Bears trade for Claypool

[Spitta Andretti]

I don't see them giving up a 2 and a 5 for a half season rental.

They will have 48+ million in cap space next year and can also move on from a couple players if they want.

The franchise tag for a QB is probably going to be about 28 million thats plenty of room.

Not if they want to keep Lamar past the initial franchise tag season. And the Rams just traded a 2nd and a 3rd for a rental. It happens. The fact that they get a comp pick back makes it less of a blow

It’ll be top 10 in the second round.

I don’t love or hate the move, just think Poles should have made a move in the previous off season or the upcoming off season. He waited until prices inflated when he could have just bet on Fields to begin with.

The WR prices have been inflated for a while now

 

[FatRabbit]

Bears offense gonna be after this trade unstoppable. Super Bowl 2022-23.

 

[Burque]

The trade by itself is strange to say the least. But you have to factor in helping Fields progress even further. If bringing Chase in unlocks more of Fields and helps to show that he is indeed a franchise QB, then it is more than worth it.

It is going to be kinda hard for Chase to help Fields when Fields is constantly on his back.... Unless you mean help him up off the ground.

All that elite speed and catching ability won't amount a bag of crap if Fields doesn't have the time to let him get downfield before he is kilt.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

It is going to be kinda hard for Chase to help Fields when Fields is constantly on his back.... Unless you mean help him up off the ground.

All that elite speed and catching ability won't amount a bag of crap if Fields doesn't have the time to let him get downfield before he is kilt.

He's had quite a few of those plays already. The WR hasn't really helped him out. Fields has had time different moments throughout the season

 

[Burque]

He's had quite a few of those plays already. The WR hasn't really helped him out. Fields has had time different moments throughout the season

They have to scheme time for him because the O-line cannot protect him. I think I would've preferred them to give up a 2nd for a starting O-lineman is what I am getting at.

 

[run and shoot]

Well he and Mooney have 4.3 speed. I don't get it. I'd be sending em deep 4x a game,

Velus can't catch is the problem

So he needs to hook up with Mooney and do this @1:43 and @1:47

 

[bamainatlanta]

WCBF thinks a nearly 30 yo ambulatory WR is a comp to Claypool in value.

I certainly understand the skepticism of the trade as I wasn’t exactly thrilled with it either but to offer up a highly overpaid, oft-injured, aging WR as a possible solution is quite hilarious.

 

[iueyedoc]

If you only want to consider cost and not production you could have just drafted a WR in the 1st. Again both the receivers I named have comparable or better stats than Claypool.

You asked me to find similar caliber players not carbon copies with the same contract and age.

I don’t even hate the trade I hate how poles boxed himself into a corner.

You keep repeating that I asked for "similar caliber players." You are full of shit, I never said that. I said comparable. Comparable reflects talent, cost, , expected remaining years of high level play, or do you suggest ignoring everything but stats when assessing a players value? As a GM that would be the epitome of football ignorance.

Simple question: Are you actually suggesting that the Patriots got a better deal giving up a 3rd rnd pick for a declining player on the tale end of his injury riddled career than the Bears giving up a second for a young ascending WR in Claypool?

If not, than why bring him up?

And if so...

 

[run and shoot]

I certainly understand the skepticism of the trade as I wasn’t exactly thrilled with it either but to offer up a highly overpaid, oft-injured, aging WR as a possible solution is quite hilarious.

They say he's "Very Low Risk".............?

Chase Claypool - Injury History - Draft Sharks​

 

[Burque]

And that’s fair. But it doesn’t change that you could have traded for Claypool or a similar caliber WR in the off-season or just wait until this upcoming off season.

I don’t love or hate this because it does get Justin much needed help but the move just feels like an over reaction and a panic move that Pace would have done.

That has been my opinion on this. I feel like he overspent. That is the long and short of it, if it turns into gold then nobody will give a damn about the big contract or 2nd rounder. If it doesn't it will hopefully be a learning experience for Poles to not make that type of mistake again.

 

[Burque]

we're mad tight, bro

 

[Spitta Andretti]

They have to scheme time for him because the O-line cannot protect him. I think I would've preferred them to give up a 2nd for a starting O-lineman is what I am getting at.

and that will still be upgraded

it was already explained that the FA class and draft class are both weak for WRs. There is bust potential when dealing with rookies and they still need time to acclimate themselves.

 

[remydat]

I’m not referring to anybody specifically. If you wanted Claypool specifically yes the deal has to be done now. But I don’t specifically want or need Claypool. I’m simply saying you could have landed a comparable player for probably less in the off season, as you even pointed out you do pay more for in season trades.

And the salary “relief” for Pittsburg is minimal at best as he’s on his rookie deal and not a 1st rounder.

You pay more for in season trades when the seller assumes salary like the Bears did for Quin and Quan. There is a huge difference between getting Quinn in the offseason where you have to pay 13m vs getting Quinn at the trade deadline for 622k. Or getting Quan in the offseason with a 10m salary vs 700k in season.

By contrast, there was no huge difference in price for Claypool between the offseason and now because he was still on his cheap rookie deal. So there would be no reason for the Steelers to discount him in the offseason relative to in-season.

Amari Copper is on pace for 1000 yards and 10 TDs and got moved this past off season for a 5th and a 6th. He’s 28 years old.

Devantae Parker and Claypool have virtually identical stats this season with similar shitty QB play and Parker cost NE a 3rd round pick.

Claypool is 5 years younger than Parker and 4 years younger than Cooper. Further, Cooper and Parker don't have the competition for targets that Claypool has. Like Diontae Johnson only has 376 yards this year. Do you think he would go for the same as Cooper or Parker. NFL teams are smart enough to evaluate players based on their age and situation. There is really no comparison between Cooper, Parker and Claypool when it comes to age or the competition for targets.

Let's make this simple. 29 year old Claypool is worth less than 24 year old Claypool so how have you accounted for the fact that the Bears are getting 4-5 more prime years by trading for 24 year old Claypool?

 

[Burque]

And what corner did he box himself into?

The one where he is going to have to pay tier one money for a WR and then Tier one money for a QB if the trade works out how he hopes it does.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

The one where he is going to have to pay tier one money for a WR and then Tier one money for a QB if the trade works out how he hopes it does.

"if the trade works out" then whats the damn problem? lol

if it worked out, then pay claypool. simple as that

 

[Burque]

I certainly understand the skepticism of the trade as I wasn’t exactly thrilled with it either but to offer up a highly overpaid, oft-injured, aging WR as a possible solution is quite hilarious.

I hear Kevin White is looking for work.....

 

[nvanprooyen]

It is going to be kinda hard for Chase to help Fields when Fields is constantly on his back.... Unless you mean help him up off the ground.

All that elite speed and catching ability won't amount a bag of crap if Fields doesn't have the time to let him get downfield before he is kilt.

Designed roll outs + PA + go routes = $$$

I can't wait to see it

 

[iueyedoc]

The one where he is going to have to pay tier one money for a WR and then Tier one money for a QB if the trade works out how he hopes it does.

Yeah I would totally hate if the Bears had to pay tier1 money to retain a tier 1 QB and tier 1 WR . I mean who wants those kind of problems? Then they might have to start worrying about money for gaudy diamond encrusted rings and parades.

 

[remydat]

The one where he is going to have to pay tier one money for a WR and then Tier one money for a QB if the trade works out how he hopes it does.

Why would that be a problem when you have 125m in cap space?

 

[Burque]

"if the trade works out" then whats the damn problem? lol

if it worked out, then pay claypool. simple as that

I already said in a previous post that if this all works out golden nobody will care about the money or the 2nd.

But Poles created a situation that either
A. works out great but he has to spend a chit ton of money,
B. Works out great but doesn't spend the bag of money and lets Chase walk basically giving up a 2nd rd pick for a 1.5 year rental on a team that isn't winning anything, or
C. Chase gets hurt or doesn't play up to expectation and we wasted a 2nd round pick.

Now, we all want option A to happen, me included.

But The fact remains that Poles painted himself into a corner that he didn't need to to bring in a questionable #1 WR on a team that isn't competing for anything before he will have to pay said WR. This WR happens to be a deep threat on a team that cannot protect its QB for very long making the decision even a little more suspect imo.