Bears trade for Claypool

[modo]

Not if they want to keep Lamar past the initial franchise tag season. And the Rams just traded a 2nd and a 3rd for a rental. It happens. The fact that they get a comp pick back makes it less of a blow



The WR prices have been inflated for a while now

They can always negotiate under the tag.

They will find a way to afford both.

 

[Sculpt]

Who would you rather have straight up...

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

 

[Burque]

Why would that be a problem when you have 125m in cap space?

Because we have a BUNCH of spots that are going to require capital and not pennies, big capital.

FFS I know you guys have all been around for the last several years and seen what happens when you throw away draft capital and big money.

I would think that at least some of you would remember how painful it was to watch the draft without any picks and how hard it was to watch FA occur when you knew your team wasn't going to be able to afford any top tier talent.

My whole point over this trade is that I think Poles made a mistake. He gave away too much in giving a 2nd AND potentially a big contract. Do I hope that it works out and Chase becomes a stud #1 that we HAVE to give a bag of money to, sure! Do I think this is building through the draft? nope.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I already said in a previous post that if this all works out golden nobody will care about the money or the 2nd.

But Poles created a situation that either
A. works out great but he has to spend a chit ton of money,
B. Works out great but doesn't spend the bag of money and lets Chase walk basically giving up a 2nd rd pick for a 1.5 year rental on a team that isn't winning anything, or
C. Chase gets hurt or doesn't play up to expectation and we wasted a 2nd round pick.

Now, we all want option A to happen, me included.

But The fact remains that Poles painted himself into a corner that he didn't need to to bring in a questionable #1 WR on a team that isn't competing for anything before he will have to pay said WR. This WR happens to be a deep threat on a team that cannot protect its QB for very long making the decision even a little more suspect imo.

I honestly have no clue WTF this means.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

They can always negotiate under the tag.

They will find a way to afford both.

i dont see it

not when both players are without an agent and negotiate for themselves. Lamar wants his entire contract guaranteed and they will more than likely have to tag him. That leaves Ro with the option to go to free agency and i believe he will

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Who would you rather have straight up...

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

Depends on salary

 

[pseudonym]

Designed roll outs + PA + go routes = $$$

I can't wait to see it

Any time they can get Claypool deep and one-on-one that's going to be a win.

 

[Sculpt]

Depends on salary

No doubt.

But straight up means if you don't consider salary and years on contract...

just who would you rather have on the team ?

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Why would that be a problem when you have 125m in cap space?

Poles is going to spend that on cocaine and hookers

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Future cunting. Wow.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Future cunting. Wow.

Next level cunting.

Only on CCS.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

No doubt.

But straight up means if you don't consider salary and years on contract...

just who would you rather have on the team ?

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

That’s tough. Quan is clearly the better player. But WR is clearly the more impactful position.

 

[iueyedoc]

No doubt.

But straight up means if you don't consider salary and years on contract...

just who would you rather have on the team ?

Claypool -- or -- Roquan Smith ?

Above average WR on a team in dire need of an above average WR vs top 5 ILB at possibly least impactful position and easiest replaceable on defense. I think I take Claypool. Factor in aid to promising developing QB, money, and signability and it turns into a no brainer.

 

[Burque]

I honestly have no clue WTF this means.

Claypool is a high Tier two possible Tier one receiver.

Claypools Rookie contract will be over before the Bears are competitive unless they completely flip it around next season. doubtful

Claypool Will most likely start stumping for a big money contract after this season, unless he doesn't play well and wants to play out his rookie deal. In either case he will want Big money soon.

So Poles painted himself into a corner by using a 2nd rd pick he could've used on a rookie (question mark) big bodied WR on a 4 year rookie contract, instead of using that same pick on a (slightly less question mark) that is going to want money much sooner.

 

[iueyedoc]

Because we have a BUNCH of spots that are going to require capital and not pennies, big capital.

FFS I know you guys have all been around for the last several years and seen what happens when you throw away draft capital and big money.

I would think that at least some of you would remember how painful it was to watch the draft without any picks and how hard it was to watch FA occur when you knew your team wasn't going to be able to afford any top tier talent.

My whole point over this trade is that I think Poles made a mistake. He gave away too much in giving a 2nd AND potentially a big contract. Do I hope that it works out and Chase becomes a stud #1 that we HAVE to give a bag of money to, sure! Do I think this is building through the draft? nope.

So you hope he becomes a #1 that we have to pay, but you are bitching about possibly having to pay him tier 1 money?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Claypool is a high Tier two possible Tier one receiver.

Claypools Rookie contract will be over before the Bears are competitive unless they completely flip it around next season. doubtful

Claypool Will most likely start stumping for a big money contract after this season, unless he doesn't play well and wants to play out his rookie deal. In either case he will want Big money soon.

So Poles painted himself into a corner by using a 2nd rd pick he could've used on a rookie (question mark) big bodied WR on a 4 year rookie contract, instead of using that same pick on a (slightly less question mark) that is going to want money much sooner.

I mean the absolute horror…. The Bears actually have a good QB and WR and need to pay them. What a disaster……. ?‍

 

[PaytonHighstep]

I already said in a previous post that if this all works out golden nobody will care about the money or the 2nd.

But Poles created a situation that either
A. works out great but he has to spend a chit ton of money,
B. Works out great but doesn't spend the bag of money and lets Chase walk basically giving up a 2nd rd pick for a 1.5 year rental on a team that isn't winning anything, or
C. Chase gets hurt or doesn't play up to expectation and we wasted a 2nd round pick.

Now, we all want option A to happen, me included.

But The fact remains that Poles painted himself into a corner that he didn't need to to bring in a questionable #1 WR on a team that isn't competing for anything before he will have to pay said WR. This WR happens to be a deep threat on a team that cannot protect its QB for very long making the decision even a little more suspect imo.

He doesn't have to pay Claypool or make that decision until after the 2023 season, so Poles has time. Even though they gave up the Bears 2nd to get Claypool, they also didn't like the open market free agent class, plus along those same lines do you want to pay the inflated rate when free agency hits? Look at what happened last offseason with WR contracts. Bears drafting WRs through the years has been terrible, but this is a new regime. I still think they'll look WR in the draft, but maybe not in the first couple of rounds. If you put all your eggs into drafting a WR in the 2023 Draft, then that's a huge risk. Reports are the WR draft class isn't as highly thought of either. Claypool buffers that risk because he's at least somewhat of a known commodity at this point.

I thought Roquan was a bigger risk to keep and think what they got in return was ok enough to make that trade. To me, you basically traded Roquan for Claypool, move down in the 2nd rd a bit (we don't know exactly how many spots this will be yet), gain a 5th Rd pick and a journeyman LB. Roquan was going to either be Franchise tagged, hold out or get overpaid on a long-term deal. I guess he could've walked with zero compensation too, so that wasn't ideal at all after what we saw in the offseason with him. Every little thing that has happened with Roquan, since he was drafted, feels like it was moving in a direction that the team wasn't sold on him long-term. I like Roquan, but I'm ok not paying an inflated salary for a LB too. Heck, if he doesn't get the deal in Baltimore he wants, I suppose they could always re-sign him in Chicago if the money/contract align with what Poles/Bears wanted to spend.

 

[Sculpt]

That’s tough. Quan is clearly the better player. But WR is clearly the more impactful position.

Right, for the Bears right now, Claypool is probably more important to the Bears than Quan, cause the next player below Mooney is a big jump down for WR.

 

[Burque]

So you hope he becomes a #1 that we have to pay, but you are bitching about possibly having to pay him tier 1 money?

No, I am bitching about the draft capital combined with the tier one money.

In my very original post on this I sated "I would've been ok with it if it was a 3rd rounder and happy with it if it was a 4th."

I know they have the money, my complaint is that they spent too much when you combine the two. and they did it at a time when it wasn't the last piece they needed. They still have a lot of holes to fill.

 

[Burque]

He doesn't have to pay Claypool or make that decision until after the 2023 season, so Poles has time. Even though they gave up the Bears 2nd to get Claypool, they also didn't like the open market free agent class, plus along those same lines do you want to pay the inflated rate when free agency hits? Look at what happened last offseason with WR contracts. Bears drafting WRs through the years has been terrible, but this is a new regime. I still think they'll look WR in the draft, but maybe not in the first couple of rounds. If you put all your eggs into drafting a WR in the 2023 Draft, then that's a huge risk. Reports are the WR draft class isn't as highly thought of either. Claypool buffers that risk because he's at least somewhat of a known commodity at this point.

I thought Roquan was a bigger risk to keep and think what they got in return was ok enough to make that trade. To me, you basically traded Roquan for Claypool, move down in the 2nd rd a bit (we don't know exactly how many spots this will be yet), gain a 5th Rd pick and a journeyman LB. Roquan was going to either be Franchise tagged, hold out or get overpaid on a long-term deal. I guess he could've walked with zero compensation too, so that wasn't ideal at all after what we saw in the offseason with him. Every little thing that has happened with Roquan, since he was drafted, feels like it was moving in a direction that the team wasn't sold on him long-term. I like Roquan, but I'm ok not paying an inflated salary for a LB too. Heck, if he doesn't get the deal in Baltimore he wants, I suppose they could always re-sign him in Chicago if the money/contract align with what Poles/Bears wanted to spend.

I get that he buffers that in some ways, but I thought that is what Pringle, St brown, and Harry were brought in for.

Also people keep saying the WR draft class is weak. That is all speculation, much like people are speculating that Claypool is going to come here and be a true #1 guy.

I was very happy to have three picks in the 1st two rounds, and I really think the team needs to be protective of their early draft capital because we have seen what happens when you aren't.