Blackhawks Trade Dead-Line Is Here! Time Running Out!

[nwfisch]

http://committedindians.com/stan-bowman-history-as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/

I forgot about kim johnsson, pisani etc. but he did trade for Leddy! woot!

Not sure if sarcastic or serious about Leddy.

 

[HawkWriter]

Looking forward to when they're golfing early again.

Why would any fan of the Blackhawks say they are looking forward to when they're golfing again? No fan should say this. As a fan, I believe you should root for this team and do your best to stand behind the team that the Blackhawks have. The team that is currently first place in the conference and running away with the division.

 

[Capt. Serious]

and no offense Mr HawkPoser, I actually met Stan at Navy Pier a few years ago.

the guy is an arrogant asshole. and his refusal to deal his precious prospects for proven help shows it.

keep sucking his nuts because of his drafting. when they're golfing early again, the excuses will be flying out.

 

[HawkWriter]

and no offense Mr HawkPoser, I actually met Stan at Navy Pier a few years ago.

the guy is an arrogant asshole. and his refusal to deal his precious prospects for proven help shows it.

keep sucking his nuts because of his drafting. when they're golfing early again, the excuses will be flying out.

That is your response to what I wrote? "With all due respect sir" you can't just say "no offense" and then go on a rant like that which has very little to do with my actual post or hockey in general. I don't care that you met Stan at Navy Peir a few years ago. You calling him an arrogant asshole doesn't surprise me one bit. These things don't matter and don't have anything to do with the Blackhawks quite frankly.

Prospects and draft picks are more valuable than ever with the new CBA. One of the big reasons the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in 2010 was because of contributions from players on ELC.

His refusal to trade prospects for proven help shows what? Saad, Shaw, and Kruger are all prospects that I'm sure teams would have loved and asked for over the last couple years...and now these guys are playing important roles on a FIRST PLACE team. There are a lot of other highly touted prospects in the system. Supposedly about every team the Blackhawks spoke to today were asking for Saad and the Blackhawks said "no"...as they should have.

I didn't see one trade today that I would have liked to see the Blackhawks make or match. The only trades that would have made sense (Based on price or need) were a trade for Roy or Iginla. Iginla chose where he wanted to go (which is why the price was so low) and no idea on what happened with Roy. After that, things were tight and I didn't see anything that made sense for the Blackhawks.

I hope they golf sometime around draft day. That is about it. They have holes but they are a pretty solid favorite in the West and it is the playoffs...anything can happen. I'm a Blackhawks fan and a fan of a first place team...sounds good to me.

 

[DewsSox79]

Fans can be little cheerleaders,sheep,and meatballs etc...That is fine. The team is in first in the west, I get that. But now teams below are starting to talent wise balance out by moves they made. So instead of keeping the seperation the same or expanding it, the gap got tighter. You have a window of opportunity to raise the cup multiple times, an opportunity that doesnt come all the time. Just because in the "standings" you are the best in the west, doesnt mean you should avoid the jugular and go all in. Bowman has managed the cap, that is all.

IMO there is more to why Bowman doesnt want to go get these guys. I believe as well that Bowman is loving the record not because of the team but the fact that if they go home early it will be very easy to fire Coach Q, something that I believe he really wants to do. So why help Q get the cup again. If you honestly believe all GMs and owners are in for the "championship" without any agendas you are one naive fan.

 

[nwfisch]

Fans can be little cheerleaders,sheep,and meatballs etc...That is fine. The team is in first in the west, I get that. But now teams below are starting to talent wise balance out by moves they made. So instead of keeping the seperation the same or expanding it, the gap got tighter. You have a window of opportunity to raise the cup multiple times, an opportunity that doesnt come all the time. Just because in the "standings" you are the best in the west, doesnt mean you should avoid the jugular and go all in. Bowman has managed the cap, that is all.

IMO there is more to why Bowman doesnt want to go get these guys. I believe as well that Bowman is loving the record not because of the team but the fact that if they go home early it will be very easy to fire Coach Q, something that I believe he really wants to do. So why help Q get the cup again. If you honestly believe all GMs and owners are in for the "championship" without any agendas you are one naive fan.

I would say managing the cap is important job of being a GM in the NHL :shrug: but fair enough, you do have valid points, though I disagree with about all of them.

 

[HawkWriter]

IMO there is more to why Bowman doesnt want to go get these guys. I believe as well that Bowman is loving the record not because of the team but the fact that if they go home early it will be very easy to fire Coach Q, something that I believe he really wants to do. So why help Q get the cup again. If you honestly believe all GMs and owners are in for the "championship" without any agendas you are one naive fan.

Wait...are you suggesting that in some way Bowman is trying to sabotage Q by not putting out a quality team or a better team? This is confusing. If the Blackhawks go home early this year, there is a good chance that Bowman, Q or both get fired. Both of their asses are on the line.

 

[DewsSox79]

Wait...are you suggesting that in some way Bowman is trying to sabotage Q by not putting out a quality team or a better team? This is confusing. If the Blackhawks go home early this year, there is a good chance that Bowman, Q or both get fired. Both of their asses are on the line.

I doubt bowmans ass is on the line. There has been plenty of talk that bowman wants his own guy. The obvious surface opinion would be both fired, but the rift is not in favor of Q and the rift has been known for quite sometime. bowman will get the benefit of the doubt in this case.

 

[ClydeLee]

Bowman wants to get his own coach... because? Winning is what extends your career on a job. That's what GMs want. You do that by wingding championships, not having your guys in place making all outcomes fall on you.

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[DewsSox79]

all you have to do is look at the kings last year. their moves closed in on the gap and they eventually won the cup.

 

[DewsSox79]

Bowman wants to get his own coach... because? Winning is what extends your career on a job. That's what GMs want. You do that by wingding championships, not having your guys in place making all outcomes fall on you.

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It is entirely true in both the business world non sports related and in the sports world. its a fact of life that this goes on. hockey is a sport that happens to be a business as well. if you believe that this cannot be even close to being true, by all means have at it.

 

[DMelt36]

Let's get caught up.

First off you have no idea how sharp and hossa will be.

You use this argument EVERY SINGLE TIME someone gets injured. Guys get hurt and come back at 100 percent frequently, ya know?

You have some bad depth on this team.

What? Where? On the 3rd forward line that is routinely the best trio on the ice for the Hawks? On the 3rd D pairing that has the best CORSI rating on the team (talking 8/32 here, Link ) ? On the 2nd D pairing that was playing so well it was drawing the opponent's top offensive pairing over the No. 1 D pairing that features a Norris winner?

besides the core the rest are pretty much ehhh with exception to the rising of saad. if you lose 1 member or the core, this team is not deep enough to win the stanley cup, add the fact that the goaltending numbers are good, dont fool yourself into thinking we have an elite tandem.

No it's not Roy and Dryden in net for the Hawks every night. But their combined save percentage of .923 is pretty damn good. And you don't need elite goalies to win the Cup anymore. See: Osgood, Chris; Fleury, Marc-Andre. You just need goalies to be clutch. Do I blame you if you still have doubts about Crawford in May? Not at all. I do too. But his play this season has helped calm those nerves.

not adding a 2c is really bad, and it was a pressing need.

Moving Sharp to this position gives the Hawks a better 2C than any team acquired at the deadline. I think this is more of a knock on Q than on Bowman, personally.

If some of you want to stick up for Bowman, that is ok with me but his track record doesnt lie. Some would say if hossa didnt get knocked out vs phx that we could have won that series (even though mike smith was hot) but fail to realize that if we added depth last year we may have been able to get passed them or had a better chance.

Fair points. The past is nothing but what-ifs, though.

Bowmans track record doesnt lie folks. what has this team done since he has taken over? what players did he actually obtain that are contributing factors? frolik? finally ok on pk. montador? carcillo? brunette? mayers? morrison? Oduya? shall I go on? or is it ok that his only decent piece is our backup goalie (and he is doing well just this year)

You're ignoring Roszival, who is quietly having a damn good season on the Hawks 3rd D pairing. The third line is composed two guys acquired by Bowman: one via trade (Stalberg), one via draft (Shaw). A pick from last year's draft is skating on the top fucking line and may very well have inserted himself into the Calder Trophy discussion. A second-rounder, too. Any other 2nd rounders from 2011 skating top-line minutes this year?

You have inherited: toews,kane,hossa,sharp,seabrook,Keith,crawford, Bolland, ETC ETC what has he complimented these players with? pure trash. Evaluate his time here and dont make excuses for him.

See above.

I know you're a skeptic, Dews, but you have to realize that going on such a tirade against a GM whose team is currently the number one team in the league is a bit weird, don't you? I know the bar the Hawks have set for themselves isn't balanced on regular season victories. This ain't Vancouver, after all. You can point to his postseason failures and have a valid argument. But you can also point to his team's success in this regular season and say that he's set this team up well for postseason success. Now it's up to the players to earn that success.

http://committedindians.com/stan-bowman-history-as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/

I forgot about kim johnsson, pisani etc. but he did trade for Leddy! woot!

That blog and the guy who runs it are a total joke. Not even worth the click.

and no offense Mr HawkPoser, I actually met Stan at Navy Pier a few years ago.

the guy is an arrogant asshole. and his refusal to deal his precious prospects for proven help shows it.

keep sucking his nuts because of his drafting. when they're golfing early again, the excuses will be flying out.

But I'm sure if he was a real nice guy then every one of his moves would be gold, right? Patrick Kane is a rich frat boy and I'd probably hate him if I met him in a bar. Who gives a ****? Grasping at straws here.

 

[DewsSox79]

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-s...nneville-and-stan-bowman-coach-q-to-montreal/

I guess maybe now they hugged it out.

 

[DewsSox79]

Let's get caught up.



You use this argument EVERY SINGLE TIME someone gets injured. Guys get hurt and come back at 100 percent frequently, ya know?

What? Where? On the 3rd forward line that is routinely the best trio on the ice for the Hawks? On the 3rd D pairing that has the best CORSI rating on the team (talking 8/32 here, Link ) ? On the 2nd D pairing that was playing so well it was drawing the opponent's top offensive pairing over the No. 1 D pairing that features a Norris winner?

No it's not Roy and Dryden in net for the Hawks every night. But their combined save percentage of .923 is pretty damn good. And you don't need elite goalies to win the Cup anymore. See: Osgood, Chris; Fleury, Marc-Andre. You just need goalies to be clutch. Do I blame you if you still have doubts about Crawford in May? Not at all. I do too. But his play this season has helped calm those nerves.

Moving Sharp to this position gives the Hawks a better 2C than any team acquired at the deadline. I think this is more of a knock on Q than on Bowman, personally.


Fair points. The past is nothing but what-ifs, though.

You're ignoring Roszival, who is quietly having a damn good season on the Hawks 3rd D pairing. The third line is composed two guys acquired by Bowman: one via trade (Stalberg), one via draft (Shaw). A pick from last year's draft is skating on the top fucking line and may very well have inserted himself into the Calder Trophy discussion. A second-rounder, too. Any other 2nd rounders from 2011 skating top-line minutes this year?



See above.

I know you're a skeptic, Dews, but you have to realize that going on such a tirade against a GM whose team is currently the number one team in the league is a bit weird, don't you? I know the bar the Hawks have set for themselves isn't balanced on regular season victories. This ain't Vancouver, after all. You can point to his postseason failures and have a valid argument. But you can also point to his team's success in this regular season and say that he's set this team up well for postseason success. Now it's up to the players to earn that success.



That blog and the guy who runs it are a total joke. Not even worth the click.



But I'm sure if he was a real nice guy then every one of his moves would be gold, right? Patrick Kane is a rich frat boy and I'd probably hate him if I met him in a bar. Who gives a ****? Grasping at straws here.

What you arent seeing is the balance of talent coming closer together from teams VS the hawks instead of staying the same like it was when they were on their streak. hell they could have expanded it. They arent as good as their record indicates...im sure we all know that. How many OT wins? how many 1 goal wins? Its not like they were running away with games. So you have last years kings make moves, and they closed the gap and eventually won the cup. Thats where im going with all of this.

Also you dont have to like that site, all it is, is bowmans full transaction history.

 

[DMelt36]

What you arent seeing is the balance of talent coming closer together from teams VS the hawks instead of staying the same like it was when they were on their streak. hell they could have expanded it. They arent as good as their record indicates...im sure we all know that. How many OT wins? how many 1 goal wins? Its not like they were running away with games. So you have last years kings make moves, and they closed the gap and eventually won the cup. Thats where im going with all of this.

Also you dont have to like that site, all it is, is bowmans full transaction history.

That sentence just doesn't make sense to me. Here's some math: The average score of games this year has the Blackhawks ahead by 1.23 goals. In the Cup year that number was 0.76. So the Blackhawks are almost one half a goal ahead of the Cup team in that statistic.

Is Pittsburgh not as good because they won 15 games in a row or something? It's not like teams are scoring the goals on themselves (Detroit notwithstanding). The Hawks earned every one of those points. Every single one. **** "luck".

As for the "talent gap" that you've been talking about, this happens every year. Teams make moves to close the gap on the lead dog. The only team ahead of the Hawks, talent wise, might be Pittsburgh. And I'm still skeptical of their defense. They still have to play the games out on the ice, too. Talent only goes so far, as we saw in the last postseason.

I think you're also being too near-sighted in a sport that doesn't allow for it, thanks to a salary cap that's dropping next year. About the only player that the Hawks could've added was Iginla, and he indicated that Pittsburgh was where he wanted to be. Somehow, I'm sure that'll be Bowman's fault too.

 

[DewsSox79]

wow.

 

[DewsSox79]

its open again lol

 

[nwfisch]

:jackson:

 

[DewsSox79]

i didnt think it would be such a bad thing to continue discussion in new thread. i know its hard and stuff

 

[DewsSox79]

hoping for the late rush of activity