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A very well thought out and respectful post.. You made a good point, and you did it very well
A much needed bit of class to these boards
Congrats dabears70
A very well thought out and respectful post.. You made a good point, and you did it very well
A much needed bit of class to these boards
Congrats dabears70
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I am still waiting on an objective source to support the idea that Lance Briggs sucked on the filed last year. This just seems like Bears fan Urban Legend that is being quoted as an undeniable fact.
Again not claiming PFF is right but I don't see any evidence that Lance actually sucked on the field from anyone besides because I said so. Everyone just seems to be bringing up the off the field stuff and assuming that because of it, it means he sucked on the field.
Again not claiming PFF is right but I don't see any evidence that Lance actually sucked on the field from anyone besides because I said so. Everyone just seems to be bringing up the off the field stuff and assuming that because of it, it means he sucked on the field.
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My apologies, if I continue with this line of questioning this will turn into a Cutler thread, and nobody wants that. I will drop it and I am sure at least some will see the point.
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Fuck Briggs. We're not going to get better by keeping old, slow, fat, injury prone guys who undermine the coaches. He had a good run but it's time to move on. He obviously checked out after Lovie was fired. He also failed at taking over the leadership role after Urlacher was gone.
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I didn't need a service to tell me that. When Briggs was active and playing, he was all over the field like a lunatic. Because he opened up a restaurant, some people were blind to his efforts. He played great when healthy last year, in fact we had some very good defensive efforts last year. The D was just not prepared to play against the better offenses which totally destroyed them and devastated the otherwise very good stats in the other games.
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Brigg's isn't under contract. Cutler is. I'm sure Fox will set the tone for the team and own the locker room which has been lost for some time under Trestman. But, they won't be bringing in Brigg's.
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Again this is opinion supported by nothing except "because I told you so." You are free to have that opinion. I just don't find it very compelling hence why I said I will let Fox and Fangio decide.
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Who else did you think would? Maybe Pace the GM?
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Briggs has absolutely no value to the team.
I was all for bringing 54 back, because even though his physical skills diminished he was still smart and could still call the defense.
Briggs can't even do that.
I was all for bringing 54 back, because even though his physical skills diminished he was still smart and could still call the defense.
Briggs can't even do that.
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a player that only played in half of the last two seasons. Bears don't need that, they need someone who can play every game.
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If he shows up in shape, with the right attitude then the Bears have a player that has experience and can help while a young guy is not thrown to the wolves to learn. If he doesn't, then they cut bait during training camp and go in a different direction.
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which begs the question, why would he get in shape if there is no guarantee of a contract? he's done, let it go. Holy crap the Bears fans and their attachments to players without contracts.
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As you would say, please research and cite examples. Or is this just a Remypinion, stated as Remyfactual.
To my recollection, I have never heard a player say I slept in meetings or bolted on the team, other than Briggs, let alone, "all the time dude"
Edit: One other. There was the Dez Bryant walk out with 30 seconds left, but people think he is a warrior.
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My point is that you guys are going on and on as if Fox and Fangio would never consider bringing Briggs back because he is just so atrocious despite not having anything to back that up besides your own opinion.
Statements like the below give the impression that you somehow know what Fox and Fangio are thinking when all you are doing is simply speculating.
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and you're going on and on like they would. What the hell is the difference?
BTW, I'm assuming the new coaching staff is bright, and there is no win situation in doing it. statistically speaking it brings them nothing.
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I already gave examples to Fatbabies. Corey Dillion, LeGarrette Blount, and Randy Moss were all said to have quit on their teams and they all ended up playing well under Bellichek.
And I have never seen someone who did all the things you note and still end up playing better than just about every defender on the the team. The only players that graded out higher than Briggs are Ratliff and Paea. Again, what does that say about the rest of the team that a supposedly fat, slow, and quitter Briggs still outperformed damn near everyone on the D?
Again don't know if PFF is right or full or shit. I just know I trust their independent view more than I do Bears fans with no clue. Again, I will see what Fox and Fangio have to say on the matter.
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Objective source? There is only one objective way of evaluating a linebacker played. Tackles: 24/10-worst (total and average), sacks-0 worst, passes defended-3 worst, interceptions-1, games played-8 worst.
What do you have to objectively support it wasn't his worst year and a poor year by LB standards?
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No actually I am not. I am making no statement as to whether Fox or Fangio sign or no sign Briggs. I am saying your claim that it's a forgone conclusion is premature. I have consistently said, I will let them decide because I can see conflicting information out there regarding his actual performance which means I am in no real position to conclude one way or the other.
So no, I don't know what Fox and Fangio are going to do. However, I don't think you have a clue either despite all you statements to the contrary.
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So your all the time is three guys you say quit. You ask for objective rebuttals to your opinion and PFF opinions, as if anything you say has been spoken into truth unless factually refuted. You are one funny egotistical whack.
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Lol, so you think when scouts and coaches evaluate LBs those are the only things they look at? Your argument makes little sense. You and I both know that traditional stats are not the only way players are evaluated. Hell NFL teams even differ on how they record tackles. I am pretty sure John Fox and Vic Fangio will look at the tape and make an evaluation.
And I already told you my support. He graded out as the 3rd best defender on the Bears this year and by far the best LB. It's objective because the people that made that determination have no affiliation to anyone here currently discussing Briggs. Doesn't mean they are right but that is the context that the term objective is used in.