Bosh offer

[Basghetti80]

If you can get Gordon, Tyrus, #16 for Bosh then you jump all over that. That offer beats Beasley, Haslem and a pick. Rose, Salmons, Deng, Bosh with Hinrich and Miller as your core 7 is a very very strong basketball team.

 

[??? ??????]

BTW, if there is anyway where we could swing a three way, where Beasley comes here, I would prefer that over both Amare/Bosh, as Beasley and Rose could play pretty much their entire careers together.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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BTW, if there is anyway where we could swing a three way, where Beasley comes here, I would prefer that over both Amare/Bosh, as Beasley and Rose could play pretty much their entire careers together.

No way. I don't want anything to do with Beasley. I just don't trust him to play power forward in this league, and I don't want someone like him playing small forward either.

Nothing against the talent level of Beasley, but I'd prefer Bosh over Amar'e by a large margin.

 

[Shakes]

I doubt there's any way to get Beasley, but he'd be interesting. I'm not really sure why people were so disappointed with him, he came and and showed he was someone who could score a bunch in non-starter's minutes. When Ben Gordon does that as a rookie he's 6th man of the year, when Beasley does it he's a disappointment?

Obviously he's got a lot to work on, but we excuse Rose's defense and lack of shooting range as him being a rookie, I don't see why you'd be too down on Beasley. Given Bosh is nearly 5 years older than him, and Amare over 6 years older than him, I can see the appeal for some people. That said I doubt it matters because two players rarely end up playing on the same team together for a decade. Bosh and Amare are both plenty young enough so I'd take them as known quantities.

 

[Manic Devourer]

Shakes wrote:

I doubt there's any way to get Beasley, but he'd be interesting. I'm not really sure why people were so disappointed with him, he came and and showed he was someone who could score a bunch in non-starter's minutes. When Ben Gordon does that as a rookie he's 6th man of the year, when Beasley does it he's a disappointment?

Obviously he's got a lot to work on, but we excuse Rose's defense and lack of shooting range as him being a rookie, I don't see why you'd be too down on Beasley. Given Bosh is nearly 5 years older than him, and Amare over 6 years older than him, I can see the appeal for some people. That said I doubt it matters because two players rarely end up playing on the same team together for a decade. Bosh and Amare are both plenty young enough so I'd take them as known quantities.

My dislike for him has nothing to do with talent or his production on the court, it has everything to do with him as player with no real position, and his unpredictability as a person. Yes, one should not judge a person, but just with his track record, I wouldn't want him paired up with Rose to bestow the responsibilities of a franchise to. No thanks.

He has an over abundance of talent, that is unquestionable, but he roams around the perimeter way too much, and hardly ever plays in the post - well most of his first rookie season anyhow. So is he a small forward that plays a little in the post? Well I would say that he'll be the type of player that will get his points, but get torched by opposing small forwards for most of his career. I think he could very well turn into a Glen Robinson or Antoine Walker type, 2 players that had loads of talent offensively yet were never complete players who gradually become strictly jump shooters and wasted their talent.

 

[??? ??????]

Look at Vinny's offense. Tyrus Thomas gets wide open jumper after wide open jumper. There are jumpshots in our offense for the big men. And if they start playing Beasley out on the jumper, he can take any power forward in this league off the dribble.

In addition, Beasley's three point shooting would help open up driving lanes for Rose and Gordon.

 

[Manic Devourer]

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Look at Vinny's offense. Tyrus Thomas gets wide open jumper after wide open jumper. There are jumpshots in our offense for the big men. And if they start playing Beasley out on the jumper, he can take any power forward in this league off the dribble.

In addition, Beasley's three point shooting would help open up driving lanes for Rose and Gordon.

The main issue between winning and losing for the Bulls this season was not because we couldn't score, it was because we couldn't stop teams on the other end.

 

[Shakes]

We were 14th in the league on offense, and 18th on defense. We need improvement on both ends.

 

[Manic Devourer]

Shakes wrote:

We were 14th in the league on offense, and 18th on defense. We need improvement on both ends.

Sure, of course that I don't discount, which is why we need to push hard for Amar'e or Bosh and not be content with standing pat with the team we have now.

We need to make changes, and major changes at that.

 

[houheffna]

BTW, if there is anyway where we could swing a three way, where Beasley comes here, I would prefer that over both Amare/Bosh, as Beasley and Rose could play pretty much their entire careers together.

No, seriously. Derrick Rose himself would disagree with you on this one I think. Amare and Bosh are way above Beasley, not even close. Beasley will never do what Amare or Bosh does simply because he is not that height. Those guys are 3-4 inches taller. That makes a nice size difference in the NBA.

 

[Rose1]

houheffna wrote:

BTW, if there is anyway where we could swing a three way, where Beasley comes here, I would prefer that over both Amare/Bosh, as Beasley and Rose could play pretty much their entire careers together.

No, seriously. Derrick Rose himself would disagree with you on this one I think. Amare and Bosh are way above Beasley, not even close. Beasley will never do what Amare or Bosh does simply because he is not that height. Those guys are 3-4 inches taller. That makes a nice size difference in the NBA.

I think if Tyrus Thomas ever knocks down a jumper consistently, you easily can put him above Beasley. Beasley is skilled but he's stuck in a 3 body and doesn't have agility to his advantage. I'm laughing at Heat because Lopez will clearly be the better player. Plus, I think Bosh should be coveted by Bulls management; it's no reason we can't get him. We have players that sure up certain struggling positions of theirs and hands down we have more flexibility than other teams. I would be surprise if we don't get him. We have been needing this so long.

 

[Shakes]

Tyrus measured a whole quarter inch taller and 22 pounds lighter than Beasley without shoes pre-draft. I don't see how you can call Beasley a "3 body" and then offer Tyrus as the alternative.

Tyrus has been in the league three years and is nowhere near the offensive player Beasley is already. Tyrus can hit a wide open jumper, but hoping for him to do much more is a pipe dream at this point. Where as Beasley can potentially be a legit second option to Wade in the future. Obviously he needs to work on things like rebounding, so I'm not saying he's a sure thing, but there's no way I'd turn down a swap with Tyrus.

 

[houheffna]

Tyrus is versatile and should be able to play the 3 and 4 eventually. His athleticism is off the charts, that is why a lot of people don't want to get rid of him. Beasley may be a good player eventually, but I don't see him being that good, especially not Bosh/Amare good. If the Heat lets him go after a year, I would be very wary of that...

 

[senrad]

"I'm laughing at Heat because Lopez will clearly be the better player. "

Lopez had a better year this year but his upside isn't nearly what Beasley's is. Beasley will be a better player than Lopez starting next year.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

Eric Gordon could end up being better then both Lopez and Beasley. Bottom line is we don't know for sure who is going to be the best player....lets just let it play out.

In trading for Bosh, Lopez (regardless of his value compared to beasley) would seem to have more value to Toronto. They will need someone to replace Bosh at the 5...and Lopez is a true 5. Would fit nicely next to bargs.

If Beasley were a true 3, instead of a 3/4 hybrid, it would help. im not sure Toronto would even want him at the 3 spot, especially when he'd have to guard guys like LBJ, Pierce, Granger, etc...