Bosh offer

[Ralphb07]

Manic Devourer wrote:

You know, a little off topic. But I really dislike how players, more-so the star players have so much leverage in whether they want to stay or go, and hand-cuffing franchises because of this. I mean for a franchise like Toronto, more than any other team, it would really cripple them if they lost their best player, and the face of their franchise for anything less than a star player in return. Though they have a strong fan base, the Raptors are still like the cousin by marriage more so than by blood to the rest of the league.

I guess I just miss the days when players had a sense of loyality to the team that drafted them, and the times when they jumped ship it made massive news because it wasn't as common when it happened. But hey, that's just me..

It's just part of the business and he only has leverage because he contract is expiring. A player should honor there contract but should be free to decide where they wanna go when there a FA. Teams make the trades because they don't wanna lose the player for nothing which is the case with Bosh

I don't like when players have 2-3 years on a contract and demand a trade. If you're under contract honor it....

I wouldn't put Bosh in this because it's Toronto knowing he won't re sign so they'll try to get something

 

[Dpauley23]

Ya know I think were discounting Warriors here. The package Im hearing is Randolph, Bellini, Crawford and Steve Jack for Bosh, Humphries, and Ukic. Look at it from Warriors prespective they trade two bad contracts in Crawford and Jackson. Trade away guy they probably won't resign in Bellini and so they only have to trade away Randolph who could easily be bust. You get one year of Bosh and if you don't resign him oh well. The will rejunviate franchise which is much needed and put themselves in good position come 2010

 

[J-Mart]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya know I think were discounting Warriors here. The package Im hearing is Randolph, Bellini, Crawford and Steve Jack for Bosh, Humphries, and Ukic. Look at it from Warriors prespective they trade two bad contracts in Crawford and Jackson. Trade away guy they probably won't resign in Bellini and so they only have to trade away Randolph who could easily be bust. You get one year of Bosh and if you don't resign him oh well. The will rejunviate franchise which is much needed and put themselves in good position come 2010

Ok, well if Bosh leaves in 2010 who is going to sign with Warriors? No one, so all they are doing is dumping salary while giving up Randolph, who may be a bust, but you don't give him up just to dump salary.

 

[Dpauley23]

Golden State is big market and they have alot of money believe me its worth it. Maybe Bosh ends up liking GS. If I had chance to do that trade I would do it in heart beat

 

[Hendu0520]

I think it is all based on Toronto and how they feel about Bosh. If they continue to think he is going to leave in 2010 then they will probably be open to some trade packages. I think we have some pieces that they would be interested in. I don't know if they would wanna take all that salary from Golden State or that many players from a messy team. The Bulls should be ready to give up anyone but Rose for Bosh. But 2 of our rotation players and a Jerome James should be enough and we can keep our picks.

 

[2ndcitydiehard]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya know I think were discounting Warriors here. The package Im hearing is Randolph, Bellini, Crawford and Steve Jack for Bosh, Humphries, and Ukic. Look at it from Warriors prespective they trade two bad contracts in Crawford and Jackson. Trade away guy they probably won't resign in Bellini and so they only have to trade away Randolph who could easily be bust. You get one year of Bosh and if you don't resign him oh well. The will rejunviate franchise which is much needed and put themselves in good position come 2010

Why the hell does Toronto take on all that money from Crawford and Jackson just to make this deal? That's just ridiculous.... if they take that deal their GM deserves to be FIRED.

 

[Shakes]

Manic Devourer wrote:

You know, a little off topic. But I really dislike how players, more-so the star players have so much leverage in whether they want to stay or go, and hand-cuffing franchises because of this. I mean for a franchise like Toronto, more than any other team, it would really cripple them if they lost their best player, and the face of their franchise for anything less than a star player in return. Though they have a strong fan base, the Raptors are still like the cousin by marriage more so than by blood to the rest of the league.

I guess I just miss the days when players had a sense of loyality to the team that drafted them, and the times when they jumped ship it made massive news because it wasn't as common when it happened. But hey, that's just me..

This is the player's job. I know I certainly wouldn't appreciate people telling me I had to stay for the first employer that hired me and show some loyalty when said employer could sack (or in the player's case trade) me at any time showing no loyalty at all.

I think it's unreasonable to expect players to just put up with anything and not complain. If anything I think players should have more say in where they get to play.

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya know I think were discounting Warriors here. The package Im hearing is Randolph, Bellini, Crawford and Steve Jack for Bosh, Humphries, and Ukic. Look at it from Warriors prespective they trade two bad contracts in Crawford and Jackson. Trade away guy they probably won't resign in Bellini and so they only have to trade away Randolph who could easily be bust. You get one year of Bosh and if you don't resign him oh well. The will rejunviate franchise which is much needed and put themselves in good position come 2010

No we're not especially not with that offer

Salmons is better than Stephen Jackson. Take away Jacksons volume and he isn't all that good.... JC why would Toronto want JC. If they were willing to take JC why not take Kirk which is a better player and more team orinated.....

Randolph could be good but could also be a huge huge bust. Tyrus made good strides this season and you know at the very worst he is a NBA starter which you don't even know if Randolph is that yet

We also can give them James which salary is 80% covered and expires in 2010 and we can take back Kapono. So James for Kapono is a big big savings for them

Also throw Kirk out of the deal and add 16th and 26 which now they'll have two young guys on cheap contracts for the next 4 years

If the offer is JC, S-Jax, Marco and Randolph we trump that easily plus Bosh would rather come to us because we would have a really good team for him....

We'll have Noah,Miller,Deng,Kirk,Rose still and most likely with this trade would keep BG

 

[clonetrooper264]

Ralphb07 wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya know I think were discounting Warriors here. The package Im hearing is Randolph, Bellini, Crawford and Steve Jack for Bosh, Humphries, and Ukic. Look at it from Warriors prespective they trade two bad contracts in Crawford and Jackson. Trade away guy they probably won't resign in Bellini and so they only have to trade away Randolph who could easily be bust. You get one year of Bosh and if you don't resign him oh well. The will rejunviate franchise which is much needed and put themselves in good position come 2010

No we're not especially not with that offer

Salmons is better than Stephen Jackson. Take away Jacksons volume and he isn't all that good.... JC why would Toronto want JC. If they were willing to take JC why not take Kirk which is a better player and more team orinated.....

Randolph could be good but could also be a huge huge bust. Tyrus made good strides this season and you know at the very worst he is a NBA starter which you don't even know if Randolph is that yet

We also can give them James which salary is 80% covered and expires in 2010 and we can take back Kapono. So James for Kapono is a big big savings for them

Also throw Kirk out of the deal and add 16th and 26 which now they'll have two young guys on cheap contracts for the next 4 years

If the offer is JC, S-Jax, Marco and Randolph we trump that easily plus Bosh would rather come to us because we would have a really good team for him....

We'll have Noah,Miller,Deng,Kirk,Rose still and most likely with this trade would keep BG

Getting Bosh IMO makes Ben Gordon think twice about leaving because now you have Rose and Bosh and then Gordon can be that 3rd scoring option or 2nd, it doesn't really matter. That's a very dangerous team and I think Ben is smart enough to see that. It's a very good big 3 obviously and I think that Ben will want to stay if we can get Bosh.

 

[Ralphb07]

Getting Bosh IMO makes Ben Gordon think twice about leaving because now you have Rose and Bosh and then Gordon can be that 3rd scoring option or 2nd, it doesn't really matter. That's a very dangerous team and I think Ben is smart enough to see that. It's a very good big 3 obviously and I think that Ben will want to stay if we can get Bosh.

Keeping BG is more on the Bulls than BG. Gordon has said he wants to remain a Bull, it's all about the money. If it wasn't for the Luxury Tax he'll be signed but JR has said he'll pay the LT for a championship team which IMO landing Bosh makes us one so he'll have no excuses not to offer BG what he deserves and pay the tax....

You didn't even mention Deng which makes us so scary. Having Rose-Gordon-Deng-Bosh-Noah all we need is 3 scrub players and we'll be good. Look at Boston with Jackie Moon and Eddie House

 

[houheffna]

Having Rose-Gordon-Deng-Bosh-Noah all we need is 3 scrub players and we'll be good. Look at Boston with Jackie Moon and Eddie House

This is a good team, about as good as Orlando, however, I don't know if this is enough to beat Lebron...

 

[Ralphb07]

houheffna wrote:

Having Rose-Gordon-Deng-Bosh-Noah all we need is 3 scrub players and we'll be good. Look at Boston with Jackie Moon and Eddie House

This is a good team, about as good as Orlando, however, I don't know if this is enough to beat Lebron...

Not next year but with Rose in year 3 and 4 I think it can

 

[clonetrooper264]

Ralphb07 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

Having Rose-Gordon-Deng-Bosh-Noah all we need is 3 scrub players and we'll be good. Look at Boston with Jackie Moon and Eddie House

This is a good team, about as good as Orlando, however, I don't know if this is enough to beat Lebron...

Not next year but with Rose in year 3 and 4 I think it can

In about year 3 that team should be definitely challenging LeBron for control over the Eastern Conference. Assuming that Deng is healthy and that everyone continues to improve like they are, this team can and possibly will win a championship.

 

[houheffna]

Beating LeBron will kind of be like how the Celtics beat Chamberlain. You will need an all-star team. I think he is just that good. Remember, he is only 23 years old. That Deng contract really messes things up...they are going to have to have a really strong bench and make Lebron work for his points and work defensively. We will see, I hope they get Bosh, but they need some toughness also. I am anxious to see LeBron against actual competition this year....

 

[Dpauley23]

So I guess that theres offers being talked about. Got this from real gm forum from guy who has connections with Toronto. He called the JO Marion trade week and half before. Bulls and Miami are frontrunners. Beasley, Haslem, James Jones, 2 rounder, future 1 rounder for Bosh, Douby, 1 rounder. Bulls are offering Tyrus, 1 rounder, and S+T of Gordon

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

So I guess that theres offers being talked about. Got this from real gm forum from guy who has connections with Toronto. He called the JO Marion trade week and half before. Bulls and Miami are frontrunners. Beasley, Haslem, James Jones, 2 rounder, future 1 rounder for Bosh, Douby, 1 rounder. Bulls are offering Tyrus, 1 rounder, and S+T of Gordon

I wouldn't look into that too much.... It could be poster saying stuff....

 

[Dpauley23]

Doesn't seem like crap since that Miami offer is pretty well thought out and really rare. He said he cousin is tight with Kapano, he solid poster and hasn't spread bs yet. Im not saying im talking this to heart, but seems like good chance he's telling the truth. It sounded like Raptors were leaning towards Heat offer too

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Doesn't seem like crap since that Miami offer is pretty well thought out and really rare. He said he cousin is tight with Kapano, he solid poster and hasn't spread bs yet. Im not saying im talking this to heart, but seems like good chance he's telling the truth. It sounded like Raptors were leaning towards Heat offer too

The things that don't make sense.....

Gordon is a UFA so he'll have to agree to Toronto first and that part of the process happens July 1st which is after the draft.

If we traded our pick Toronto would want to make the selections and might not value the guy we pick

I could see Toronto saying they're interested in Gordon and the Bulls know the exact amount that it will take to land Gordon so I could see the Bulls telling them amount X will get it done and they could be cool with that..... But I just don't think that's what happen

As far as the Heat deal IMO the Raptors would be fools to take Beasley, Haslem and the Heat 1st over Gordon, Tyrus and the Bulls 1st.

Beasley can still be a good player but he didn't show me a lot this year that makes him and Haslem a better combo offer than Tyrus and Gordon plus our 1st is better than there's

James contract is more attractive then reciveing Wright and Jones

 

[Dpauley23]

Ya the draft thing is what most people are being supsicious about since we can't sign and trade Gordon till July 1. I think it really depends on how much Raptors value Beasley

 

[Ralphb07]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ya the draft thing is what most people are being supsicious about since we can't sign and trade Gordon till July 1. I think it really depends on how much Raptors value Beasley

That's really my point. I think people just assume Beasley has the same value as he did entering the draft and I just don't see it. I just don't think it's as clear cut that his value is the same.....

For example Rose raised his value, Mayo, Lopez, Love raised there's. I don't think Beasley raised his