BREAKING: Blackhawks to hold briefing on Jenner & Block investigation

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

Q could have went to HR or the police like anyone else.

There are still so many unanswered questions from the report. Ill put together the ones I have later in a post.

I know I have some:

If the Hawks had won Cups in 2017 and 2019, and Quenneville was still here, and Stan was more liked as a result, would there have been more of a Penn State like push back by Hawks fans?

Say Manon Rheaume was the player assaulted...how quickly would things have moved then? Where I'm going with this is: did the homosexual aspect affect the manner in which this was handled?

 

[LordKOTL]

I know I have some:

If the Hawks had won Cups in 2017 and 2019, and Quenneville was still here, and Stan was more liked as a result, would there have been more of a Penn State like push back by Hawks fans?

Say Manon Rheaume was the player assaulted...how quickly would things have moved then? Where I'm going with this is: did the homosexual aspect affect the manner in which this was handled?

I think that played into it, I also think Beach's history did...but it doesn't make it right. It looks like everyone who could have done anything, failed.

Shitty situation.

 

[HSBOB]

Irrelevant

But they didn't handle it, they egregiously violated their own internal policy, got their Cup, and swept it under the rug.

This is why you call the police...get unbiased eyes on the situation...you think Kyle Beach is the only guy to drink and have sex in the NHL? You can't be this naive.

This is just a garbage cheap shot. I live with someone who was sexually assaulted, and he and we have been living with the aftermath for 17 years and counting now. There isn't an amount of money that could compensate for the pain and damage that was done to him and all of us.

You and I have agreed on a lot, and I respect and like you, but your take on this is homer meatball tone deaf garbage.

This is the problem in this situation and a lot of others in this world.....

"Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are."

Benjamin Franklin

So you respect my homer,meatball,tone deaf garbage? Save it!

How many front offices stop believing their biggest trouble maker shortly after "I got fucked up with your ast coach and we had a three way with this hooker and........."

Maybe now the league is finished with this,they'll address Chicago's disgusting racist jersey.

I'm sorry to hear of what happened to someone you care about.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

So you respect my homer,meatball,tone deaf garbage? Save it!

No, I respect you generally, not your take on this.

How many front offices stop believing their biggest trouble maker shortly after "I got fucked up with your ast coach and we had a three way with this hooker and........."

The only thing preventing you from calling Patrick Kane the biggest trouble maker in this franchise's history is a DNA test absolving him. His actions when he was 20 were shit: punching a cabbie over a dime, whoring around, and public drunkenness. He was allowed to grow out of it....Beach was never afforded the opportunity.

Maybe now the league is finished with this,they'll address Chicago's disgusting racist jersey.

Maybe, but irrelevant to this incident.

I'm sorry to hear of what happened to someone you care about.

Thank you.

 

[HeHateMe]

To fit your feeble narrative, probably.

There isn’t a single person on this planet who thinks what Aldrich did to Beach is ok. Not one.

But Kyle Beach was a human piece of shit before it even happened. SJW’s are going to look really stupid when the shit he pulled comes out into the open before he was even drafted by the Hawks.

So basically you're saying anti rape "SJWs" are going to be more pro-rape like you, when they find out Beach was a bully?

Are there IRL people in your life you say these sorts of things to? Or do you only share these takes with people online who you're hoping "follow hockey" like you do?

What a ****ing creep you are ?

 

[HSBOB]

No, I respect you generally, not your take on this.


The only thing preventing you from calling Patrick Kane the biggest trouble maker in this franchise's history is a DNA test absolving him. His actions when he was 20 were shit: punching a cabbie over a dime, whoring around, and public drunkenness. He was allowed to grow out of it....Beach was never afforded the opportunity.


Maybe, but irrelevant to this incident.

Thank you.

To be honest,I'm looking for no one's affirmation on my opinion.
The team's president/CEO told his coaching staff to concentrate on hockey,we'll handle this.....and that's what they did. So now Q can never work again because he did what he was told?

Yeah,all the cup winners are jagoffs now but that doesn't change the fact that Beach was just an awful person to opponents and teammates and was in trouble so often the higher ups found him hard to believe.

Beach never got the opportunity because he wasn't good or committed enough.

 

[Diehardfan]

It was reported that Q didn't meet with the media after the Panthers' game last night. Even Toews and Kane faced the music and gave post-game interviews. Many are also surprised he was even allowed to coach last night, considering players are not allowed to play until after they meet with the NHL. I'll admit: I was a huge Q fan when he was here -- like almost any Hawk fan -- but he needs to go. I can't imagine the league won't fire him and Chevy at this point.

Everything that made the Cup era great is now forever tainted by some fucking video coach no one would have ever noticed was gone. This all could have been so easily avoided.

Kudos to you for making this call. Even though I knew he was involved in this mess, I didn't see it coming. I mean the guy is a HOF coach....at least he was.

Who knows now?

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

To be honest,I'm looking for no one's affirmation on my opinion.
The team's president/CEO told his coaching staff to concentrate on hockey,we'll handle this.....and that's what they did. So now Q can never work again because he did what he was told?

Yeah,all the cup winners are jagoffs now but that doesn't change the fact that Beach was just an awful person to opponents and teammates and was in trouble so often the higher ups found him hard to believe.

Again....see Patrick Kane

Beach never got the opportunity because he wasn't good or committed enough.

Assessments made by the people who ignored what one of their coaches did to him? Not like they would then have an agenda to get rid of him after that, would they? Nahhhh.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

looks like Q tried to ride the backlash out but couldn’t he’s finally stepped down.
Everyone’s reputations are tarnished and for what? Lesson is stop brushing things under the rug and attack issues. There will be backlash but also respect for doing the right thing. Everyone is in a worse place now.
But has anyone learned a lesson out of this? Doubt it. We will see more scandals that teams politicians religious figures etc tried hiding

 

[ruprecht]

Some of the takes in this thread

 

[Granada]

To be honest,I'm looking for no one's affirmation on my opinion.
The team's president/CEO told his coaching staff to concentrate on hockey,we'll handle this.....and that's what they did. So now Q can never work again because he did what he was told?

Yeah,all the cup winners are jagoffs now but that doesn't change the fact that Beach was just an awful person to opponents and teammates and was in trouble so often the higher ups found him hard to believe.

Beach never got the opportunity because he wasn't good or committed enough.

If the reports are true, it was Q who said (paraphrasing) it's hard enough to win a Stanley Cup without any distractions, and that he didn't want anything to get in the way. So, that pretty much makes him as culpable as anyone, hate to say it Bob but it's true. I always loved Q, but that's unacceptable.

Listen, Beach's reputation is what it is, but just because he was a loose cannon or whatever you want to call him, that doesn't make what happened to him or the complete inaction that occurred afterward right or justified. Everyone is trying to pass the buck here: Q thought Stan was going to act, Stan thought McD was going to act. At the end of the day, it's bull shit -- any one of them should have and could have done something. I mean their inaction led to a child getting abused.

If you want to say the players weren't culpable, I could understand that argument, but the leaders of this organization have no excuse for how they behaved. They are the leaders of the org for a reason, and they all failed -- it's really as simple as that. You can't just excuse this just because the victim is a "bad apple." You still investigate the damn matter.

 

[DaHawkz24]

After reading the full report, re-reading parts to make sure I got it right, Beaches statements, and other articles/research here are my BIG and IMPORTANT questions that need to be answered.

-What did the management actually know?
-Beach story
-Aldrich story
-Woman story (different night? Beach claims she never came up to the apartment)
-Was Black Ace 1 more involved?

-Paul Vinccent is said to be the first person who was told. What did he do with the info? He has police experience, and is being called a hero now.

-Jim Gary claims to only know much minor details like propositioning, explicit texts, drinking, career threats, and possibly the 'consensual' group sex
-Did Beach tell him everything?
-Did Jim Gary downplay what he was told to management?

- Did Beach want to involve law enforcement?
-If the Hawks report it they need his cooperation
-The details in the report sadly show that Aldrich would probably not be charged unless harassing texts would be enough evidence or a crime in itself.


-*HUGE* did management ever meet with Aldrich (Im sure they did)
-There is some reason that they felt keeping Aldrich around the team was ok.
-Did they conclude that Beach was lying or that everything was consensual?
-Im sure management at least saw text messages as proof.
-Was Aldrich told to cut film, go home, and dont communicate with our players?

-What did the players really know? Were there really rumors all over the locker room?
-Team meetings? (Guys forget the rumors they are all untrue lets win the cup)

-WHO WERE THE BULLIES?
-Story of Beach and Black Ace 1 joking about the situation
-Did this make other players feel comfortable joking about it?
-Could it have been more fringe AHL guys who spent a lot more time with Beach?
-Could it be opponents who had issues with Beach and used the rumors as ammo?

-Why let Aldrich be part of the parade, team outings, day with the cup, banner raising etc?
-Again they either didnt know how bad it was or just wanted to keep appearences.

-Did the Blackhawks provide any references?
-It seems like the Q review is just internal
-Aldrich says he never used anyone from the Blackhawks as a reference
-His dad is/was with the Sharks, employers can just look at media guides or anything to confirm. He had no legal record to worry about
-The most recent article I found about the positive references suit says that Aldrich day with the Cup is enough of a reference

-Did anything happen at ND?
-He was employed there directly before and after the Blackhawks
-ND will not cooperate at all

-How is Miami Ohio off the hook and said to have acted correctly?
-Very similar incidents with undergrad students
-He was put on leave and resigned
-Obviously nothing legal happened because he went straight to the high school and abused a 16 year old.

I think this is all I have...

Overall the Blackhawks management failed this situation no matter how minor they may have thought the incidents were. A coach should not be hanging out with players getting underrage players alcohol, sending sexual harrassing texts and especially having even consensual situations with players. Thats even if they refused to believe it was assault.

Unfortunately even 2010 was a completely different society than now. Only a small percentage of people think its ok to say "I reported this to my superior and they handled it"
In 2012 Penn State had much larger groups defending Paterno on many more incidents, with young kids, over a much longer span of time because he reported what he knew and figured Sandusky must just have a lot of people not like him,

The players:
Sopel and Boynton - what did they really KNOW besides "everyone knew" since they want to talk so openly, and I hope they do
Kane, Toews, Keith - I get that Bowman and Q basically helped raise you, but you can't come out publicly saying they are great and amazing people.
Sharp, Seabs, Hossa, Ladd, Buff, Versteeg, Campbell, Bolland, on and on. I get that they must be relieved to not be in the spotlight, but it would be very helpful for guys like that to speak up.

Beach really needs to name players who were harassing him. If not other members of those teams need to step up to defend themselves or to call out the offenders as a show of support to Beach,

 

[LordKOTL]

If the reports are true, it was Q who said (paraphrasing) it's hard enough to win a Stanley Cup without any distractions, and that he didn't want anything to get in the way. So, that pretty much makes him as culpable as anyone, hate to say it Bob but it's true. I always loved Q, but that's unacceptable.

Listen, Beach's reputation is what it is, but just because he was a loose cannon or whatever you want to call him, that doesn't make what happened to him or the complete inaction that occurred afterward right or justified. Everyone is trying to pass the buck here: Q thought Stan was going to act, Stan thought McD was going to act. At the end of the day, it's bull shit -- any one of them should have and could have done something. I mean their inaction led to a child getting abused.

If you want to say the players weren't culpable, I could understand that argument, but the leaders of this organization have no excuse for how they behaved. They are the leaders of the org for a reason, and they all failed -- it's really as simple as that. You can't just excuse this just because the victim is a "bad apple." You still investigate the damn matter.

Huge respect from me. You get it.
~~~
As for Kane and Toews: It is highly probable that the bomb dropping on the investigation did send shockwaves through them and put them within a grief mindset--specifically the 1st stage: denial.

That doesn't make what they said any better or any easier to stomach, but it could be a factor in why they said what they said vs. El Gato, and a lot of other players in the league that weren't that close to Stan. A reason, not an excuse.

IMHO, the real test for them and their character is their next press meeting. Do they recant/redact? Even JC redacted himself when he realized he might be getting off of the main crux of the incident. I think if they do come out and redact, it will be a good gesture and them owning up to messing up. If not, it'll reflect badly in my opinion.

 

[Granada]

I was hoping this would happen:

Hockey Hall to remove Aldrich's name from Cup at Blackhawks' request | NHL.com

Beach alleges sexual assault by then-video coach in 2010 with Chicago

www.nhl.com

How tragically ironic that, even if it's x'ed out, that Cup team will always have a literal permanent stain. Brutal on so many levels.

 

[Granada]

Chevy not fired

NHL statement on Jets general manager Cheveldayoff | NHL.com

NEW YORK -- After meeting today in person with Winnipeg Jets General Manager, Kevin Cheveldayoff, the National Hockey League has concluded that Cheveldayoff was not responsible for the improper decisions made by the Chicago Blackhawks related to the Brad Aldrich matter in 2010, which decisions...

www.nhl.com

 

[MassHavoc]

One really minor thing here that I think is also important that is getting looked past because we think of these hockey players as grown ass men, and I know he's Canadian so maybe he grew up with different laws, but he was still just 20 when this happen. Wasn't even of legal age and I don't think I've heard the discussion talk about the fact that he was also illegally supplying booze (and presumably drugs) to someone underage. This to me alone seems to be a huge red flag as the number one move of a sexual predator. First thing they do is booze up the minor. I would think even without all the other stuff, that should have been enough for the organization to have fired him. Even if they didn't want to wade into the sexual assault waters, they had an easy excuse for firing beyond that.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

So you respect my homer,meatball,tone deaf garbage? Save it!

How many front offices stop believing their biggest trouble maker shortly after "I got fucked up with your ast coach and we had a three way with this hooker and........."

Maybe now the league is finished with this,they'll address Chicago's disgusting racist jersey.

I'm sorry to hear of what happened to someone you care about.

Thought about this this morning, though I doubt they'll do it:

Say, next summer would be a perfect time to address this as part of a rebranding and fresh start for the franchise. There have been plenty of cool designs that don't need to stray away from the general design and color scheme of the current jersey.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

If the reports are true, it was Q who said (paraphrasing) it's hard enough to win a Stanley Cup without any distractions, and that he didn't want anything to get in the way. So, that pretty much makes him as culpable as anyone, hate to say it Bob but it's true. I always loved Q, but that's unacceptable.

Listen, Beach's reputation is what it is, but just because he was a loose cannon or whatever you want to call him, that doesn't make what happened to him or the complete inaction that occurred afterward right or justified. Everyone is trying to pass the buck here: Q thought Stan was going to act, Stan thought McD was going to act. At the end of the day, it's bull shit -- any one of them should have and could have done something. I mean their inaction led to a child getting abused.

If you want to say the players weren't culpable, I could understand that argument, but the leaders of this organization have no excuse for how they behaved. They are the leaders of the org for a reason, and they all failed -- it's really as simple as that. You can't just excuse this just because the victim is a "bad apple." You still investigate the damn matter.

Bravo my friend, Much respect to you.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

One really minor thing here that I think is also important that is getting looked past because we think of these hockey players as grown ass men, and I know he's Canadian so maybe he grew up with different laws, but he was still just 20 when this happen. Wasn't even of legal age and I don't think I've heard the discussion talk about the fact that he was also illegally supplying booze (and presumably drugs) to someone underage. This to me alone seems to be a huge red flag as the number one move of a sexual predator. First thing they do is booze up the minor. I would think even without all the other stuff, that should have been enough for the organization to have fired him. Even if they didn't want to wade into the sexual assault waters, they had an easy excuse for firing beyond that.

Absolutely spot on....this has to do with positions of power.

I was talking to a guy who is retired from my trade and gave him a scenario based on some people that were on a large job myself and this guy worked a few years ago: to be clear, this did not happen, it's a scenario drawing on the business my friend and I are in. 21 year old kid was in our union's trainee program...his tasks are limited by his position, and he's not even in the actual apprenticeship yet. He's helping out in the tool/material shanty, and the guy running it is a foreman who has been around a while. Say he tells the kid, "You're doing a great job, let me buy you a beer after work this Friday." Mind you this is by legal definition, an adult of drinking age. So he foreman buys him 3 or 4 beers, and they're shooting the bull having a good old time. Next thing, foreman starts a little thigh rub, and when the kid resists, he starts telling him how he knows people in the union and the superintendent at the shop, and could put a good word in for the kid to get into the apprenticeship...the kid balks, and then he starts to tell him how he can use the same connections to ruin him....in that scenario, the trainee is still a 21 year old legal adult, but clearly there is a significant imbalance in the power in that situation, and a 21 year old kid, a little drunk, scared about his job, and not experienced at life in general is at a massive disadvantage, just where the predator wants him.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

Wait was he full on raped or sexually assaulted? Not that it really matters, but I also feel like we should be as accurate as possible. Idk which one is correct.