Ashton Jeanty

[Beast15]

The person that wants Jeanty is the same person that will then ***** when the OL sucks

If the bears take him at 10, which they’re not, one would assume that they addressed oline in free agency and do so in second round

 

[EDPeezy]

Why would you assume that? They gave swift like 8 million a year and got a bunch of bargain bin guys to block for him. Freaking guys like Pryor and Shelton.

it’s also funny how you guys constantly just assume if you spend a second round pick on a guy he automatically fills the hole. As if there’s no chance they might not be ready. Or they might just suck.

 

[bearsfan1977]

The person that wants Jeanty is the same person that will then ***** when the OL sucks with no acknowledgement that they campaigned for Jeanty and actively ignored all the other holes.

I don’t claim to be some football expert, but the type of person that wants to spend the 10th pick on a RB with this roster is your most typical like vanilla, no knowledge of football type of fan. Or like an old man who thinks this is the 1980’s or some shit. Why in the hell would anybody want to spend the 10th pick on a RB with all our needs?

This is also a super deep RB class and the same people still want to spend the 10th pick on this guy. To the point where they’re working out the whole off-season and miraculously filling every need so they can justify taking him. God damn man. Chill the **** out. Spending g the 10th pick on Ashton Jeanty after watching this team and all the problems has to be the dumbest shit ever. Go watch your Big Bang Theory reruns or whatever people who think like this do. Go watch Yellowstone or 1883 or whatever the **** it is and STFU about Ashton Jeanty.

Would you support them drafting a guy at 10 who played T in college, probably doesn’t really project there in the pros, and so they take him to play G, a position he has never played? I’m fine with that approach later in the 20s or in the 2nd, but not at 10.

Point is, BPA at 10 may be Jeanty or DL or DE, like Nolen or Pearce, and not OL.

But I don’t think taking Jeanty is any more stupid than taking a guy to play G who has never played G before at 10.

In any event, I like Devin Neal in the 3rd or 4th if they pass on a RB in 1 or 2.

 

[EDPeezy]

I dont want a guard at 10. I’m not sure how any of what you said justifies taking Jeanty at 10, but whatever.

You basically just said there is other dumb shit you can do as well so that somehow justifies taking Jeanty if you really wanted to. Okay.

And BPAis such bullshit. Very rarely does any team just go BPA. Teams are filling needs. People who use terms like BPA are the same type of people that want Ashton Jeanty. Not one freaking team in the NFL is going off BPA. That’s just generic shit people say. “Well, he was the best player available on our board.yada yada yada. It’s just a complete coincidence je played the position we desperately needed.“ yeah, there’s obviously picks where maybe the team says screw it, we don’t need this position, but we love this guy. We’re taking him anyway. An overwhelming majority of the time teams are taking guys who play a position they need help at. They’re not just taking whoever and ignoring the position.

 

[DefNextYear]

it’s also funny how you guys constantly just assume if you spend a second round pick on a guy he automatically fills the hole. As if there’s no chance they might not be ready. Or they might just suck.

I do hope the Bears address all holes on the line via FA and also draft guys to fill those roles in the upcoming years. Bears need to do both for the reason you point out.

 

[bearsfan1977]

I dont want a guard at 10. I’m not sure how any of what you said justifies taking Jeanty at 10, but whatever.

You basically just said there is other dumb shit you can do as well so that somehow justifies taking Jeanty if you really wanted to. Okay.

And BPAis such bullshit. Very rarely does any team just go BPA. Teams are filling needs. People who use terms like BPA are the same type of people that want Ashton Jeanty. Not one freaking team in the NFL is going off BPA. That’s just generic shit people say. “Well, he was the best player available on our board.yada yada yada. It’s just a complete coincidence je played the position we desperately needed.“ yeah, there’s obviously picks where maybe the team says screw it, we don’t need this position, but we love this guy. We’re taking him anyway. An overwhelming majority of the time teams are taking guys who play a position they need help at. They’re not just taking whoever and ignoring the position.

You’ve never said you’d be ok with Campbell or Banks at 10? Because, using your words, a whole lot of people have been advocating ‘dumb shit’ like taking Campbell or Banks.

And no shit, BPA isn’t the only factor. It is a factor combined with other factors like positional need. But that is an informed assumption on my part, because unlike you after reading what every GM thinks, I have never worked in a FO and have had conversations about this with other GMs. Please enlighten us as to what they said.

Out of curiosity, who do you hope they pick at 10?

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

I'm getting much closer to being all in on Jeanty at #10. The more I watch highlights of some of these other RB's, the less impressed I become. People say this is a deep RB class, but I don't see a whole lot of standout traits from most of the top guys, minus Jeanty and maybe the kid from TEN (Sampson). Mostly, I see a lot of average lateral quickness, acceleration, and foot speed, which makes me think NFL backup/low-end starter.

If we're going to draft a RB, I want to draft somebody with an elite skill. Jeanty looks to have above average speed, vision, and agility, but elite contact balance. He does remind you a lot of Ladanian Tomlinson because of his size and ability to break tackles.

As long as they sign 2-3 sure-fire starters in free agency on that offensive line, namely Trey Smith, I'm totally cool with them going RB in RD1. This doesn't seem like a particularly good year for OL/DL at the top of the draft, so I don't know that they would be passing on much if they elected to go RB.

 

[napo55]

This conversation may be moot because there's a good chance Jeanty is gone by pick 10. There's even talk of Dallas trading up to pick off Jeanty before the Bears pick.

The draft is almost three months away and a lot could happen (combine, trades, etc.) so keep an open mind.

 

[Xplosive]

Point is, BPA at 10 may be Jeanty or DL or DE, like Nolen or Pearce, and not OL.

Not to pile on but yeah BPA out of the positions of NEED is the correct way of looking at it. You don't just load up on positions in the draft that your team is strong at.

Same with free agency, no one says get the BPA of free agency because it's dumb to say let's sign Tee Higgins after we just drafted Rome and extended DJ, because Tee is the best available.

 

[napo55]

Not to pile on but yeah BPA out of the positions of NEED is the correct way of looking at it. You don't just load up on positions in the draft that your team is strong at.

Same with free agency, no one says get the BPA of free agency because it's dumb to say let's sign Tee Higgins after we just drafted Rome and extended DJ, because Tee is the best available.

I agree that a dogmatic BPA rule is not the way to go. But RB is definitely a key need. Swift is more of a 3rd down back and most agree that Roshon is nothing special. Jeanty could add a dynamic element to the offense.

And reaching for O line with the 10th pick when a comparable player would be there in the second round makes no sense, especially if the position is addressed in free agency.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Not to pile on but yeah BPA out of the positions of NEED is the correct way of looking at it. You don't just load up on positions in the draft that your team is strong at.

Same with free agency, no one says get the BPA of free agency because it's dumb to say let's sign Tee Higgins after we just drafted Rome and extended DJ, because Tee is the best available.

I understand that. I think that is implied. I realize a team like KC won’t be picking a QB if a QB is the BPA on their board.

My point simply is that Johnson may view the impact of Jeanty as being higher than a G would bring at 10.

But none of us knows what their board will be and everything will be clearer after FA.

 

[--CyBear--]

I agree that a dogmatic BPA rule is not the way to go. But RB is definitely a key need. Swift is more of a 3rd down back and most agree that Roshon is nothing special. Swift could add a dynamic element to the offense.

And reaching for O line with the 10th pick when a comparable player would be there in the second round makes no sense, especially if the position is addressed in free agency.

Besides need, there's also positional value and value over positional mean to consider.

 

[Xplosive]

I agree that a dogmatic BPA rule is not the way to go. But RB is definitely a key need. Swift is more of a 3rd down back and most agree that Roshon is nothing special. Swift could add a dynamic element to the offense.

And reaching for O line with the 10th pick when a comparable player would be there in the second round makes no sense, especially if the position is addressed in free agency.

I don't see RB as more important to this team than DE OG DT or even a move TE at this point.

Swift is fine and since his $8M salary isn't going anywhere the Bears would be dumb to invest in his replacement instead of a big back to compliment him and upgrade Roschon. I see Kaleb Johnson and Omarion Hampton as easy upgrades that will be available in the second round. In fact the Bears can acquire a 5th round pick and grab Ollie Gordon or Skattebo or Kalel Mullings from Michigan to play the Monty role as bruisers.

Zero excuse to waste #10 on a RB even if you don't like any of the OTs

 

[Xplosive]

I understand that. I think that is implied. I realize a team like KC won’t be picking a QB if a QB is the BPA on their board.

My point simply is that Johnson may view the impact of Jeanty as being higher than a G would bring at 10.

But none of us knows what their board will be and everything will be clearer after FA.

If Johnson thinks that Jeanty is the BPA at #10, the Bears still have the wrong leadership.

 

[dabears70]

If the bears take him at 10, which they’re not, one would assume that they addressed oline in free agency and do so in second round

Yeah where i'm at with this is i've never been with going RB early in drafts especially the 1st round but he is clearly an absolute stud and the best RB in this deep class, at least on paper, so if they can add a legit starting OL and then another starting OL and then add one of these pass rushers like K.Mack, D.Lawrence or M.Judon type and then use both 2nd round picks on the trenches then i can be okay with drafting Jeanty just because having a stud RB is never a bad thing and Ben Johnson wants a great running game.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Watch Jeanty vs PSU

 

[bearsfan1977]

Watch Jeanty vs PSU

He may not turn out to be elite in the league, but that’s not a smart way to analyze it. Jeanty is the only person in that offense who will play on Sundays. Everyone else will be selling insurance. The whole defensive front focused on him.

That won’t be the case in the NFL. If an entire defense focuses on a rb, then it opens it up for other weapons on offense.

 

[Xplosive]

Outside of one game against Oregon, all of his big games came against mountain west teams. I've seen this before from Boise State RBs looking unbeatable on their blue field.

I'm looking forward to the combine to see what he does and how he compares to the other top RBs.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Outside of one game against Oregon, all of his big games came against mountain west teams. I've seen this before from Boise State RBs looking unbeatable on their blue field.

I'm looking forward to the combine to see what he does and how he compares to the other top RBs.

I am too. I think he will test well. But things like vision and contact balance are traits people have or they don’t, regardless of competition. He displayed those things consistently. And like we saw in the PSU game, he constantly bounces off the first and second tackles, but it’s hard for anyone to break away from the 3rd or 4th, especially when the entire defensive front is keying on him and is not worried at all about the QB, WRs, or TEs.

 

[Raskolnikov]

for every late round gem like Irving and Achane there will be 3 to 4 busts making the correct choice is dependent on your scouting dept

I'm not the only one.

I read one scout say "he has the best contact balance he has ever scouted."

He elevated a program to recent success in what will be considered an impossible gauntlet for small schools college football playoff in near future.

He played in the cold.

He's gonna run 4.35-4.44 which is cooking for 215 and that squatty.
He isn't the power back maybe some expect at the next level, but he has the speed to get to outside matchups that are in his advantage.

I'm telling you he is the only sure thing at RB in this draft and will elevate any offense.
I can't speak to his intelligence or pass blocking potential, pass game attributes.

Yes...their offensive line was very good but his patience and speed elevated them and they were always cooking with positive momentum.

If you could draft Breece Hall or Bijan Robinson would you?

Yes...the position is still high risk for injury even if he is real. So is every position in the NFL.