BREAKING: Generational, best qb prospect since Peyton Manning w/ best situation for a #1 pick ever doesn’t make OROY finalist list. DAMN!

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i think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying Williams wouldn't have played better in Washington than he would have in Chicago, I'm sure he would have.

I'm saying that Williams would not have played better in Washington compared to what Daniels did in Washington. That's the comparison.

In other words, Williams would not be anywhere close to fighting for a berth in the SB this weekend if he had played in Washington this year.

I don't know if that's completely true. Caleb's numbers aren't quite what Daniels' are, but on another team, they likely win. Daniels is playing better but let's not over look the other players on that team who are also playing well. Plus Quinn knows what he's doing on the other side of the ball and has at least gotten another team to the SB.

It's a fair point.
 
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No one is arguing that Celeb's not talented. There are so many QBs that flopped who were talented. I'm sort of getting tired of hearing about Caleb's talent, personally.

Caleb having a rocket arm doesn't do a lot for me. Jeff George had a rocket arm. Many have had rocket arms. Daniels proved he could see the field better than Williams, find open receivers better, make decisions quicker, and most of all, lead his team on drives and score points better. All without a rocket arm. Yes, he had better coaching. Better line too.

I think Daniels would have been able to do that in Chi better than Williams was able to do that in Chi if he went to us. He wouldn't have taken Chi to the playoffs but he would have done better than Williams because of those things I mentioned I think. If you disagree with that, okay.

I also don't think Williams would have done nearly as well as Daniels if he had been in Washington. You think he would have had similar results. Okay.

But here's the thing...Chicago Bears fans seem to have this gigantic confirmation bias with these two guys. Bears fans want so desperately to believe Daniels will end up being RGIII and Williams will end up being Josh Allen that they don't seem to see reality in front of them with Daniels. We don't know who Williams is going to be. I pray he figures out how to see the field better and not look like a deer in headlights, process much faster and get rid of the ball faster. If he can do that, sure seems like he could be great. But that's a huge if. We all want that. Real bad. But to my way of thinking again, that is a huge if.

Daniels has already shown he can do all those things. Now Williams, with a better offensive mind, will show us if he can do them next year. Feels like we've all been in this boat a lot over the last bunch of years. Williams certainly has more talent that Mitch and Fields did but the one thing that scares me is that I'm not so sure someone can learn how to process better and see the field better in a significant way. Maybe it's just having the game slow down, something that happens after experience. We'll see next year.
The whole processing thing is bullshit. He could see the field. The problem is the IOL was so leaky that Williams and both play callers could not trust the protection.

Why do you think Brown was calling all of those ridiculous WR screens? If a QB can’t get to the proper depth on his drops and can’t step up into the pocket, they’re basically done.

I don’t give a damn who you are, if the o-line is leaky in the middle, you’re going to struggle.

Even with all that, Caleb put the team into position to win a number of games where they came up short including head-to-head with Daniels.

If the Bears had converted a few more of those opportunities, the narrative would be drastically different.

By the way, that offense that Kliff is running is about as simple as it gets. In the last game, they were primarily running the triple option.

Against the Bucs, it was a ton of mesh concepts and RPOs. The Bucs were so frightened by Daniels threat to run, they were deploying two spies on some downs. It is all part of the package and he’s an elite runner. I don’t think it is sustainable in the NFL.

There’s no denying he’s a talented football player.

I believe what Caleb dealt with this year will make him stronger. That guy is mentally tough and a great competitor. Plus, he’s tough as nails. Even if he paints his nails.
 

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The whole processing thing is bullshit. He could see the field. The problem is the IOL was so leaky that Williams and both play callers could not trust the protection.

Why do you think Brown was calling all of those ridiculous WR screens? If a QB can’t get to the proper depth on his drops and can’t step up into the pocket, they’re basically done.

I don’t give a damn who you are, if the o-line is leaky in the middle, you’re going to struggle.

Even with all that, Caleb put the team into position to win a number of games where they came up short including head-to-head with Daniels.

If the Bears had converted a few more of those opportunities, the narrative would be drastically different.

By the way, that offense that Kliff is running is about as simple as it gets. In the last game, they were primarily running the triple option.

Against the Bucs, it was a ton of mesh concepts and RPOs. The Bucs were so frightened by Daniels threat to run, they were deploying two spies on some downs. It is all part of the package and he’s an elite runner. I don’t think it is sustainable in the NFL.

There’s no denying he’s a talented football player.

I believe what Caleb dealt with this year will make him stronger. That guy is mentally tough and a great competitor. Plus, he’s tough as nails. Even if he paints his nails.


I hear you but I think the processing thing is real, and I think he needs to figure it out and I hope it's something he can figure out.

I also think Daniels is going to be around and healthy for a long time, I think it's sustainable. My guess is the playbook will be more complex his second year.

Too bad Williams didn't have simple concepts like that, he would have done better and had more confidence doing it, but I also get your point about this year benefitting him in the long run.

I have my doubts. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
 

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Daniels' completion pct > Caleb's
Daniels' Passer rating > Caleb's
Daniels threw for more TDs than Caleb

So what's the punchline?
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Look at the attempts difference
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Also the rushing production.

Not to mention how much of Calebs production is empty. It isnt even close.
 

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I hear you but I think the processing thing is real, and I think he needs to figure it out and I hope it's something he can figure out.

I also think Daniels is going to be around and healthy for a long time, I think it's sustainable. My guess is the playbook will be more complex his second year.

Too bad Williams didn't have simple concepts like that, he would have done better and had more confidence doing it, but I also get your point about this year benefitting him in the long run.

I have my doubts. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
Exactly. All of the "he's too frail" and "defenses will figure him out" folks clearly had no idea what JD was capable of.
I'm sure now they will be saying he will have a Stroud-like season next year. I don't think that's the case.

I said it before: This guy is going to be good. Maybe great.
 

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Exactly. All of the "he's too frail" and "defenses will figure him out" folks clearly had no idea what JD was capable of.
I'm sure now they will be saying he will have a Stroud-like season next year. I don't think that's the case.

I said it before: This guy is going to be good. Maybe great.
that team is hungry and that Eagles team looked pretty mortal last week. I mean if the Commanders can wreck the Lions at home I think anything is possible. a Commanders/Bills Super Bowl sounds great. should be an entertaining weekend of football permitting the Chiefs don't ref their way to winning again.
 

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Daniels' completion pct > Caleb's
Daniels' Passer rating > Caleb's
Daniels threw for more TDs than Caleb

So what's the punchline?
I guess the punchline is that you are so clueless you don't even know what you are responding to. Daniels is having one of the greatest rookie seasons in NFL history. To characterize Caleb's numbers as being "not quite" as good as Daniels' is like saying D'andre Swift's numbers 'aren't quite' as good as Josh Jacobs'.
 

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This is what should matter to Bear fans not Offensive Rookie of the Year…

“As Johnson surveyed his options, the presence of Williams was a major factor in him opening his interview with chairman George McCaskey, president/CEO Kevin Warren and Poles by saying, “I want this job.”

“There’s no doubt Caleb played a large component in my decision,” Johnson said. “He is a phenomenal talent that had, as many quarterbacks do, an up-and-down rookie year. Where I see my role is as a supporter of him.”

Ben Johnson ready to build Bears offense around Caleb Williams: ‘He is a phenomenal talent’

Caleb is the reason the Bears were able to get the top coaching candidate of the last two cycles.
 

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that team is hungry and that Eagles team looked pretty mortal last week. I mean if the Commanders can wreck the Lions at home I think anything is possible. a Commanders/Bills Super Bowl sounds great. should be an entertaining weekend of football permitting the Chiefs don't ref their way to winning again.
Jalen Hurts is injured. He’s going to be one dimensional and he’s not a great passer even when healthy. I doubt he’ll be a threat to run.

Washington has a fantastic chance to win this game. Also, Philadelphia lost Mitchell and his backup last week. If neither can play, there will be a 3rd string CB on Dyami Brown. Brown has played well recently and it could be a matchup to exploit.
 

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Jalen Hurts is injured. He’s going to be one dimensional and he’s not a great passer even when healthy. I doubt he’ll be a threat to run.

Washington has a fantastic chance to win this game. Also, Philadelphia lost Mitchell and his backup last week. If neither can play, there will be a 3rd string CB on Dyami Brown. Brown has played well recently and it could be a matchup to exploit.
yeah I was going to comment that Hurts is like a 3 legged rocking horse. lol

game against the Rams probably would've ended different had it not turned into a snowy playground game

also something I found in my travels today

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I guess the punchline is that you are so clueless you don't even know what you are responding to. Daniels is having one of the greatest rookie seasons in NFL history. To characterize Caleb's numbers as being "not quite" as good as Daniels' is like saying D'andre Swift's numbers 'aren't quite' as good as Josh Jacobs'.
You obviously failed English as a student if that's your take away. I feel bad for you.

You made it sound as if I said CW's season was as good as JD's. Shame.
 

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