Bosh offer

[Ralphb07]

It bogus the rumor on RealGM. The RealGM poster is not bogus he just wrote what he read, the guy on the other forum is

He wrote the topic at 1:15 am and just put up the offer and nothing else....... Came back on page 2 12 hours later with how he got the info

 

[??? ??????]

That Gordon and Thomas for Bosh trade will make the Bulls a worst team imo.

You have two franchise cornerstones in Rose and Gordon. You need a trinagular building to win in the NBA, so the goal would be to get Bosh without giving up one of those two guys.

Pushing a sign and trade with Gordon is stupid from the Bulls. You re-sign him and then say Rose is off limits, and Gordon is off limits because he just signed a new contract and cannot be traded.

If Miami wants to offer Beasley and we're trying to match that, don't even try. Although Miami isn't offering Beasley, because they can just keep Beasley and sign Bosh next summer with their oodles and oodles of cap-space.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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That Gordon and Thomas for Bosh trade will make the Bulls a worst team imo.

You have two franchise cornerstones in Rose and Gordon. You need a trinagular building to win in the NBA, so the goal would be to get Bosh without giving up one of those two guys.

Pushing a sign and trade with Gordon is stupid from the Bulls. You re-sign him and then say Rose is off limits, and Gordon is off limits because he just signed a new contract and cannot be traded.

If Miami wants to offer Beasley and we're trying to match that, don't even try. Although Miami isn't offering Beasley, because they can just keep Beasley and sign Bosh next summer with their oodles and oodles of cap-space.

Has the Gordon madness honestly reached this point?

Gordon is not an off-limits type of player when you get an all-star, olympics level calibre big man in return.

When you're team has a great point guard, you need a good big man more than you need a great shooting guard. I understand that losing Gordon would be a lose, but not giving up Gordon to obtain Bosh would be even a greater loss.

 

[Dpauley23]

I think that you could definetely trade Gordon to acquire Bosh. Salmons is very capable 2 guard and I think you could definetely win championship with that as your core

 

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Manic Devourer wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

That Gordon and Thomas for Bosh trade will make the Bulls a worst team imo.

You have two franchise cornerstones in Rose and Gordon. You need a trinagular building to win in the NBA, so the goal would be to get Bosh without giving up one of those two guys.

Pushing a sign and trade with Gordon is stupid from the Bulls. You re-sign him and then say Rose is off limits, and Gordon is off limits because he just signed a new contract and cannot be traded.

If Miami wants to offer Beasley and we're trying to match that, don't even try. Although Miami isn't offering Beasley, because they can just keep Beasley and sign Bosh next summer with their oodles and oodles of cap-space.

Has the Gordon madness honestly reached this point?

Gordon is not an off-limits type of player when you get an all-star, olympics level calibre big man in return.

When you're team has a great point guard, you need a good big man more than you need a great shooting guard. I understand that losing Gordon would be a lose, but not giving up Gordon to obtain Bosh would be even a greater loss.

I think if push comes to shove, you trade Gordon for Bosh, as Bosh is a big and Gordon's a small. But given Toronto is nearly certain to lose the guy, I wouldn't be making an aggressive offer that includes our best player. Especially if we can get a guy like Amare Stoudemire, who I think is better than Bosh, in a trade that doesn't include Gordon.

 

[Dpauley23]

Except Amare probably on his last years on those legs

 

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Dpauley23 wrote:

Except Amare probably on his last years on those legs

There is nothing to say that.

Amare Stoudemire is only 26 years old. He has had three straight 20+ PPG 60+ TS% seasons, leading the league in TS% in 07-08. The last three seasons, he has played 82, 79, and 53 games, with this year, missing the 29 games because of a freak eye injury.

I'm not really worried about Amare's legs at all. The guy just had one season where he missed a lot of games because of a leg injury.

With Amare, you're getting a 20+ PPG 60+ TS% season (has done this in all four of his last healthy seasons, so discounting the 3 game season). Amare's a natural fit next to Noah, gives us that lowpost scoring which should help out Rose/Gordon (and Gordon in particular should help Amare by spacing the floor).

I wouldn't mind Chris Bosh either, but I'd take Amare over him, and I think the price will be more right for Stoudemire than Bosh.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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Manic Devourer wrote:

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That Gordon and Thomas for Bosh trade will make the Bulls a worst team imo.

You have two franchise cornerstones in Rose and Gordon. You need a trinagular building to win in the NBA, so the goal would be to get Bosh without giving up one of those two guys.

Pushing a sign and trade with Gordon is stupid from the Bulls. You re-sign him and then say Rose is off limits, and Gordon is off limits because he just signed a new contract and cannot be traded.

If Miami wants to offer Beasley and we're trying to match that, don't even try. Although Miami isn't offering Beasley, because they can just keep Beasley and sign Bosh next summer with their oodles and oodles of cap-space.

Has the Gordon madness honestly reached this point?

Gordon is not an off-limits type of player when you get an all-star, olympics level calibre big man in return.

When you're team has a great point guard, you need a good big man more than you need a great shooting guard. I understand that losing Gordon would be a lose, but not giving up Gordon to obtain Bosh would be even a greater loss.

I think if push comes to shove, you trade Gordon for Bosh, as Bosh is a big and Gordon's a small. But given Toronto is nearly certain to lose the guy, I wouldn't be making an aggressive offer that includes our best player. Especially if we can get a guy like Amare Stoudemire, who I think is better than Bosh, in a trade that doesn't include Gordon.

I understand that your opinions are skew because of your love for Gordon is great, but when you have the opportunity to get a all-star big man, you do it. We were worried about losing 20 points that Gordon gives, well we get a 20 point scorer in return.

We've experienced in the past, that being heisitant to give up certain players for all-stars because we over-valued them, only leads to deals not getting done and facing regrets. I can only hope it doesn't happen again.

As we are right now, there is more possibility that Gordon will walk anyhow, considering that it will take many other moves for a Gordon re-sign probable. Yet, with the sign and trade of Gordon to obtain Bosh, we can have 2 teams that can be satisifed in one move.

I'll take the risk of losing the ever so great Gordon, for the all-star in Bosh, as opposed to the risk of losing Gordon and getting nothing in return.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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Dpauley23 wrote:

Except Amare probably on his last years on those legs

There is nothing to say that.

Amare Stoudemire is only 26 years old. He has had three straight 20+ PPG 60+ TS% seasons, leading the league in TS% in 07-08. The last three seasons, he has played 82, 79, and 53 games, with this year, missing the 29 games because of a freak eye injury.

I'm not really worried about Amare's legs at all. The guy just had one season where he missed a lot of games because of a leg injury.

With Amare, you're getting a 20+ PPG 60+ TS% season (has done this in all four of his last healthy seasons, so discounting the 3 game season). Amare's a natural fit next to Noah, gives us that lowpost scoring which should help out Rose/Gordon (and Gordon in particular should help Amare by spacing the floor).

I wouldn't mind Chris Bosh either, but I'd take Amare over him, and I think the price will be more right for Stoudemire than Bosh.

Yep, we're really in a position to be picky about which all-star power forward we would prefer on our team. C'mon now, what on earth are you talking about? You're basically saying that you'd prefer milk chocolate over dark chocolate. If you need a chocolate fix, which the Bulls has been in need for, for the past decade, you take which ever chocolate that is available.

We hesitate, try to prance around with the Raptors management by proposing to them a idiotic trade offer, some other team will eventually come up with a better offer and it could result in a high chance of not having Bosh or Gordon on the team next season.

 

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Manic Devourer wrote:

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Dpauley23 wrote:

Except Amare probably on his last years on those legs

There is nothing to say that.

Amare Stoudemire is only 26 years old. He has had three straight 20+ PPG 60+ TS% seasons, leading the league in TS% in 07-08. The last three seasons, he has played 82, 79, and 53 games, with this year, missing the 29 games because of a freak eye injury.

I'm not really worried about Amare's legs at all. The guy just had one season where he missed a lot of games because of a leg injury.

With Amare, you're getting a 20+ PPG 60+ TS% season (has done this in all four of his last healthy seasons, so discounting the 3 game season). Amare's a natural fit next to Noah, gives us that lowpost scoring which should help out Rose/Gordon (and Gordon in particular should help Amare by spacing the floor).

I wouldn't mind Chris Bosh either, but I'd take Amare over him, and I think the price will be more right for Stoudemire than Bosh.

Yep, we're really in a position to be picky about which all-star power forward we would prefer on our team. C'mon now, what on earth are you talking about? You're basically saying that you'd prefer milk chocolate over dark chocolate. If you need a chocolate fix, which the Bulls has been in need for, for the past decade, you take which ever chocolate that is available.

We hesitate, try to prance around with the Raptors management by proposing to them a idiotic trade offer, some other team will eventually come up with a better offer and it could result in a high chance of not having Bosh or Gordon on the team next season.

What I'm saying is I'd rather have Hamburger, fries, and a milkshake, rather than just the hamburger and fries. And if the Bulls end up with just a hamburger, they have no one to blame, but themselves, because they should at the very least be able to have a hamburger and fries.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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What I'm saying is I'd rather have Hamburger, fries, and a milkshake, rather than just the hamburger and fries. And if the Bulls end up with just a hamburger, they have no one to blame, but themselves, because they should at the very least be able to have a hamburger and fries.

Yeah, and the rate that you're going we'd end up with an empty plate.

You have a chance to get a player of Bosh's calibre on the team without trading your best player, you get it done. And I'm definitely not seeing any trades suggested by people that are offering up Rose at this point in time.

 

[houheffna]

Personally, I would rather have Amare than Bosh, but I could be thinking about the Amare that smashed Duncan in the playoffs before his injury, I think he is a good player with some toughness, sometimes I think Bosh is a bit soft. I think Noah would make himself compatible with either person if he really wants to stay here. But my choices would be 1. Amare 2. West 3. Bosh and I would be very happy to get either of those 3.

 

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houheffna wrote:

Personally, I would rather have Amare than Bosh, but I could be thinking about the Amare that smashed Duncan in the playoffs before his injury, I think he is a good player with some toughness, sometimes I think Bosh is a bit soft. I think Noah would make himself compatible with either person if he really wants to stay here. But my choices would be 1. Amare 2. West 3. Bosh and I would be very happy to get either of those 3.

Amare smashed everyone. Over the last 5 years, he is averaging 23.2 PPG on 63.1 TS%, 9.0 RPG, 1.6 BPG.

He is definitely the guy I want...of course, I wouldn't be disappointed with Bosh either...or West, and probably not Boozer either.

 

[Dpauley23]

Why don't you go live at average NBA career of guy who has microfracture surgery. Theres some many negatives on Amare I just don't get why anyone would want him over Bosh

 

[clonetrooper264]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Why don't you go live at average NBA career of guy who has microfracture surgery. Theres some many negatives on Amare I just don't get why anyone would want him over Bosh

Personally, I don't think anyone should be choosing one over the other. If I had to pick one, I would say Bosh because he hasn't had microfracture surgery (though props to Amare for coming back from that and still being dominant) and maybe he cares a little bit more on defense. But really, if we got Amare instead of Bosh will anyone be complaining? All the same if we got Bosh instead of Amare would anyone complain? Probably not. They're both equally hard to get and would each have a definite impact on the success of this team. These are two All-Star power forwards we're talking about here. No one is going to complain if we get one instead of the other unless the one we get destroys himself in some freak accident (a la Jay Williams).

 

[Shakes]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Personally, I don't think anyone should be choosing one over the other.

Well we're not likely to get the two of them gift wrapped for us and given the choice between box A or box B, so I don't think the Bulls will be choosing one over the other either.

 

[houheffna]

Why don't you go live at average NBA career of guy who has microfracture surgery. Theres some many negatives on Amare I just don't get why anyone would want him over Bosh

At times Bosh plays soft, period. He is definitely and all-star but that is the problem for me.


Another quote called Gordon a franchise cornerstone......no. Good offensive player but.....no.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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houheffna wrote:

Personally, I would rather have Amare than Bosh, but I could be thinking about the Amare that smashed Duncan in the playoffs before his injury, I think he is a good player with some toughness, sometimes I think Bosh is a bit soft. I think Noah would make himself compatible with either person if he really wants to stay here. But my choices would be 1. Amare 2. West 3. Bosh and I would be very happy to get either of those 3.

Amare smashed everyone. Over the last 5 years, he is averaging 23.2 PPG on 63.1 TS%, 9.0 RPG, 1.6 BPG.

He is definitely the guy I want...of course, I wouldn't be disappointed with Bosh either...or West, and probably not Boozer either.

But you're only viewinig him from one side of the court.

Can you believe that Amar'e does not have one single season with double digit rebounding average? Not one. A guy of his size, his athletic ability, his skill and talent, his best rebounding average for the season 9.6 rebounds per game. This on a high octane offensive team, where you run up and down the court, throw up a lot of shots, and miss a lot of shots, yet he has never averaged double digit rebounds a game in any of his seasons.

Every player loves to shoot and score the basket, but you need determination to want to do the dirty work like boxing out sweaty men, who are holding, grabbing and scratching you for rebounds. He has never been the type of player that has ever put as much effort on the defensive end as he has on the offensive end.

Which leads me to Bosh, he is not the greatest defensive player, but he tries. I guess, it's like saying that your the best loser. But I'd prefer a Noc who tries to play defense and fails, over a player like Tim Thomas who doesn't try and fails miserably.

Bosh's offense is more finesse, where as Amar'e is more power around the basket, which is why Bosh's field goal percentage is lower. I personally hate centers or power forwards who shoots less than 50% from the field, but I'll forgive Bosh because he is an 80% shooter from the line.

Like many others, I'd be happy with either but with Bosh you an equally great player, yet not as dynamic. But you also get a less dynamic personality, who doesn't act like a prima-dona either. That being said, I've always said even with Amar'es personal issues and always wanting to be the man, with Rose it would be perfect because of Rose's low key personality, where he'll allow Amar'e to be the man without being the man.

I'd love both, but it's Bosh as the first priority for me.

 

[Shakes]

You're acting like Bosh is a great rebounder. I'd say they're both average rebounders. Bosh has played more minutes than Amare, nullifying any pace advantage. Bosh has a career 14.5% rebounding percentage. Amare has a career 14.8% rebounding percentage. They've both only cracked the top 10 in rebounds per game once in their careers. If you wanted to split the two, I'd guess you could say Amare's rebounding has gone up in the playoffs, and Bosh's has gone down.

As far as defense goes, neither has really played on a team that emphasises defense. The fact that Amare is perceived as not trying is potentially an advantage there. If he really isn't trying, you can still hope that if he played for a coach that demanded defense he'd buy in and be better. I think it's hard to project how players will go on defense because if you get someone like Scott Skiles in who makes players play defense you can make a team a lot better on defense without changing the players at all. Now whether you can get Amare to go along with that is a big unknown since he does have some reported ego issues.

I think it's pretty undeniable that Amare at his best is the better player, but health and personality issues make Bosh less risky. The classic upside vs chance to reach it debate. Again, not that we get a choice, in the unlikely event that we have a chance at either, we'd obviously take it and not cry over spilt milk of not getting the other.

 

[charity stripe]

I would give up Gordon for Bosh, I think if Deng turns it around there could be enough talent to contend.

But of course I would much rather have a Rose/Bosh/Gordon trio than other possible trios.