Blackhawks 2022-23 SEASON THREAD

[LordKOTL]

What does landing bedard have to do with depth? They have years before this team is ready to develop depth. Next few years they have many picks and I’m betting they will be getting more before trade deadline. You will get allot of potential depth to develop in the next three years

You don't have to necessarily develop depth, you can acquire it through trades and FA signings as well. What is hard is acquiring cornerstones through the FA market and trades because they cost so much. You might get a rare one like Hossa but realistically, the bulk of the 'hawks cup-winning core was developed from within: Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Hjammer, and Crawford.

The 'hawks lack the potential cornerstones. Toews and Kane are aging out and Jones is less cornerstone more a support piece--he's less Keith more Campbell. Landing Bedard is adding a cornerstone piece...same with Fantilli but to a lesser extent. Korch might be another gem.

Once the 'hawks have their next cornerstones in position, then they can worry about depth.

Well, if they luck into Bedard, they hit a grand slam.

That said, they need to hit a home run on every high pick for the next three years, and not pick trash like Bustvist with a top ten pick or mediocre talents like Dach who are getting 70% o-zone starts and still floundering playing with good talents.

The jury is still out this regime can find players in the later rounds who can contribute. Drafting Bedard is easy if you have the first pick. Finding Duncan Keith in the second round is a little harder to do

True, luck does play a huge factor. Keep in mind the previous gen could have been even stronger had they *not* taken Barker 3rdOA in 2004. Not all picks pan out, but you are right in that for every missed high pick, you have to score on the harder to hit lower pics--which the 'hawks did in 2004: nailing Bolland, Bickell, and Brouwer in that draft; all of whom played good support roles in the 2010 and/or 2013 cups. The 2019 draft? Maybe Vlassic won't be as useless as a ****-flavored lollipop?

We'll have to see, though. Some guys just can't make the jump to the pros and even the best scouting teams miss. But, so far the results of the current team look better than the previous management generation.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605299978813030401

If they can dump jones holy shit lol

 

[KBIB]

Sounds like you are giving up on last years draft already?

Noooo

Korchinski is going to be a stud. I think the draft media was so enamored with the two euros that they completely missed the boat on this kid. This kid might have been the best defenseman in the draft. Trading Cat for him is a rabbit hole I'm not going down because KD traded talent for talent, but that was an excellent pick.

Nazar I'm not sold on. I think he was damaged goods before the draft. His wheels and hands meant he was a top five pick. There's a reason he fell. Hopefully I'm just seeing the bad but I really don't think I am. I think he's going to be one of those players who are perpetually injured all the time.

And Rinzel is a better skating Connor Murphy. We already have him (hopefully not for long) and there were a few players who would have been better value. KD has put speed at a premium and this kid isn't fast. He wasn't moving up the draft on draft day.

There was a player they took in the second round who was ranked at 150. There was a player they took later that was ranked 360th. I don't even think there's 360 draft picks in the draft any more. That reeks of smartest guy in the room syndrome.

They are shitting on every Blowman blunder and I don't blame them. But, Blowman drafted Reichel, Allan, and Del Mastro. Those three have a chance at being solid NHL'ers in my opinion.

It remains to be seen what the new regime thinks.

 

[KBIB]

You don't have to necessarily develop depth, you can acquire it through trades and FA signings as well. What is hard is acquiring cornerstones through the FA market and trades because they cost so much. You might get a rare one like Hossa but realistically, the bulk of the 'hawks cup-winning core was developed from within: Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Hjammer, and Crawford.

The 'hawks lack the potential cornerstones. Toews and Kane are aging out and Jones is less cornerstone more a support piece--he's less Keith more Campbell. Landing Bedard is adding a cornerstone piece...same with Fantilli but to a lesser extent. Korch might be another gem.

Once the 'hawks have their next cornerstones in position, then they can worry about depth.

True, luck does play a huge factor. Keep in mind the previous gen could have been even stronger had they *not* taken Barker 3rdOA in 2004. Not all picks pan out, but you are right in that for every missed high pick, you have to score on the harder to hit lower pics--which the 'hawks did in 2004: nailing Bolland, Bickell, and Brouwer in that draft; all of whom played good support roles in the 2010 and/or 2013 cups. The 2019 draft? Maybe Vlassic won't be as useless as a ****-flavored lollipop?

We'll have to see, though. Some guys just can't make the jump to the pros and even the best scouting teams miss. But, so far the results of the current team look better than the previous management generation.

I'll never forget Tallon saying Barker was the second coming of Denis Potvin. No, I'm not making that up ge actually said it.

That said, you really can't blame him for taking Barker that draft. His year before his draft year he was a complete monster.

If he actually learned how to skate he might have been the next Potvin

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think if we don’t win this Columbus game at home, we are gonna wear some records you’d rather not see happen to you.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Just a hypothetical, but what if the talk in the organization is Bedard and ride?

Like…they will decide on Kane/Toews depending on Bedard. Land him, sign the Cat in free agency, sign Dach in free agency the year after. Rush everyone on defense, and trade for Lehnar on a half eaten contract.

Sign Saad. And trade for Pananarin after Kane/Toews take discounts to be lifers and finish as the old Wizards on the new crew. Supplements and magicians of the next wave of Hawks.

 

[Granada]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605299978813030401

If they can dump jones holy shit lol

I'd be fine with it and honestly, I think Jones would be too, but the trading team would have to take the whole salary and not this "you eat half" crap. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth it for the Hawks to get rid of him. For 7 years, 9.5 is a tall order for a lot of teams.

 

[KBIB]

I'd be fine with it and honestly, I think Jones would be too, but the trading team would have to take the whole salary and not this "you eat half" crap. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth it for the Hawks to get rid of him. For 7 years, 9.5 is a tall order for a lot of teams.

Friedman said supposedly the Sens were sniffing around Seth and whatever they offered was turned down quick by KD.

KD will shoot this franchise in the foot for a decade if he retains anything on Seth. I'd much rather see what he can do with talent around him first before launching the guy into the sun. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete again he's hopefully a 9.5 million third pairing guy that KD can move with a sweetener to Arizona.

 

[KBIB]

And then I learned Michkov is signed until 2026, which would make him 21 when he comes over.

After watching some of his game footage of this year, I'm still saying this is the only Russian I wouldn't have an issue waiting for.

Right now I have Bedard at 1, but Michkov is alot, and I mean alot better then Fantilli and Fantilli is going to be Eichel lite.

The Hawks need to suck for a top three pick. With the rules in place and the propensity of this team being the drizzling shits right now they can pick no lower then 2. That's the good news.

The bad news is who do you take? Fantilli or Michkov? I think you still take Fantilli with a generational goal scorer in Michkov right there.

This could be averted if the Hawks win the lottery.

I will say this tho, if the Hawks win the lottery and don't take Bedard, I'm giving up on the Chicago Blackhawks.

 

[LordKOTL]

I'll never forget Tallon saying Barker was the second coming of Denis Potvin. No, I'm not making that up ge actually said it.

That said, you really can't blame him for taking Barker that draft. His year before his draft year he was a complete monster.

If he actually learned how to skate he might have been the next Potvin

True, you can't blame him for Barker at the time, but we missed there. Bolland, Bickell, and Brouwer made up for it though. My point was that it was possible to blow a pick but still come out ahead. So even if, hypothetically, KD misses on one high pick if he lands on a couple of lower ones all could he right in the world, he just has to hit on the important high picks. We'll see, though. We're less than a season into the rebuild.

 

[Granada]

Friedman said supposedly the Sens were sniffing around Seth and whatever they offered was turned down quick by KD.

KD will shoot this franchise in the foot for a decade if he retains anything on Seth. I'd much rather see what he can do with talent around him first before launching the guy into the sun. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete again he's hopefully a 9.5 million third pairing guy that KD can move with a sweetener to Arizona.

Yeah, if you're Davidson, you'd just hope he pans out on a stacked roster. It's somewhat of a safe bet, considering he is an established NHL talent; and it certainly beats eating any of his salary for an infinity just to move him.

 

[Granada]

And then I learned Michkov is signed until 2026, which would make him 21 when he comes over.

After watching some of his game footage of this year, I'm still saying this is the only Russian I wouldn't have an issue waiting for.

Right now I have Bedard at 1, but Michkov is alot, and I mean alot better then Fantilli and Fantilli is going to be Eichel lite.

The Hawks need to suck for a top three pick. With the rules in place and the propensity of this team being the drizzling shits right now they can pick no lower then 2. That's the good news.

The bad news is who do you take? Fantilli or Michkov? I think you still take Fantilli with a generational goal scorer in Michkov right there.

This could be averted if the Hawks win the lottery.

I will say this tho, if the Hawks win the lottery and don't take Bedard, I'm giving up on the Chicago Blackhawks.

I forgot where I heard it now, maybe the Spittin Chiclets guys, but they were saying that the top 4 are must-have players. That made me feel a bit better, considering the nightmare scenario that the Hawks fall out of the top-3 in the lottery. Not sure if they're right though and they didn't say who the 4th player is.

 

[KBIB]

I forgot where I heard it now, maybe the Spittin Chiclets guys, but they were saying that the top 4 are must-have players. That made me feel a bit better, considering the nightmare scenario that the Hawks fall out of the top-3 in the lottery. Not sure if they're right though and they didn't say who the 4th player is.

Leo Carlsson.

A big kid playing against men in Sweden.

I would mind him, either and I'm not the biggest guy in taking euros over NA kids.

If something miraculous happens and the Hawks get the fourth pick I'm fine with this. He would have went first overall in 22

 

[Raskolnikov]

Just a hypothetical, but what if the talk in the organization is Bedard and ride?

Like…they will decide on Kane/Toews depending on Bedard. Land him, sign the Cat in free agency, sign Dach in free agency the year after. Rush everyone on defense, and trade for Lehnar on a half eaten contract.

Sign Saad. And trade for Pananarin after Kane/Toews take discounts to be lifers and finish as the old Wizards on the new crew. Supplements and magicians of the next wave of Hawks.

Bedard is a once a decade scorer.
Russian a once in 5 years player.
Swede and Fantili worthy #1 picks and top line player.

Korchinski plus this years player is hopefully a foundation.

 

[ytsejam]

Chelios wants you to drink his tequila.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm still hoping that we can get something somehow worked out to get us another first this year to bundle up and have 2 lottery picks

 

[Bigfoot]

Such a joke watching this shit team. I finally get a chance to watch a full game since my boys don’t have hockey for a couple weeks, and I get to watch this shit show of a franchise.

 

[ytsejam]

Nashville's horrid yellow jerseys even look like shit on the radio.

 

[Bigfoot]

Noooo

Korchinski is going to be a stud. I think the draft media was so enamored with the two euros that they completely missed the boat on this kid. This kid might have been the best defenseman in the draft. Trading Cat for him is a rabbit hole I'm not going down because KD traded talent for talent, but that was an excellent pick.

Nazar I'm not sold on. I think he was damaged goods before the draft. His wheels and hands meant he was a top five pick. There's a reason he fell. Hopefully I'm just seeing the bad but I really don't think I am. I think he's going to be one of those players who are perpetually injured all the time.

And Rinzel is a better skating Connor Murphy. We already have him (hopefully not for long) and there were a few players who would have been better value. KD has put speed at a premium and this kid isn't fast. He wasn't moving up the draft on draft day.

There was a player they took in the second round who was ranked at 150. There was a player they took later that was ranked 360th. I don't even think there's 360 draft picks in the draft any more. That reeks of smartest guy in the room syndrome.

They are shitting on every Blowman blunder and I don't blame them. But, Blowman drafted Reichel, Allan, and Del Mastro. Those three have a chance at being solid NHL'ers in my opinion.

It remains to be seen what the new regime thinks.

I’m not sold on this regime. Outside of Korchinski, the other 1st round picks seemed like reaches.

 

[Bigfoot]

This game reminds me of my oldest son u14 and u18 teams he plays on. Missed assignments and lazy ass back checks