Bears made a mistake taking Williams over Daniels?

[Anytime23]

One was a projection. The other was Waldron and Eberflus.

I don't get why nuanced discussion is impossible with you. Maybe I need to draw a pictorial in crayon.

Yeah, nothing says nuance like completely lying about how bad the situation was and deflecting all blame from a qb that was by all objective standards bad and disappointing.

 

[Anytime23]

Final 8 games of the season for each (aka the post-Waldron era)

Caleb:
173 of 268 --> 64.6%
1,756 yards --> 6.6 y/a
11 TDs, 1 INT
30 sacks --> 10.1%
95.3 rating (6 games over 95 rating, 2 under)

Jayden:
168 of 252 --> 66.7%
1,623 yards --> 6.4 y/a
16 TDs, 7 INT
30 sacks --> 10.6%
94.1 rating (4 games over 95 rating, 4 under)

So Caleb had more yards, more yards per attempt, better TD:INT ratio, sacked the same amount of times with a slightly better %, better rating, and played more games at a high level. But yes, he's way behind as a player and a bust while Jayden is a future hall of famer.

Nuanced box scores!

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Nuanced box scores!

It reminds me of people hypothetically asking "what is Justin Fields record when he rushes for 100 yards?", and its like "I don't know, but when he plays he is 10-28. Not good"

The thing with Caleb is that Passer Rating completely ignores the ungodly amount of sacks he took, and his rating and his yards per attempt is still among the worst in the NFL. I don't understand these endless statistical machinations in regards to Caleb. We all saw him play. He has potential. He needs to improve. He's not as good as Daniels at this point. That's about it.

 

[Neckbeard]

Yeah, nothing says nuance like completely lying about how bad the situation was and deflecting all blame from a qb that was by all objective standards bad and disappointing.

"Lying" lol. Once you have to use 3 brain cells things break down for you.

 

[Neckbeard]

It reminds me of people hypothetically asking "what is Justin Fields record when he rushes for 100 yards?", and its like "I don't know, but when he plays he is 10-28. Not good"

The thing with Caleb is that Passer Rating completely ignores the ungodly amount of sacks he took, and his rating and his yards per attempt is still among the worst in the NFL. I don't understand these endless statistical machinations in regards to Caleb. We all saw him play. He has potential. He needs to improve. He's not as good as Daniels at this point. That's about it.

Not sure how the stats provided were cherry picking since it was the moment after Waldron was gone. Unless you both think Waldron was a great OC and it was CWs fault? If you want to argue that... go ahead.

 

[RPMcMurphy47]

Not sure how the stats provided were cherry picking since it was the moment after Waldron was gone. Unless you both think Waldron was a great OC and it was CWs fault? If you want to argue that... go ahead.

Bro, don't even argue with these fools. Look at the patterns of their posts. They're miscreants that seem to get energized by looking solely at our QBs deficiencies and posting 50 times a day about it. They're the most pathetic fans I've ever encountered. Worse than even the legendary omeletpants.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Not sure how the stats provided were cherry picking since it was the moment after Waldron was gone. Unless you both think Waldron was a great OC and it was CWs fault? If you want to argue that... go ahead.

Is there a point to anything you are saying? Boo hoo, Jayden Daniels suffered a rib injury against Carolina. Why were Daniels' stats also cherry picked? Is your point that Shane Waldron being gone also had an impact on Jayden Daniels?

Sorry for looking at the totality of the picture. If you honestly think that CW played comparably or even better than Jayden Daniels this year, then you probably shouldn't bother watching football anymore.

 

[UChiLAbear]

There would be times when he would take the full play clock to get the snap off, times when he needed to spike the ball and didn't, times when he should have called a timeout but didn't. Yeah, its anecdotal, but I'm just giving my opinion. He looked like a rookie, and the narrative was that Caleb was better than the average rookie in terms of 'grasp of the game'. I didn't see that.

I agree with this...but that's not what I was answering ......I believe I was answering about CW not being able to lead in a 2-minute drive. Valid points taken on their surface...clock management imo is more on the coaches and getting the play in quickly, which da Bears weren't good at, agree with the 'needed to spike the ball'...the time-outs is something talked about during the week and reminded on game day....you may or may not be right on whether he needed to call time-out...only coaches and the player know that....

 

[Neckbeard]

Is there a point to anything you are saying? Boo hoo, Jayden Daniels suffered a rib injury against Carolina. Why were Daniels' stats also cherry picked? Is your point that Shane Waldron being gone also had an impact on Jayden Daniels?

Sorry for looking at the totality of the picture. If you honestly think that CW played comparably or even better than Jayden Daniels this year, then you probably shouldn't bother watching football anymore.

I'd like for you to quote where I said he's played better than JD. You guys respond to statements nobody has made.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I agree with this...but that's not what I was answering ......I believe I was answering about CW not being able to lead in a 2-minute drive. Valid points taken on their surface...clock management imo is more on the coaches and getting the play in quickly, which da Bears weren't good at, agree with the 'needed to spike the ball'...the time-outs is something talked about during the week and reminded on game day....you may or may not be right on whether he needed to call time-out...only coaches and the player know that....

Bro, don't even argue with me. Look at the pattern of my posts. I'm a miscreant that seems to get energized by looking solely at our QBs deficiencies and posting 50 times a day about it. I'm the most pathetic fan you've ever encountered. Worse than even the legendary omeletpants.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I'd like for you to quote where I said he's played better than JD.

I'd like for you to either a) state what point you are trying to make and/or b) explain why Jayden Daniels' stats were also 'cherry picked'.

 

[Neckbeard]

I'd like for you to either a) state what point you are trying to make and/or b) explain why Jayden Daniels' stats were also 'cherry picked'.

If you can't figure it out between your response to Anytime a Moron's response, there's no point having a discussion. You can get back to your recess period break.

 

[UChiLAbear]

Bro, don't even argue with me. Look at the pattern of my posts. I'm a miscreant that seems to get energized by looking solely at our QBs deficiencies and posting 50 times a day about it. I'm the most pathetic fan you've ever encountered. Worse than even the legendary omeletpants.

Who's arguing? I don't regard your takes as arguments....from my pov we're disgussing issues....sorry if I gave off that tone....believe me when I say I won't and don't answer posters that make no sense....I'm just saying that I disagree with your take that CW isn't a good 2-minute drill QB....I say he is and there were 4-6 games where he proved it, but either the D or STs let the team down. That was the only disagreement. Take care.
I put that person you mentioned on ignore like the first month I was on CCS.....don't need that bs in my life.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

If you can't figure it out between your response to Anytime a Moron's response, there's no point having a discussion. You can get back to your recess period break.

I'm actually being serious in trying to understand the point I'm missing here, but I guess there is none. Keep cherry picking stats if that makes you feel better.

 

[Neckbeard]

I'm actually being serious in trying to understand the point I'm missing here, but I guess there is none. Keep cherry picking stats if that makes you feel better.

1. Guy posted last 8 game stats after Waldron removed.
2. Anytime a Moron said "nuanced stats!" sarcastically.
3. You responded to him and agreed. <--- clearly meaning those stats don't mean shit.
4. Conclusion - you think the Waldron/Eberflus issues were in fact a non-issue.

Should I paint a yellow brick road?

 

[run and shoot]

Caleb shows flashes. He'll make an amazing throw - And then follow it up with "What the heck was that!" It's frustrating.

He has talent, no question. He's also consistently inconsistent. Maybe that will get fixed.

Maybe.

Daniels, however, seems to have figured a lot of things out already.

CW...gets very inconsistent pass pro too

 

[Toast88]

Williams needs to just go out and prove it. He hasn't done that yet.

 

[playthrough2001]

JD is miles ahead of him as a passer and can actually read NFL defenses.

JD is a real talented player. However, Kingsbury is running an incredibly simple, QB friendly offense. It looks like a college offense.

Also, he’s going to get Daniels killed with all of the designed runs. However, the fear of Daniels running opens up a lot of opportunities for him and that’s the conundrum. At one point, the Bucs were using two spies to try to stop him from running.

Also, most of the stuff they’re doing is off mesh concepts and RPOs. I’m not seeing a ton of Daniels “reading defenses.” I do see him correctly identifying keys.

I applaud what he’s done but his current style of play is not sustainable in the NFL with that frame. He’s not as thick as Lamar and Jackson has already had his fair share of injuries.

The RGIII comparison is actually quite fair. He was a beast when he was an elite threat to run. His play quickly diminished when that threat was gone.

I played Daniels in my weekly DFS contest because I felt he would get the best of Tampa. I could have used one more double bubble with him and Terry.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Who's arguing? I don't regard your takes as arguments....from my pov we're disgussing issues....sorry if I gave off that tone....believe me when I say I won't and don't answer posters that make no sense....I'm just saying that I disagree with your take that CW isn't a good 2-minute drill QB....I say he is and there were 4-6 games where he proved it, but either the D or STs let the team down. That was the only disagreement. Take care.
I put that person you mentioned on ignore like the first month I was on CCS.....don't need that bs in my life.

I was just cutting and pasting what someone else said to me. I agree with what you said.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

1. Guy posted last 8 game stats after Waldron removed.
2. Anytime a Moron said "nuanced stats!" sarcastically.
3. You responded to him and agreed. <--- clearly meaning those stats don't mean shit.
4. Conclusion - you think the Waldron/Eberflus issues were in fact a non-issue.

Should I paint a yellow brick road?

I don't know...are you capable of doing that?

Again, do you have any point? Guy posted 8 game stats after Waldron removed...and also posted that same arbitrary 8 game period of Jayden Daniels stats (rib injury, tho). So, why were Daniels' stats also cherry picked? Is your point that Shane Waldron being gone also had an impact on Jayden Daniels?