Bears trade for Claypool

[pseudonym]

How many drops can you remember from this year? So many really good passes dropped by Pettis, ESB, etc. How has our DEF been this year, and how did Quan play? If Claypool is a stud WR2 this is a great move. If he becomes a WR1, feasting on deep passes from Fields? Home run.

 

[Sculpt]

How many drops can you remember from this year? So many really good passes dropped by Pettis, ESB, etc. How has our DEF been this year, and how did Quan play? If Claypool is a stud WR2 this is a great move. If he becomes a WR1, feasting on deep passes from Fields? Home run.

I was just looking at Quan's PFF rating this year...

50.8

But he's tied for 2nd (among LBs) with the most tackles. and tied for 1st Most Interceptions at 2.

How can he have an over score of 50.8?

The highest score is 86.5 (Demario Davis), the Quan isn't even in the top 100.

 

[PaytonHighstep]

I get that he buffers that in some ways, but I thought that is what Pringle, St brown, and Harry were brought in for.

Also people keep saying the WR draft class is weak. That is all speculation, much like people are speculating that Claypool is going to come here and be a true #1 guy.

I was very happy to have three picks in the 1st two rounds, and I really think the team needs to be protective of their early draft capital because we have seen what happens when you aren't.

I feel those 3 were cheap roster fillers with potential upside, if they figure it out. Claypool is viewed differently than any of those 3. Harry is a big body who has tools/potential, but can he develop? If so, now you have a young WR room with potential. If not, he’s cheap to get rid of.

Draft Class being weak or not deep is speculation, but I’m not going into the draft and off-season thinking I’ll find a Diamond in the rough of something that many don’t see a ton of depth in at the moment. I believe this was a play to not overpay in free agency next year and not tip their hand to taking WR early in the draft, if one is available when they draft.

I liked the 3 early picks too, but I’m ok sacrificing one for Claypool.

 

[iueyedoc]

I was just looking at Quan's PFF rating this year...

50.8

But he's tied for 2nd (among LBs) with the most tackles. and tied for 1st Most Interceptions at 2.

How can he have an over score of 50.8?

I mean its PFF... so grain of salt and all
Anyway, his last pick was a ball tipped 15 feet in the air that fell right to him , zero skill needed, can't recall the first. And as for tackles he is tied for 11th with 5 other LB's in TFL, has 0 forced or recovered fumbles and has been frequently juked or completely out of position on goal line and other critical situations. If you have PFF premium, or maybe @remydat can tell us where Roquan ranks in average depth of tackle( AVDT) amongst LB's. I doubt it will be particularly impressive.

He is kinda of a Stafford-esque stats stuffer.

 

[TL1961]

It’s 12 right now. You think that number is going to go down?

No matter how hard you try, a 2nd round pick is not a 1st round pick.

 

[Stonewall]

Belichick compares Steelers WR Chase Claypool to a Patriots legend

Steelers wideout Chase Claypool is a tough matchup with his unique blend of size, speed and skill, and that fact is not lost on Patriots coach Bill Belichick entering Sunday’s Week 2 game.

www.nbcsports.com

Patriots head coach Bill Belichick has a lot of respect for Claypool's abilities, so much so that he compared the Steelers wideout to Patriots legend Rob Gronkowski.

"Big, fast, really good hands, big catch radius. He's kind of always open, reminds me of a guy like [Rob] Gronkowski," Belichick told reporters at a press conference Friday. "No matter where you are on him, there's a place where he can reach and get the ball that you can't reach and get the ball. I know they use him in a variety of ways, down the field, catch-and-run plays, hand him the ball, plays and things like that.

 

[TL1961]

But my point is whether or not you want to call it a high 2nd rounder or a mid 2nd rounder you probably could have gotten a similar WR for less before or after this season.

That's pure speculation.

Every fan seems to think he could buy for less than NFL GMs and sell for more. Be realistic.

 

[TL1961]

Feeling the need to overpay for a receiver.

Says the man suggesting they use a 1st rounder to draft one.

 

[TL1961]

It is going to be kinda hard for Chase to help Fields when Fields is constantly on his back.... Unless you mean help him up off the ground.

All that elite speed and catching ability won't amount a bag of crap if Fields doesn't have the time to let him get downfield before he is kilt.

You haven't watched games recently, I take it.

 

[remydat]

Because we have a BUNCH of spots that are going to require capital and not pennies, big capital.

FFS I know you guys have all been around for the last several years and seen what happens when you throw away draft capital and big money.

I would think that at least some of you would remember how painful it was to watch the draft without any picks and how hard it was to watch FA occur when you knew your team wasn't going to be able to afford any top tier talent.

My whole point over this trade is that I think Poles made a mistake. He gave away too much in giving a 2nd AND potentially a big contract. Do I hope that it works out and Chase becomes a stud #1 that we HAVE to give a bag of money to, sure! Do I think this is building through the draft? nope.

We have 8 fucking picks dude and 125m. Your argument makes no sense in this context.

Getting a 24 year old WR who has the physical gifts to be a No 1 is not throwing away a pick.

 

[remydat]

Who would you rather have straight up...

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

Claypool and it is not close. WR > Off ball LB.

 

[remydat]

I mean its PFF... so grain of salt and all
Anyway, his last pick was a ball tipped 15 feet in the air that fell right to him , zero skill needed, can't recall the first. And as for tackles he is tied for 11th with 5 other LB's in TFL, has 0 forced or recovered fumbles and has been frequently juked or completely out of position on goal line and other critical situations. If you have PFF premium, or maybe @remydat can tell us where Roquan ranks in average depth of tackle( AVDT) amongst LB's. I doubt it will be particularly impressive.

He is kinda of a Stafford-esque stats stuffer.

PFF doesnt have that. Quan led the NFL in run stuffs though which is a tackle that constitues a failure for the O. So for example 1 yard gain on 3rd and 2. Or 2 yard gain on 1st and 10. He also was 1st in passer rating against. Last year he was 1st in TFLs.

Quan has a bad PFF grade because he is feast or famine. If he can run around a block or beat the blocker to the RB then he will make the ball. If they get their hands on him then he cant shed blocks.

Given how bad the DL is in front of him he is not unblocked as much as you would want. Hence why 3T is so important in this D. You need someone to command dpuble teams so that the WILL can flow to the ball.

 

[iueyedoc]

PFF doesnt have that. Quan led the NFL in run stuffs though which is a tackle that constitues a failure for the O. So for example 1 yard gain on 3rd and 2. Or 2 yard gain on 1st and 10. He also was 1st in passer rating against. Last year he was 1st in TFLs.

Quan has a bad PFF grade because he is feast or famine. If he can run around a block or beat the blocker to the RB then he will make the ball. If they get their hands on him then he cant shed blocks.

Given how bad the DL is in front of him he is not unblocked as much as you would want. Hence why 3T is so important in this D. You need someone to command dpuble teams so that the WILL can flow to the ball.

What does AVDT stand for in player run defense grades? It's locked for us non payers.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

You pay more for in season trades when the seller assumes salary like the Bears did for Quin and Quan. There is a huge difference between getting Quinn in the offseason where you have to pay 13m vs getting Quinn at the trade deadline for 622k. Or getting Quan in the offseason with a 10m salary vs 700k in season.

By contrast, there was no huge difference in price for Claypool between the offseason and now because he was still on his cheap rookie deal. So there would be no reason for the Steelers to discount him in the offseason relative to in-season.



Claypool is 5 years younger than Parker and 4 years younger than Cooper. Further, Cooper and Parker don't have the competition for targets that Claypool has. Like Diontae Johnson only has 376 yards this year. Do you think he would go for the same as Cooper or Parker. NFL teams are smart enough to evaluate players based on their age and situation. There is really no comparison between Cooper, Parker and Claypool when it comes to age or the competition for targets.

Let's make this simple. 29 year old Claypool is worth less than 24 year old Claypool so how have you accounted for the fact that the Bears are getting 4-5 more prime years by trading for 24 year old Claypool?

Yeah that’s

You pay more for in season trades when the seller assumes salary like the Bears did for Quin and Quan. There is a huge difference between getting Quinn in the offseason where you have to pay 13m vs getting Quinn at the trade deadline for 622k. Or getting Quan in the offseason with a 10m salary vs 700k in season.

By contrast, there was no huge difference in price for Claypool between the offseason and now because he was still on his cheap rookie deal. So there would be no reason for the Steelers to discount him in the offseason relative to in-season.



Claypool is 5 years younger than Parker and 4 years younger than Cooper. Further, Cooper and Parker don't have the competition for targets that Claypool has. Like Diontae Johnson only has 376 yards this year. Do you think he would go for the same as Cooper or Parker. NFL teams are smart enough to evaluate players based on their age and situation. There is really no comparison between Cooper, Parker and Claypool when it comes to age or the competition for targets.

Let's make this simple. 29 year old Claypool is worth less than 24 year old Claypool so how have you accounted for the fact that the Bears are getting 4-5 more prime years by trading for 24 year old Claypool?

You only get 4-5 more prime years with those 2 specific players. Again, if you’re cool with the trade good for you. I am too to a certain degree.

I think it’s a an overpay but that’s to be expected to a certain degree. The Roquan trade certainly makes it easier to swallow but if Poles just addressed the position in the draft, FA, or a trade this past season you could have had better value.

Again to each his own. Fields needs the help either way.

 

[gobullschi]

The WR draft and FA class aren’t any good this year, so trading for Claypool makes a ton of sense. I’m not convinced he’s a WR1 , but he does have the athleticism to be. If Getsy can turn Adams into a WR1, I’m hopeful he can do the same with Claypool. It’s a calculated gamble.

If I’m Poles, I trade down to acquire draft picks in 2024, where there is a much better WR draft class and get some defensive talent (Myles Murphy/Bryan Breese). Claypool gets a full year to prove himself.

 

[remydat]

What does AVDT stand for in player run defense grades? It's locked for us non payers.

Ah never noticed that before. That is average depth of tackle and Quan is 17th at 3.4 yards.

 

[remydat]

You only get 4-5 more prime years with those 2 specific players. Again, if you’re cool with the trade good for you. I am too to a certain degree.

I think it’s a an overpay but that’s to be expected to a certain degree. The Roquan trade certainly makes it easier to swallow but if Poles just addressed the position in the draft, FA, or a trade this past season you could have had better value.

Again to each his own. Fields needs the help either way.

From my perspective Claypool would be.

No 2 WR in 2022 draft (Olave 1st)
No 1 WR in 2022 FA
No 1 WR in 2023 draft
No 1 WR in 2023 FA

So I am fine with trading a 2nd rounder for him.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

From my perspective Claypool would be.

No 2 WR in 2022 draft (Olave 1st)
No 1 WR in 2022 FA
No 1 WR in 2023 draft
No 1 WR in 2023 FA

So I am fine with trading a 2nd rounder for him.

Yep . WR market is shit this year, poles got way ahead of this

 

[iueyedoc]

Ah never noticed that before. That is average depth of tackle and Quan is 17th at 3.4 yards.

You're welcome.
17th a LB or overall?

Too bad PFF doesn't stick to that kind of factual statistic.

 

[remydat]

You're welcome.
17th a LB or overall?

Too bad PFF doesn't stick to that kind of factual statistic.

LB. To be fair not sure how much stock to put in it as not that different than Wagner, Leonard or Warner over the years. Seems to fluctuate quite a bit year over year.