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[Urblock]

Want to lose fat. Stop eating

 

[Novak]

Want to lose fat. Stop eating

Annnnnnnnnnnddddddd, the entire thread has escaped you.

Thanks....

 

[ursamajor]

I swallow a tape worm every four months. Does the trick.

You only need to swallow it, when it crawls out.

Just rinse, and repeat!


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[Gustavus Adolphus]

Stupid Question: how do I know when I’ve reached ketosis?

Further Stupid Question: when you workout, do you do a pre/post shake?

 

[Novak]

Stupid Question: how do I know when I’ve reached ketosis?

Further Stupid Question: when you workout, do you do a pre/post shake?

After the first time, you'll know. You feel like a different person. You can clearly tell when you're in ketosis vs when you're not in ketosis.

In the meantime, i'd suggest ketone strips that measure the ketone levels in urine. They're available in most drug stores by the glucose readers. There's also the digital ones that detect ketone levels via blood sample, but this is more expensive. Obvs, both available online on amazon etc.

I do bullet coffee for pre-workouts. There's tons of keto products on the market, but you're paying a premium for essentially the same thing.

Since this is your first time doing keto, i'd highly suggest picking up a keto focused multivitamin, because you dont want a normal multi vitamin that contains iron. These aren't as readily available at drug stores unfortunately, though i belive most GNC's have started carrying related products. I'll link what i use.

https://www.amazon.com/Keto-Vitals-...=1537151792&sr=8-5&keywords=keto+multivitamin

Side note: there's no stupid questions when it comes to this shit. It's fringe science. Society isnt quite ready to admit they were wrong about the food pyramid, and basically everything else they pushed during the "SAY NO TO FAT" era, though they are close.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Want to lose fat. Stop eating

technically you're right. Eating less calories = lose weight.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Replying with quote is spazzing out, but Gus said he was going to start keto. It really took me 2-3 weeks to really figure my shit out, so if I were to go back in time and help past me out, I'd tell him:

• To help with Keto flu drink some chicken broth, couple cups a day. (This might be a placebo thing, but people recommended it and it sure seemed to help)
• Use a food tracker, I used www.myfitnesspal.com it was easy and free, you can set daily macro goals and shit. I think using a food tracker was the single biggest thing that helped me stop being a fatass. But I'm also a numbers/goal person, so it was super in my wheelhouse.
• "Keto" versions of non keto foods suck. Every product I bought that marketed itself as a "Keto Version of X!" was trash. Just eat foods that are naturally in the keto zone.
• If you go on reddit or whatever and look at Keto stuff everyone is making recipes that are like 50% cream cheese and 25% butter. If you're doing keto to lose fat those recipes aren't going to help. Eat good, lean meats, lots of cruciferous veggies, and then round out with good fats.
• Don't make "Fat Bombs", doing keto does not mean hitting your fat macro. Your fat macro is not a goal, it's a limit.
• The only non sugar sweetener I found that wasn't nasty was erythritol. It doesn't have any of that nasty artificial sweetener grossness, I don't even do keto anymore and I use it instead of sugar whenever I need to sweeten something. I buy Anthony's off Amazon.
• I don't have much of a sweet tooth, if any of you do I highly recommend Protein Fluff. A lot of body builder types use it as a dessert, snack, meal replacement when they're cutting and another way to get more protein. Shit is SUPER filling and if you do it right comes out like mousse. It was a go to for me.

If you guys have other questions, let me know, it really took me a couple-a-few weeks to figure all this shit out. I can recommend foods, recipes, whatever.

EDIT: Like Novak said, drink water. You need to drink WAY MORE WATER on Keto. Seriously, you should be drinking so much water that you have to piss once an hour.

Took me several weeks to get it all perfected but it's like the saying goes, "ready, fire, aim." Just start it and you'll learn more as you do it.

Keto flu not as bad as it sounds. Just a point where you get sluggish and kinda headachy. It's happened to me and I just use caffeine to get through it. The headaches were very slight for me so didn't even need aspirin for that. I've heard keto flu described as that point you're depleting the sugar your body is using for energy and preparing to run on ketones but are currently just getting the leftover sludge to run on.

I have also used fitness pal. Certainly no need to pay for the paid version as the free version offers all you need and is very easy to work with. At this point I seldom use it as I can go on what my norm is even if substituting different things here and there.

The are a few keto versions of non keto foods that look tantalizing. I'm not much into baking though but I'm gonna try one of those fathead pizzas or low carb everything bagels sooner or later. Also some quick real low carb bread recipes, with almond flour or coconut flour that can be done in a mug real quick in a microwave that aren't half bad if you add a seasoning or 2 of choice and toast it up afterwards.

You can save the trouble of making fat bombs just by taking a couple tbsp of coconut oil. The fat macro is actually a goal. Generally, you want the fat macro to be 70-75% of your calories, 20% protein and the remaining 5-10% in carbs. Originally, therapeutic ketosis called for a fat macro that is even higher, at 90%, but at that point you'd basically have to be drinking cups of oil.

While the whole autoph-agy thing wasn't discovered til the 60s, doctors in the 20s were still using a form of what is now known as therapeutic ketosis to heal people with epilepsy, diabetes and other illnesses. And fasting has been used throughout history to heal people from illness so there was always the knowledge or belief that the body could heal itself when in a fasted state for a long period of time.

There are plenty of people who take liberties with the specific macros though and I guess it works for them just as well as long as the carbs are severely limited but are they actually doing ketosis? IDK. The reason for the high 70% fat and 20% protein is because it is said if more protein than that is taken in, the body would simply convert it to sugar and it would essentially be as bad for ketosis as taking in too many carbs. This becomes less consequential to ketosis though if you're doing Intermittent Fasting at the same time. I, too, now focus more on IF than ketosis and although I haven't the need nor desire to lose anymore weight, I'll still do a 36 hour fast at least once every 2 weeks for the health benefits. Other than that, I stick to mostly a 16-8 IF schedule.

Don't think I've tried erythritol by itself. It's been in some protein powders I've used but it usually contains stevia and/or monk fruit with it. Think I'll give that a try. I've seen videos in which peeps use the various sugar alternatives to see not only what tastes better while also not raising blood sugar level. Erythritol fared better than any other so now that you mention it, think I'd like to try it just for coffee/tea/smoothie type stuff. Really been my experience though that as bad as sugar is for you it tastes amazing and there's nothing, in the way of no calories/carbs, that comes close to replicating it. Protein Fluff is something I'm not familiar with and will also have to look into.

The reason you need more water with keto is carbs actually cause the body to retain excess water so once you restrict carbs, there's not going to be near as much water being retained so you not only want to drink more but also add salt, the most popular choice for salt now being pink Himalayan. The good thing for me now is, I can hold my piss as well as a dog can so I feel free to have all I need or want. You'd also want to add electrolytes that you may be lacking from lack of carbs, mainly potassium and magnesium.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

technically you're right. Eating less calories = lose weight.

It's not a calorie thing. It's a hormone thing in which you want to better control the insulin hormone.

[video=youtube;3d7KkyXnyB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7KkyXnyB4[/video]

 

[Mitchapalooza]

It's not a calorie thing. It's a hormone thing in which you want to better control the insulin hormone.

[video=youtube;3d7KkyXnyB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7KkyXnyB4[/video]

It is a calorie thing though. I just lost my goal weight by just counting calories and working out.

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Stupid Question: how do I know when I’ve reached ketosis?

Further Stupid Question: when you workout, do you do a pre/post shake?

Speaking from my experience, you will 100% feel it. You'll get "Keto flu", how bad it is seems to vary by person, I mostly just felt sluggish and shitty. When that passed I definitely felt like I had more energy day to day. You can get a blood test deal that you prick your finger with to figure out your ketone level, or you can get pee strips. I bought those and used them for a bit while figuring out how to do everything.

technically you're right. Eating less calories = lose weight.

Pretty much. I averaged losing 3 lbs a week, that average didn't change when I was on keto and when I was just doing calories in/calories out. For losing weight it's just basic math.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Just don't be fat... It's not hard.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

It is a calorie thing though. I just lost my goal weight by just counting calories and working out.

And I'm happy for you, brother, but that BS fails 9 out of 10 times for people who are very overweight and it's because they don't control the insulin.

I don't know if you read the post I made about the Biggest Loser study in Aussie's thread. Basically, there were 14 of them studied from the start of the show til years after it ended. 13 of the 14 gained significant weight back. The one who didn't said it was a daily struggle for her since she realized she had to take in much fewer calories than other women her size in order to keep the weight off. As all know, the show used the same common method for losing weight that you and everybody else are told to, reduce calories and work out a lot more. It was shown in the beginning all 14 had normal metabolisms. It was shown in the end all 14 had significantly lower metabolism rates that continued to get slower over the years so it was not something that self corrected any time soon. In order to keep the weight off, these people would have had to taken in ~800 calories less than people their size, with normal metabolisms, daily. This is why the traditional method that has been preached is a fail and obesity is epidemic.

Constant spikes in insulin is what causes constant hunger. Control the insulin and the hunger is not there near as much. Adopt a healthy fat heavy/low carb diet and you will not be near as hungry or feel the need to snack between meals. It was not long after I started ketosis and IF that I realized I was never really getting hungry. Doing my first 24-36 hour fast was so easy I did several more the first month I started. When you take in heavy carbs, your body is always going to call for more sugar and that's what leads to people overeating. Your body isn't registering calories. It's treating every macro differently. Even sugar and fructose are handled differently. The key to losing weight once and for all is to control the insulin. You limit how high the spikes are and you limit how often you affect insulin. When you do that, you'll see that huge appetite is no longer present. When your body's not calling for more sugar cause you've been avoiding it, you're not going to be hungry. There are times I've eaten a big meal and just don't want to touch food for the rest of the day cause I'm so full and satiated and I was the type before to have a late night stack or just graze during the day. That shit doesn't appeal to me anymore cause I've taken control of insulin and kept it both lower and at baseline for longer periods of time. Your body is smarter and more complex than you. It controls you and your urges and does so in accordance to your eating habits. Keeping weight off is easy and painless once you realize that.

 

[Novak]

Everyone focuses on weight instead of health and this is why we have so many people suffering from shitty diseases that didnt even exist 100 years ago.

I'm sorry, but if the first thing you consider when you put something in your mouth is the effect on your waistline, you're an idiot. Period. A straight up dumbass. That tells me you know absolutely nothing about the effects those nutrients have on you. Which is a shame...

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Being that 7 out of 10 Americans are overweight, maybe it's a good idea if they consider the effect on their waistline. It's as with vaccines, people hear the same BS so often, they adopt it as truth even though it's a complete falsehood. You tell people over and over it doesn't matter what they eat, they need only restrict calories and work out to lose weight. They believe it and don't think it matters if they're eating meat and cruciferous veggies or boxes of cereal and bags of tortilla chips. They truly are that stupid and dumbed down these days.

I had a habit of allowing myself an extra 20 pounds going into the fall and winter. I'd have the late night PB & J sandwiches, sugary drink and other snacks during the day but when I got to that 20 pound limit I knew what to eliminate so it was an easily manageable thing, I'd just eat 2 main meals (I've always skipped breakfast) and self correct. I always knew it was the sugar, grains, starches and such that led to being more fat. It seemed instinctive and thus I cut back on those things before it got really out of control.

I understand people want their cake and eat it too but don't start to believe bullshit lies to reason it. In Aussie's thread, all cause life expectancy came up in relation to heavy carb vs a more keto type diet. I don't like those type studies cause they don't show much at all really. And, if you use common sense, it's not really about eating a ton of carbs are going to kill you sooner. I don't believe that. What I believe is you'll have a much healthier life as you age if you abstain especially from sugar and simple carbs.

Let me give a quick example. Look at the average life expectancy of a Japanese male vs an American male and there's only a 5 year difference. The Japanese diet is looked at as much more ideal than an American diet but does that necessarily mean that's why their life expectancy is 5 years more? Not likely when you look at another fact which is that Americans have a severe obesity problem while Japan is the complete opposite. There is no question obesity leaves you more vulnerable to all kind of illness which could certainly take your life sooner. And what we also know is they're much healthier, in Japan, as they age so while the diet isn't necessarily causing them to live longer, it's causing them to be much more healthier overall even as they do age. So, I think it's a bit melodramatic to say carbs and poor eating habits will kill you sooner but you have to believe it's going to reduce your quality of life greatly especially as you can see feeble fat old fucks in this country every day and they're likely on 4 or more prescriptions, another thing not near as common in Japan and other countries.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

This keto flu sounds fun especially considering I'm already under the weather before even starting.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

This keto flu sounds fun especially considering I'm already under the weather before even starting.

The flu thing, feeling very tired/low energy for me was the 2nd and 3rd day after that was ok.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Everyone focuses on weight instead of health and this is why we have so many people suffering from shitty diseases that didnt even exist 100 years ago.

I'm sorry, but if the first thing you consider when you put something in your mouth is the effect on your waistline, you're an idiot. Period. A straight up dumbass. That tells me you know absolutely nothing about the effects those nutrients have on you. Which is a shame...

I agree that health is important and not just weight, my plan was to get down to 170 via eating less but still healthy food. Then from 170 ill increase my calories, pay attention to macros and generally eat healthy. And it's worked.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Usually you need about a ~12 hour fast to deplete the excess energy stores in your body, so most fasting cycles are in that 12-24 range. Personally, I do a 16/8 fasting cycle like 3 or 4 times a week, where on those days I have a 16 hour window where I will only drink water and black coffee. 8 hours to eat zero-low carb, high fat foods like I normally would.

This sounds hard if you've never done keto before, but it really isn't hard to do at all. When you're in ketosis, you don't get the same hunger urges you do as when your body is producing glucose. It's incredibly easy to skip meals.

I haven't researched Ketosis or any of that.... what I'm supposed to eat..... etc. But I did read about intermittent fasting and it made sense to me. So I've been doing what you describe here most days. I eat from 12-8 most days of the week. I allow a cheat day every once in a while if we go out with friends. I am literally doing NOTHING different these last few weeks. No more exercise. No big diet changes. And I've lost about 15 pounds. I feel better. And I have to say not eating breakfast has been great for me. Eating food makes me tired. I'd rather go all day without eating and eat a 2000 calorie meal at the end of the day that I like and be done with it.

And black coffee is my friend....

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Most people on a heavy carb diet wouldn’t even notice it cause they’re always running on empty.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I agree that health is important and not just weight, my plan was to get down to 170 via eating less but still healthy food. Then from 170 ill increase my calories, pay attention to macros and generally eat healthy. And it's worked.

As I recall you weren’t a fat guy anyway, Mitch and you said you also often skipped breakfast. So what works for you, with a desire to lose a bit more weight and not an overindulgent feeding schedule already, doesn’t work for the real fatties.