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KG long past his prime is still better overall than Boozer even a little passed his prime.
It's better financially AND better on the court.
KG long past his prime is still better overall than Boozer even a little passed his prime.
It's better financially AND better on the court.
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And KG is worse than Boozer now. This just doesn't make us better other than getting $20mill off the payroll, which means you lose Brewer & Korver too. You do this trade, kiss any chance of a championship goodbye.
If you don't want Boozer, you amnesty him next season. It's really that simple & you lose no other talent. There is absolutely no point in breaking up this team to get a rental player, who's waaaaaaay past his prime & who's also been injured every year the past 3 seasons, in the hope of shedding payroll to get a SG.
Christ, this kind of talk is reserved for teams like the Knicks, who have championship aspirations that are falling woefully short. We are the best team in the league. No reason to trade anyone at this point.
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I don't see Boston trading Pierce, the face of their franchise. Nor do I see the Bulls trading Deng away. :shrug:
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My trade only had Korver in it. Brewer would be a dealbreaker for me. Even if Brewer would go in a trade, it frees up money, and I would expect a pick in return.
I don't want Boozer or Noah's salaries handicapping the Bulls in resigning Taj and Omer. I also don't want the Bulls handcuffed with Boozer and Noah, with no way out.
I agree that a trade doesn't need to be done, but I think it's a good option for the Bulls for this season, and going forward.
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This is completely wrong. KG is a better offensive player and a better defensive player than Boozer. Boozer is a much better rebounder but this team will still be the best rebounding team. You lose Korver in this at worst (not even Brewer) and Rip Hamilton is basically a better version of Korver anyway. This doesn't hurt the championship odds, it HELPS the odds!
Amnestying Boozer and not getting anything back for him would be idiotic if you can get KG back for him who will probably come as cheap as $5M over the next couple of years to re-sign him. Once they cut Boozer, that's it. They would not be able to sign any other decent free agents anyway since they would still be at or over the cap.
The Bulls are not even the best team in the East. What exactly did they do to beat the Heat in the off-season- gain Hamilton and lose 2 of their toughest players in Thomas and Bogans. The Bulls are better offensively than last year but the Heat are still a MUCH better offensive team than the Bulls. And they added Shane Battier and Norris Cole.
Heat > Bulls. Boozer is a BIG reason for that.
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Like I said, it would be something to consider if Deng is a no-go for the rest of the season and playoffs. Pierce brings all of the offense Deng brings and then some, and also brings much of the defense and rebounding Deng has. I am not sure I would do the trade even if he has season-ending surgery but it should at least be thought over if Danny Ainge made a Pierce-for-Deng offer.
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Some of you seriously blow my mind. Just because Boozer gets hot hitting JUMP-SHOTS for a few games, all of the sudden everything is A-OK.
KG right now > Boozer at essentially everything except rebounding and his contract is about to expire. And you don't want him because he's old?
OLD TEAMS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.
See the past 5 seasons: 2011 Mavs, 2010 Lakers, 2009 Lakers, 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, 2006 Heat.
KG right now > Boozer at essentially everything except rebounding and his contract is about to expire. And you don't want him because he's old?
OLD TEAMS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.
See the past 5 seasons: 2011 Mavs, 2010 Lakers, 2009 Lakers, 2008 Celtics, 2007 Spurs, 2006 Heat.
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I dont trade Deng for Pierce. Like I said before there are cheaper options getting the same type of offensive production and defense as Brewer. and if you have a Brewer type on the floor for 48 mins thats fine with me.
Plus, nwfisch is exactly right. I think Allen and KG are tradeable, but Pierce will be a Celtic for life.
I never said I wouldnt take my chances with the Bulls right now, but Id feel more comfortable making an upgrade somewhere and getting Boozer off the books. Korver is very, very replaceable and not at $5 mil/year.
And you have to remember if you amensty Boozer you are still going to owe a ton of money. Probably at like $6-9 million which Jerry wont be happy about at it
Plus, nwfisch is exactly right. I think Allen and KG are tradeable, but Pierce will be a Celtic for life.
I never said I wouldnt take my chances with the Bulls right now, but Id feel more comfortable making an upgrade somewhere and getting Boozer off the books. Korver is very, very replaceable and not at $5 mil/year.
And you have to remember if you amensty Boozer you are still going to owe a ton of money. Probably at like $6-9 million which Jerry wont be happy about at it
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I dont think KG is better than Boozer. I think he just offers different things. The big thing is a low post/back to the basket presence and DEFENSE. Boozer gets picked on EVERY SINGLE GAME and in the playoffs its even more evident.
Boozer and KG are similar jump shooters and you lose a rebound or two, but whos to say Boozer is getting key rebounds? I feel like he steals Noah's rebounds from time to time and picks up a lot of fouls in the process both on the offensive and defensive end
Boozer and KG are similar jump shooters and you lose a rebound or two, but whos to say Boozer is getting key rebounds? I feel like he steals Noah's rebounds from time to time and picks up a lot of fouls in the process both on the offensive and defensive end
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Well, Danny Ainge has already made it very public that he is willing to trade any of the original Big 3 if it means being competitive long-term.
I would feel very uneasy about trading Deng for Pierce because of how it hurts the team long, long-term. But it is undeniable that trade would help the Bulls (purely) this season if Deng had to basically sit out until the 2013 season.
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KG really is > Boozer, unless you value rebounding VERY highly. Boozer is a better back-to-the-basket scorer but when was the last time you saw Boozer back somebody down more than once in a game? It doesn't happen often. KG gets into low-post position a lot more often than Boozer does and doesn't go up with those soft dribble-lay-up moves. Boozer gets BLOCKED a LOT more than KG does, too.
KG has a much purer shooting stroke than Boozer and gets his shot off over anybody because of the height of his release. He's a better facilitator than Boozer, too.
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deng for pierce WTF?
pierce has been horribly inefficient this year..he's breaking down...he's way older and not as good a defender or rebounder as luol
pierce has been horribly inefficient this year..he's breaking down...he's way older and not as good a defender or rebounder as luol
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If Deng was in Pierce's 1st option scoring role, he wouldn't be much more efficient and not nearly as productive offensively. Defensively and rebounding-wise, it would definitely hurt a lot long-term to lose Luol.
16-5-5 on 41% three-point shooting is not too bad.
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i do think KG>Boozer this year..by much? no
boozer is better offensively right now..he's more efficient and is able to do more work in the post and spread it about it(KGs is better at the jump shooting...but he's not nearly the diverse offensive player he used.)
defensively..KG...he's always been an anchor for the celtics D...
the issues i see is that KG has a larger contract...not really solving anything there
i think there were also some points made about chemistry...how would garnett fit on this team...not to mention he's old as shit...how many years realistically does he have left..i know we like to think boozer's old because he plays old but he's actually only 30
i wouldnt do the trade
boozer is better offensively right now..he's more efficient and is able to do more work in the post and spread it about it(KGs is better at the jump shooting...but he's not nearly the diverse offensive player he used.)
defensively..KG...he's always been an anchor for the celtics D...
the issues i see is that KG has a larger contract...not really solving anything there
i think there were also some points made about chemistry...how would garnett fit on this team...not to mention he's old as shit...how many years realistically does he have left..i know we like to think boozer's old because he plays old but he's actually only 30
i wouldnt do the trade
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KG won't demand very much money next season in free-agency. Boozer is about to get paid megabucks for about 4 more years.
Boozer is not better than K.G. offensively. Often enough, he is a liability. KG makes smarter basketball plays. And he has already played in a Thibodeau system. He would adapt in no time.
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except pierce does not play as a dominate 1st option..he is the 1st option but he has guys like garnett,allen,and rondo who can easily take the load off
he wouldnt be much more efficient? than 41%? thats not that hard to be more efficient than
pierce hasnt been that much more productive than deng..and deng plays behind rose as well as boozer(offensively he and deng switch off as the 2nd option imo)
duh...thats alot of my point
no one said it was
pierce's assist numbers will dip
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The Bulls would also shed Korver's useless contract in that trade.
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but this is irrelevant because you're discussing trading himya he is
at times,yes...but he's been more efficient offensively than KG and having better numbers this year
ok cool...boozer>KG offensively
i think you kinda missed my point
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I guarantee you that Pierce's 2 pt FG% would be way over 42% (where it is now) if he was on the Bulls behind Rose as a second option. This season, Pierce still has times when he is called upon to take over the game and he is not very good at that anymore. But he is a better ball-handler, shooter, and passer than Deng.
It's not like I hate Luol Deng. I don't even know if that trade is worth doing unless the Celtics gave up a lot more considerations like future draft picks. But, if it's true that Deng is out for the year (remains seemingly possible), I might do a deal because the Bulls would have ZERO chance this year without a top 10 SF.
It's not like I hate Luol Deng. I don't even know if that trade is worth doing unless the Celtics gave up a lot more considerations like future draft picks. But, if it's true that Deng is out for the year (remains seemingly possible), I might do a deal because the Bulls would have ZERO chance this year without a top 10 SF.
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he would average less numbers wise
deng's better at the rim...longer...better defensively...younger...
the biggest thing is long term...you dont trade away deng for pierce who will be on this team for a much shorter time than deng would in the same situation
the celtics wouldnt do the trade...especially since deng is hurt(ya i know long term impact..yada...yada) but they wouldnt do it...