Brilliant comment of the day

[Boobaby1]

Cubs GM Jed Hoyer gave manager Dale Sveum his vote of confidence Tuesday, MLB.com's Carrie Muskat reports.

"We’re all in this together," says Hoyer. "We’ve struggled, it’s been painful to watch because we keep on squandering leads. That’s on Theo and that’s on me. We have to figure out ways to get better. We’re not the most talented team in the league right now." The Cubs are currently 5-13.

 

[Boobaby1]

Figure out ways to get better? You mean you didn't know how do get better going into this year and needing to address all avenues on this team?

Hell, this board could tell the Cubs how to get better, and we wouldn't charge them a GM fee either.

 

[nwfisch]

The problem I and I think most of us have is that the Cubs really didn't make an effort to get better at the MLB level this year. Sure there is some risk of losing draft picks, etc. in signing free agents, but there wasn't an effort made to get in on the Hamiltons and Greinkes. They signed career 4/5 starters to contracts, including Jackson for 4 years. To me, I don't consider that a fair effort to make the MLB team better.

 

[zack54attack]

Here's a way to get better: Get a bullpen that can actually hold a lead.



Just a thought.

 

[Boobaby1]

The problem I and I think most of us have is that the Cubs really didn't make an effort to get better at the MLB level this year. Sure there is some risk of losing draft picks, etc. in signing free agents, but there wasn't an effort made to get in on the Hamiltons and Greinkes. They signed career 4/5 starters to contracts, including Jackson for 4 years. To me, I don't consider that a fair effort to make the MLB team better.

Exactly. It's pretty easy to pitch around the Cubs power since there are only two of them. That should have been a main emphasis too and not just adding depth to the staff.

I think all of us just want to see them take positions and put the best player there and then move on to the next issue at hand. All the while, they could still be developing the farm.

It would be a lot easier to stomach if they even decided to flip Villanueva for good prospects at the deadline if they had a Sanchez and Hamilton, or a Greinke and Swisher on the team currently.

This "throw it to the wall and see what sticks" attitude has grown real old quickly.

 

[nwfisch]

Exactly. It's pretty easy to pitch around the Cubs power since there are only two of them. That should have been a main emphasis too and not just adding depth to the staff.

I think all of us just want to see them take positions and put the best player there and then move on to the next issue at hand. All the while, they could still be developing the farm.

It would be a lot easier to stomach if they even decided to flip Villanueva for good prospects at the deadline if they had a Sanchez and Hamilton, or a Greinke and Swisher on the team currently.

This "throw it to the wall and see what sticks" attitude has grown real old quickly.

I love how Theo said there was noone to spend money on...yet the Angels didn't have a problem spending money on the best hitter of the past decade and a 2 time MVP to complement Trout.

Again, if they fall short on acquiring those players, I can't really fault them terribly much, though there has to be a point where they have to bring results home, GMs shouldn't get credit for trying.

 

[Chris J]

Why sign Josh Hamilton? One or two players do not win a championship. Even if they just went nuts and signed Hamilton and Grienke, they still wouldnt be a favorite. Theo and Jed know that the team is not ready to compete yet so why waste money on a player that will be out of his prime by the time the Cubs are ready to contend.

Idk why everyone thinks they should be contending already. Stockpile on players that will be entering their prime when the team is contending. not players that will be in their mid 30s when the team stars winning

 

[nwfisch]

Why sign Josh Hamilton? One or two players do not win a championship. Even if they just went nuts and signed Hamilton and Grienke, they still wouldnt be a favorite. Theo and Jed know that the team is not ready to compete yet so why waste money on a player that will be out of his prime by the time the Cubs are ready to contend.

Idk why everyone thinks they should be contending already. Stockpile on players that will be entering their prime when the team is contending. not players that will be in their mid 30s when the team stars winning

So like Edwin Jackson and Matt Garza?

Heck Starlin Castro appears to be fitting this mold as well. If fans and Theo are willing to take a leap of faith with prospects, they should be just as willing to take leaps of faith for all-stars and MVPs.

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

Why sign Josh Hamilton? One or two players do not win a championship. Even if they just went nuts and signed Hamilton and Grienke, they still wouldnt be a favorite. Theo and Jed know that the team is not ready to compete yet so why waste money on a player that will be out of his prime by the time the Cubs are ready to contend.

Idk why everyone thinks they should be contending already. Stockpile on players that will be entering their prime when the team is contending. not players that will be in their mid 30s when the team stars winning

This is a great example of lack of reading comprehension.

Who said anything about contending already? I know it is tough for some to understand English, but, we are talking about a GM that will build the major league club and the farm system so we can build a consistent winner. Everyone knows with the crap we have right now we aren't contending for anything. But we aren't even competitive either and this is year 2 of the JedStein era. We lost 101 games last year...are they trying to lose more?

You need bonafide talent to build on. Hamilton and Grienke would have been something to build on. In year 2, and we are still waiting to build on something.

You do understand how to rebuild a team right? You do understand that a GM's job is to win right? Not tank season after season and lose.

 

[Chris J]

Josh Hamilton would not have been something to build on. We would have to sign him until hes 40 and then in 2 years when he starts going downhill, everyone will complain about how we shouldnt have spend that much money on Hamilton.
I understand a GM's job is to win. Thats why Theo and Jed are planning on doing. This is what the Cubs knew what would happen. You cant rebuild and be a winning ball club, so do YOU understand how to rebuild?

It was clear from day 1 of "Jedstein Era" that the Cubs would suck for a few years. And basically i dont give a shit. There's a plan in place by two men who know a lot about baseball. What's the point of winning 85 games and missing the playoffs? There is non... so stop complaining and let them do their job.

 

[patg006]

I understand a GM's job is to win. Thats why Theo and Jed are planning on doing. This is what the Cubs knew what would happen. You cant rebuild and be a winning ball club, so do YOU understand how to rebuild?

It was clear from day 1 of "Jedstein Era" that the Cubs would suck for a few years. And basically i dont give a shit. There's a plan in place by two men who know a lot about baseball. What's the point of winning 85 games and missing the playoffs? There is non... so stop complaining and let them do their job.

Ask the St. Louis cardinals about rebuilding and being a winning ball club; they made the playoffs last year without Pujols, and Carpenter for 4/5 of the year. But that little bit doesnt fit the agenda, does it?

You dont give a shit about the cubs sucking. Fine. Some of us do. Some of us want to see that little BOTH thing you are incapable of comprehending where they build and stock the farm and buy quality FA to make the team competitive. Salami, Boyd, AF, BWW and I will have to start a christmas tradition of a Webster's dictionary instead of a card; because clearly you cant understand kindergarten level nomenclature.

What plan is this? The one that was ready by 2014 now were looking at 2016? That doesnt sound like much of a plan when the crown jewel 6th overall pick you probably :fap: to on an hourly basis is sitting on his ass.......

This team has no rudder or sails. Its going nowhere.......and sooner or later, youre gonna have to wisen up and notice. Or dont.......not sure you get the kindergarten concept of 'naptime' either.

85 wins and missing the playoffs has you closer than 65 wins and missing the playoffs. It means you need a piece or two to change, not 9/10 of the entire team.

 

[Chris J]

The Cardinals didnt have to rebuild like the Cubs had to because they still had plenty of pieces still in place. They still had all stars in Matt Holiday and Adam Wainright. David Freese was coming off his great postseason. Allen Craig had established himself when Pujols was still on the team. And Loshe had bee in St. Louis for a while. The Cardinals did not rebuild.

Maybe if youre such a genius you should go get into baseball then. apply for the Cubs internship and youll be so impressive that youll have a GM job in no time.

The Cubs never gave a time frame of when they would be competitive. They have a year in mind but they wont say it. Of course they want it to be soon. But they cant control some things. They cant magically heal Almora, they cant heal Garza. Heck if Garza didnt get hurt, we might have Olt or some other top prospect right now.

You simply dont understand the process in place here. If you dont like it, go root for someone else. The Nationals rebuilt from the ground up. The sucked for so many years, got great draft picks, and now they went form trash to playoffs. I dont hear anyone in Washington complaining about the way they rebuilt the team.

The team is clearly going somewhere thats way all BA and Keith Law have the cubs system rated in the top 10. And yea i dont have a kidnergaten naptime because im in fucking preschool you dipshit.

 

[KBisBack!]

Stockpile on players that will be entering their prime when the team is contending. not players that will be in their mid 30s when the team stars winning

So sit back and do absolutely nothing to make the major league team better until the farm system delivers an entire core of a team to the major league level at the same time??

That could take 20 years to happen.

Great plan.

 

[KBisBack!]

Josh Hamilton would not have been something to build on.

So one of the premier sluggers in the game and a former MVP is not something to build from, but a bunch of unproven minor league players who individually have about a 20% of becoming even an above average major league player is something to build on??

Wow, congratulations on saying one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

What's the point of winning 85 games and missing the playoffs? There is non... so stop complaining and let them do their job.

What's the point of losing 100 games so you can pick a player that will become a quality major league player 20% of the time?

There is none.

I'd rather see the team win 85-90 games, miss the playoffs and still be able to pick a player that has a 20% of becoming a quality major league player.

How unreasonable.

 

[nwfisch]

The Cardinals didnt have to rebuild like the Cubs had to because they still had plenty of pieces still in place. They still had all stars in Matt Holiday and Adam Wainright. David Freese was coming off his great postseason. Allen Craig had established himself when Pujols was still on the team. And Loshe had bee in St. Louis for a while. The Cardinals did not rebuild.

Maybe if youre such a genius you should go get into baseball then. apply for the Cubs internship and youll be so impressive that youll have a GM job in no time.

The Cubs never gave a time frame of when they would be competitive. They have a year in mind but they wont say it. Of course they want it to be soon. But they cant control some things. They cant magically heal Almora, they cant heal Garza. Heck if Garza didnt get hurt, we might have Olt or some other top prospect right now.

You simply dont understand the process in place here. If you dont like it, go root for someone else. The Nationals rebuilt from the ground up. The sucked for so many years, got great draft picks, and now they went form trash to playoffs. I dont hear anyone in Washington complaining about the way they rebuilt the team.

The team is clearly going somewhere thats way all BA and Keith Law have the cubs system rated in the top 10. And yea i dont have a kidnergaten naptime because im in fucking preschool you dipshit.

No, but the Nationals did spend money on proven players at some point. Granted Werth is overpaid, but at least he's proven. Theo can buy lottery tickets, and that's fine but all people ask for is that he gives the MLB club a fighting chance.

 

[KBisBack!]

You simply dont understand the process in place here.

You simply don't understand baseball.

If you dont like it, go root for someone else.

What are you, like 5?

The Nationals rebuilt from the ground up. The sucked for so many years, got great draft picks, and now they went form trash to playoffs. I dont hear anyone in Washington complaining about the way they rebuilt the team.

The also didn't sit around and just hope the prospects panned out.

They went out an spent big money on Jayson Werth. They signed Adam LaRoche. They traded for Gio Gonzalez.

They also got very, very lucky to being picking first in back to back years with probably the two best prospects of the last decade there for them to pick #1.

Go ask the Chiefs how picking #1 tomorrow night is so great in a top weak draft.

But you just go right ahead and think that sucking until you get lucky enough to have two franchise players available in back to back years is a great plan.

 

[Chris J]

They signed Werth and Gio when they knew they were ready to contend. Exactly my point. And no Im sorry Josh Hamilton is not someone I want to build the Cubs team around. He is 32 and will be 34/35 when Cubs are starting to contend. Spending $150 million on a player that is 32 is not how you rebuild a team smart one.

Dont compare NFL and MLB drafts.

 

[Boobaby1]

The Cardinals didnt have to rebuild like the Cubs had to because they still had plenty of pieces still in place. They still had all stars in Matt Holiday and Adam Wainright. David Freese was coming off his great postseason. Allen Craig had established himself when Pujols was still on the team. And Loshe had bee in St. Louis for a while. The Cardinals did not rebuild.

Maybe if youre such a genius you should go get into baseball then. apply for the Cubs internship and youll be so impressive that youll have a GM job in no time.

The Cubs never gave a time frame of when they would be competitive. They have a year in mind but they wont say it. Of course they want it to be soon. But they cant control some things. They cant magically heal Almora, they cant heal Garza. Heck if Garza didnt get hurt, we might have Olt or some other top prospect right now.

You simply dont understand the process in place here. If you dont like it, go root for someone else. The Nationals rebuilt from the ground up. The sucked for so many years, got great draft picks, and now they went form trash to playoffs. I dont hear anyone in Washington complaining about the way they rebuilt the team.

The team is clearly going somewhere thats way all BA and Keith Law have the cubs system rated in the top 10. And yea i dont have a kidnergaten naptime because im in fucking preschool you dipshit.

Ummmm! The Cardinals did rebuild. They re-built back when they signed Mark McGwire (FA) in 97' when the Cardinals went 3 straight years of finishing 3rd in the division or worse. They traded Drew (FA) for Marquis and a guy named Wainright. They signed Larry Walker (FA), Reggie Sanders (FA), traded for Rolen and Edmonds, took a chance that paid off with Carpenter. Then had the fluke of the century in Albert Pujols fall into their hands.

Of course, no one will admit on the "slurpe-de-jour" campaign that they bought most the team, creatively traded, and got extremely fortunate first, and then developed players like Craig, Jay, Molina, Rosenthal, Motte, Miller, and soon to be Taveras. It's a lot easier to say they built it from the ground up which clearly they didn't.

BTW, the current GM also flipped Jim Edmonds (FA) to the Padres for a guy named David Freese.

 

[brett05]

What's the point of winning 85 games and missing the playoffs? There is non... so stop complaining and let them do their job.

Uhm, the Cubs lay in the NL Central. 85 wins could nab the division, or one of the two wild cards in the NL.

 

[Chris J]

umm 85 wins will not ban the Central this year.

And listen to what you guys are saying. they traded Edmonds for a prospect. Thats what Theo has been doing. Trading for prospects. They signed guys when they were ready to contend. The Cubs will take a shot to get Price, trust me. They will start signing when the team is ready.