame behind this one girl and then Carter seized the moment to take it before shooing the bird away not that Carter let her struggle on the ground trying to make it to a camp without aiding her for the sake of "Art" and still conceding they never knew what eventually happened to her.



Carter had severe depression which was compounded by the horrible hings he'd seen in this photography career from covering Apartheid to the famine in the Sudan, etc. Also tremendous money woes. I think it all conspired to break him down until he couldn't see a way to save himself. In fact, history has been rather cruel to the 4 Bang Bang Club photographers in general---besides Carter's suicide, another was killed on assignment in I believe at home in S.A. and the aforementioned Silva lost one of his legs below the knee and the other above the knee on assignment in that crazy clusterfuck that is Afghanistan. Gruesome what they've been through as a collective.
 

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ART IS NICE.

I LIKE IT.

IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
 

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Anyone like, or know, of Mark Paulene or SRL? My favorite group of artists.



Taking art out of the museums and on to the streets.



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http://srl.org/



Survival Research Laboratories was conceived of and founded by Mark Pauline in November 1978. Since its inception SRL has operated as an organization of creative technicians dedicated to re-directing the techniques, tools, and tenets of industry, science, and the military away from their typical manifestations in practicality, product or warfare. Since 1979, SRL has staged over 45 mechanized presentations in the United States and Europe. Each performance consists of a unique set of ritualized interactions between machines, robots, and special effects devices, employed in developing themes of socio-political satire. Humans are present only as audience or operators.
 

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