Bosh offer

[JimmyBulls]

With the talent teams will have to give up, Chris Bosh is going to have to make the team a contender. I don't think a team's record in the past hold any weight at all. But I could see Bosh shying away from playing out west.

 

[Ralphb07]

J-Mart wrote:

JimmyBulls wrote:

Ralphb07 wrote:

JimmyBulls wrote:

I think they'll get two young players with breakout potential, salary relief or a productive veteran, and picks.

Which players?

I don't think anyone could guess, but the Warriors seems to be a pretty close match.

Keep in mind Bosh wants to go to a contender. He is not going to want to go to the Warriors IMO. When talking about other teams you have to look at playoff teams or teams very close. Yeah technically he can go anywhere, but not team is going to trade for him unless he is locked into another contract with them. No one wants to give up talent for a one year rental of Bosh

Bradan Wright and Randolph..... Are those the players you're talking about with the Warriors???? Both those guys are soft with no defense and haven't proven anything yet and from the 1 and 2 season each have played sure in the hell didn't leap frog Tyrus in potential

What was GS record this year and they hardly could crack the lineup while Tyrus was a 22yr old PF that had a good season on a playoff team.....

Also again what people fail to realize..... Bosh has to accept a trade which why would he leave Toronto for GS? He's better off staying in Toronto. That is the biggest key to everything.... It has to be a place Bosh wants to go

 

[Ralphb07]

JimmyBulls wrote:

With the talent teams will have to give up, Chris Bosh is going to have to make the team a contender. I don't think a team's record in the past hold any weight at all. But I could see Bosh shying away from playing out west.

Why leave Toronto then and why couldn't he make Toronto a contender??? If he was willing to go to GS, Memphis, Clippers, Wolves, OKC teams like that he would just stay in Toronto

 

[Rose1]

Randolph has shown more upside and potential than Tyrus and Wright. Randolph has shown flashes in the Bay. He can handle, jump, shoot, and compete. I'll take him over either guys. Wright doesn't have the drive to be at least good. He should of stayed in school.

 

[Ralphb07]

Let's break some teams down here. Bosh will want to go to a big market which takes out
Milwaukee,Indiana,Washington,Charlotte,New Jersey of the non playoffs teams and leaves only NY

What does NY really have to offer talent wise

Now let's look at the playoffs teams

Cleveland and Boston he would 100% go to but they have nothing to offer Toronto

Orlando he will go to but what do they really have to offer? No young players and there's no way Toronto touches Lewis and his contract and they have Howard already

Atlanta I really don't see him going there but they have Horford and Williams which are good players

Miami- I could see him going there and they have Beasley but what else do they have and it's not like Beasley raised his value. IMO his value was higher before he even stepped on the court than it is now

Philly- He could go there and they have Thad Young

Detroit- He would go there but who do they have to offer? Prince and who?

Then you add Chicago, so as you see our offer isn't that bad when you actually break it down

 

[Ralphb07]

Rose1 wrote:

Randolph has shown more upside and potential than Tyrus and Wright. Randolph has shown flashes in the Bay. He can handle, jump, shoot, and compete. I'll take him over either guys. Wright doesn't have the drive to be at least good. He should of stayed in school.

Tyrus showed flashes as well and did he rookie year. Tyrus showed flashes in the playoffs his rookie year in the limited minutes he played

He also showed flashes when we actually played him in his 2nd year towards the end

What happens with young guys is when you don't see them as much or there aren't on your team you don't dissect them and see there weaknesses like you do with players on your team

 

[Rose1]

Randolph is a better prospect. He's longer. He can block shots similar to Tyrus. He's a better perimeter player. I can go on and on. Tyrus Thomas was no where near Randolph coming out of LSU and still isn't. He has found his niche in the league, whereas Randolph hasn't yet. He's playing on a team that has bad intangibles. I would take him over Tyrus any day.

 

[Rose1]

At #16 B.J. Mullens, developmental center who can eventually become a starter in 2-3 years period when Miller contract is up, while Noah can keep his PF/C swing role. And at #26 SG Wayne Ellington, he's sharpshooter who has better size, plays a bit better defense and is better team player then Ben Gordon who probably won't be resigned since he has outrageous new contract demands.

 

[Ralphb07]

Rose1 wrote:

Randolph is a better prospect. He's longer. He can block shots similar to Tyrus. He's a better perimeter player. I can go on and on. Tyrus Thomas was no where near Randolph coming out of LSU and still isn't. He has found his niche in the league, whereas Randolph hasn't yet. He's playing on a team that has bad intangibles. I would take him over Tyrus any day.

Randolph hasn't shown anything more this year than Tyrus did his 1st year which is why people were so high on Tyrus in year 2.

I'm not even going to get into this conversation because Bosh would 100% not sign off on GS so it's a real pointless conversation

 

[Dpauley23]

Ralphb07 wrote:

Let's break some teams down here. Bosh will want to go to a big market which takes out
Milwaukee,Indiana,Washington,Charlotte,New Jersey of the non playoffs teams and leaves only NY

What does NY really have to offer talent wise

Now let's look at the playoffs teams

Cleveland and Boston he would 100% go to but they have nothing to offer Toronto

Orlando he will go to but what do they really have to offer? No young players and there's no way Toronto touches Lewis and his contract and they have Howard already

Atlanta I really don't see him going there but they have Horford and Williams which are good players

Miami- I could see him going there and they have Beasley but what else do they have and it's not like Beasley raised his value. IMO his value was higher before he even stepped on the court than it is now

Philly- He could go there and they have Thad Young

Detroit- He would go there but who do they have to offer? Prince and who?

Then you add Chicago, so as you see our offer isn't that bad when you actually break it down

You basically forgot about the West too. I don't get why people are throwing out Tyrus when Raptors whould rather have Noah. Noah and Bargaini is solid pairing and Tyrus just hurt his value in playoffs. I don't think Bosh will go till deadline since how well they played down the stretch. That whys David West could be huge option

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ralphb07 wrote:

Let's break some teams down here. Bosh will want to go to a big market which takes out
Milwaukee,Indiana,Washington,Charlotte,New Jersey of the non playoffs teams and leaves only NY

What does NY really have to offer talent wise

Now let's look at the playoffs teams

Cleveland and Boston he would 100% go to but they have nothing to offer Toronto

Orlando he will go to but what do they really have to offer? No young players and there's no way Toronto touches Lewis and his contract and they have Howard already

Atlanta I really don't see him going there but they have Horford and Williams which are good players

Miami- I could see him going there and they have Beasley but what else do they have and it's not like Beasley raised his value. IMO his value was higher before he even stepped on the court than it is now

Philly- He could go there and they have Thad Young

Detroit- He would go there but who do they have to offer? Prince and who?

Then you add Chicago, so as you see our offer isn't that bad when you actually break it down

You basically forgot about the West too. I don't get why people are throwing out Tyrus when Raptors whould rather have Noah. Noah and Bargaini is solid pairing and Tyrus just hurt his value in playoffs. I don't think Bosh will go till deadline since how well they played down the stretch. That whys David West could be huge option

I didn't feel like breaking the west down :laugh:

I thought the same as you that it would happen at deadline but after hearing the Bucher report and how another reliable reporter said the same thing about the take it or leave it offer makes you have to change your thinking a bit.

 

[Dpauley23]

Wait what report?? Where the hell have I been

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Wait what report?? Where the hell have I been

It's from the Toronto board on RealGM:

Hey guys,

ESPN NBA analyst Ric Bucher was interviewed today on The Bill Watters Show on AM640.

Here is what he had to say regarding Chris Bosh's future in Toronto.

NBA sources have told Ric Bucher that:

- The Toronto Raptors have either made or will make Chris Bosh a presumptuous contract offer this summer. It is basically a take it or leave it contract proposal. If Chris Bosh rejects the Raptors long-term contract extension offer (99% chance of occurring) this summer, he will definitely get traded this summer.

- The Raptors are not convinced that Chris Bosh wants to be in Toronto for the long-term.

- It seems as though, Chris Bosh is envious and jealous of the playoff success that has been achieved by some of his fellow Team USA teammates such as Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, and LeBron James.

- Unnamed NBA GM's think that Chris Bosh isn't a franchise player since players such as LeBron james and Dwyane Wade wouldn't allow their respective teams to lose as many games that the Raptors did during the 2008-09 NBA season, even if they were not playing 100% healthy.

 

[Ralphb07]

bucher and wojnarowski have said the same thing now. that's about as official as it gets as far as rumours go.

The guy I put bold I have no idea who he is but they seem to find him very reliable

 

[Dpauley23]

He's Chicago writer who made it to Espn. Did Buchler say who's in the running. Thats pretty crazy though.

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

He's Chicago writer who made it to Espn. Did Buchler say who's in the running. Thats pretty crazy though.

It didn't say on there board. Besides the Kobe thing which Kobe was feeding Bucher a lot of stuff he's pretty reliable...

The other reporter seems to be reliable as well

Which kinda makes sense.

Chad Ford also said at the deadline that Chicago was Bosh first choice so you put all these together and it makes sense that Toronto feels they can re sign him and why they would make him a offer which if he rejects makes it pretty obvious he doesn't wanna stay

 

[Manic Devourer]

Well no sh*t he isn't the in the calibre of Wade or Lebron, but then again, didn't Wade's team not make it to the play offs last year? But anyway...

Luckily, we don't need for Bosh to be a Wade or LeBron in Chicago, he just has to be who is he, and allow for Rose to develop and we could have something special here.

One thing I fear is that he is from Texas, and could possibly want to go out West, possibly to the Mavericks if Cuban decides to get in on the action.

It's a very interesting summer ahead, and I'm very much looking forward to it. So many season, we've been itching to get a big free agent signing, or trade, and we've all been left disappointed, with the exception of Ben Wallace, but lets all pretend that never happened.

I can feel this off season could be it. Rose is a budding star, but he is a reluctant star that doesn't want to be in the spot-light, that bodes well for players that want to be the man without the responsibilities which there are many of in this league. Amar'e wants to be the star, good match. Bosh is a star, but will never be a great 1A type of player, fine we have Rose.

This is the year, I would HATE for Paxson or Gar or whoever the f*ck to be satisfied about the season that just past for us, and to be satisfied to stay pat. I'd prefer if we blew everything up, and start from scratch by building around Rose, then to just continue on our merry way with the players we have.

 

[Dpauley23]

Seems like that Warriors offer is good as hell

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Seems like that Warriors offer is good as hell

Bosh isn't going to go there. they're worse to Toronto

If I had to guess of the teams Bosh will have on his list is Detroit, Chiago, Miami, Houston, Dallas as teams realistically would be making a offer for him.

IMO and it's not because I'm a Bulls fan I do see us as his 1st choice. We have a young star in Rose which wants to get the ball to his scorers which is huge. Bosh knows him and Rose could be a very special 1-2 punch

I think we have enough talent to get him. We got the young big and NBA ready guys like Salmons and Kirk even the young bigs we have are NBA ready. We can save them some money with James and take a bad contract like Kapono off there hands.

Salmons and Tyrus could get it with James and the picks/ other pieces

 

[Manic Devourer]

You know, a little off topic. But I really dislike how players, more-so the star players have so much leverage in whether they want to stay or go, and hand-cuffing franchises because of this. I mean for a franchise like Toronto, more than any other team, it would really cripple them if they lost their best player, and the face of their franchise for anything less than a star player in return. Though they have a strong fan base, the Raptors are still like the cousin by marriage more so than by blood to the rest of the league.

I guess I just miss the days when players had a sense of loyality to the team that drafted them, and the times when they jumped ship it made massive news because it wasn't as common when it happened. But hey, that's just me..