Bears made a mistake taking Williams over Daniels?

[Nelly]

Remember when RG3 lit the world on fire his rookie season? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[abegibronreborn]

Chicago Bears slammed for taking Caleb Williams over Jayden Daniels by former player

Jayden Daniels led the Washington Commanders to a playoff win on Sunday night. Did the Chicago Bears make a mistake drafting Caleb Williams?

www.chicitysports.com

In the short term, yes. There is no denying that JD has been better than CW to this point.

What the long-term answer will be remains to be seen. We can speculate (and maybe, hope) that things will change for the better, but we don't really know. What is known that while Daniels is preparing for a second playoff game, Williams is facing the prospect of starting over with a new head coach and a new coordinator. One situation is clearly superior to the other.

 

[Montucky]

Even if Caleb turns into a bust and Daniels ends up in the hall of fame it was not a mistake at the time, every team with the top pick and in need of a QB would have taken Williams. This is not Ryan Pace trading up to take unknown Trubisky over Mahomes.

This is bullshit. All of Caleb’s issues were plain as day on tape and his personality is obviously noxious. You can absolutely fault them if this goes to shit.

 

[Hoodey]

Remember when RG3 lit the world on fire his rookie season? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

So every QB who was good his rookie year is RG3 and every QB who wasn’t is Peyton manning. Got it.

 

[UChiLAbear]

Well, going into the year everyone in the world said the Bears was the best talent place for a rookie QB, and the Bears Head Coach was the betting favorite for Coach of the Year. What happened.

Real life happened and it wasn't as rosy as we had hoped it would be. Which is usually the case in real life......lol.......I'm not sure how Fantasy Football works but real life can hit hard as I'm sure we all can testify to sometime in our lives.

 

[abegibronreborn]

So every QB who was good his rookie year is RG3 and every QB who wasn’t is Peyton manning. Got it.

I hope that's not your only argument.

To this point, Daniels has been better than Caleb. One is not only in the playoffs, but he's also actually won a playoff game. The other led his team to a last place finish. Those are just facts.

Will Caleb end of having a better career when it's all said and done? Maybe - There's at least that hope. Right now, today, however, he's clearly behind Daniels in every meaningful way.

Time will tell, nothing else will.

 

[NoCourtesyFlush]

Remember when RG3 lit the world on fire his rookie season? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

JD is miles ahead of him as a passer and can actually read NFL defenses.

 

[NoCourtesyFlush]

No disagreement about Daniels. In addition we've got to admit, Daniels is in a much better situation in DC,
(coaching and team talent-wise)......than if he had been with the Bears.

Outside of Terry McLaurin (and obviously JD), there isn't a single offensive player on that team I'd give anything higher than a 5th round pick for. He's literally throwing to couch-sitters and fossils (Ertz? gtfo). I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were off the team next year.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I hope that's not your only argument.

To this point, Daniels has been better than Caleb. One is not only in the playoffs, but he's also actually won a playoff game. The other led his team to a last place finish. Those are just facts.

Will Caleb end of having a better career when it's all said and done? Maybe - There's at least that hope. Right now, today, however, he's clearly behind Daniels in every meaningful way.

Time will tell, nothing else will.

I watched the Bucs-Skins playoff game, and it was high intensity by both defenses. Washington's run game was pretty much ineffective, yet Daniels led them to a win. The biggest difference between Daniels and Caleb to me is that Daniels has command of the offense. He is poised and decisive. He can run a 2-minute drill.

My biggest disappointment with Caleb, aside from his inability to complete passes, is how he has no leadership presence and does not run an offense well. It's like he'd never played QB before, which is the opposite narrative we got during the draft.

 

[UChiLAbear]

I watched the Bucs-Skins playoff game, and it was high intensity by both defenses. Washington's run game was pretty much ineffective, yet Daniels led them to a win. The biggest difference between Daniels and Caleb to me is that Daniels has command of the offense. He is poised and decisive. He can run a 2-minute drill.

My biggest disappointment with Caleb, aside from his inability to complete passes, is how he has no leadership presence and does not run an offense well. It's like he'd never played QB before, which is the opposite narrative we got during the draft.

Am I right in presuming you didn't watch the 4th quarter of Bear games? Caleb showed he can run a 2-minute drill besides being the best 4th quarter QB in the NFL. Don't blame Caleb for the rest of the team letting us fans down.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I'm not sure who Williams is in this comparison, but yeah, I think Poles made a mistake letting James Daniels go.

 

[Neckbeard]

Reading the past page just made me dumber.

Thank you all.

 

[Anytime23]

So every QB who was good his rookie year is RG3 and every QB who wasn’t is Peyton manning. Got it.

Yep but if Williams lit it up year 1 he’d be every bit as generational as people hyped him up to be.

Every player they don’t draft sucks or is the benefactor of coaching and surrounding talent and the Bears players are just a year away from being the best players of all time.

 

[Neckbeard]

Yep but if Williams lit it up year 1 he’d be every bit as generational as people hyped him up to be.

Every player they don’t draft sucks or is the benefactor of coaching and surrounding talent and the Bears players are just a year away from being the best players of all time.

We all saw the deck stacked against CW, and we also saw flashes of crazy great throws in critical situations. I think most also say Maye had a rough go and a deck stacked against him as well.

IMO - Nix needs to improve or he will hit the year 2 wall hard. Daniels may regress slightly as well next year. Penix there's still too little game tape on.

In the end, year 1 doesn't mean crap either way. It's one data point. I remember when Mariota had a great 1st year, Mullins looked like a steal for 1/2 a year, and Minshew was the next great QB for a full season. We won't know until year 3 if these 2024 QBs are on the right track or not.

 

[Anytime23]

We all saw the deck stacked against CW, and we also saw flashes of crazy great throws in critical situations. I think most also say Maye had a rough go and a deck stacked against him as well.

IMO - Nix needs to improve or he will hit the year 2 wall hard. Daniels may regress slightly as well next year. Penix there's still too little game tape on.

In the end, year 1 doesn't mean crap either way. It's one data point. I remember when Mariota had a great 1st year, Mullins looked like a steal for 1/2 a year, and Minshew was the next great QB for a full season. We won't know until year 3 if these 2024 QBs are on the right track or not.

We went from “best situation for a #1 pick ever” to “deck stated against CW”

 

[abegibronreborn]

I watched the Bucs-Skins playoff game, and it was high intensity by both defenses. Washington's run game was pretty much ineffective, yet Daniels led them to a win. The biggest difference between Daniels and Caleb to me is that Daniels has command of the offense. He is poised and decisive. He can run a 2-minute drill.

My biggest disappointment with Caleb, aside from his inability to complete passes, is how he has no leadership presence and does not run an offense well. It's like he'd never played QB before, which is the opposite narrative we got during the draft.

Caleb shows flashes. He'll make an amazing throw - And then follow it up with "What the heck was that!" It's frustrating.

He has talent, no question. He's also consistently inconsistent. Maybe that will get fixed.

Maybe.

Daniels, however, seems to have figured a lot of things out already.

 

[Butkus34]

J Daniels has played well and had the college resume to show he can be productive against higher level competition. He may be close to his ceiling and that would be a damn good QB career, he may even continue to ascend and that would be good for the Commanders.

C Williams was labeled generational for all that he could do, but that also led people to overlook some of the things that he needs work on. He showed he can be very good in NFL with flashes and his play in crunch time. He needs to defnitely improve his overall game/qb work. He may just be flashes of brilliance and not reach his potential and could still wow with his stats and be an all time Bear great(not a high bar). If he keeps improving and rounding out his game and reach the elite level, he will be a top qb in league for years.

I don't think the Bears were wrong for taking CW. I do think they were wrong without scouting and meeting with all qbs going into that draft.

 

[Neckbeard]

We went from “best situation for a #1 pick ever” to “deck stated against CW”

One was a projection. The other was Waldron and Eberflus.

I don't get why nuanced discussion is impossible with you. Maybe I need to draw a pictorial in crayon.

 

[Yogi]

Final 8 games of the season for each (aka the post-Waldron era)

Caleb:
173 of 268 --> 64.6%
1,756 yards --> 6.6 y/a
11 TDs, 1 INT
30 sacks --> 10.1%
95.3 rating (6 games over 95 rating, 2 under)

Jayden:
168 of 252 --> 66.7%
1,623 yards --> 6.4 y/a
16 TDs, 7 INT
30 sacks --> 10.6%
94.1 rating (4 games over 95 rating, 4 under)

So Caleb had more yards, more yards per attempt, better TD:INT ratio, sacked the same amount of times with a slightly better %, better rating, and played more games at a high level. But yes, he's way behind as a player and a bust while Jayden is a future hall of famer.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Am I right in presuming you didn't watch the 4th quarter of Bear games? Caleb showed he can run a 2-minute drill besides being the best 4th quarter QB in the NFL. Don't blame Caleb for the rest of the team letting us fans down.

There would be times when he would take the full play clock to get the snap off, times when he needed to spike the ball and didn't, times when he should have called a timeout but didn't. Yeah, its anecdotal, but I'm just giving my opinion. He looked like a rookie, and the narrative was that Caleb was better than the average rookie in terms of 'grasp of the game'. I didn't see that.