Brilliant comment of the day

[nwfisch]

Uh what

We know you're a Cardinal fan FT.

I have proof

 

[Boobaby1]

Brillant as always that is why starting pitchers make a fourth of position players.

Alright. I must be really tired. The comparison was Jackson's 12 million to Hamiltons 25 million. Am I missing something?

 

[dabynsky]

Alright. I must be really tired. The comparison was Jackson's 12 million to Hamiltons 25 million. Am I missing something?

The point you seemed to make is that the Cubs should have spent on Hamilton because he plays in four times the games. The logic fails when you look at market prices for position players compared to pitchers and see that they don't make a fourth of position players.

 

[patg006]

35 fucking years old Carlos Beltran? That was the big time free agent in the 2012 offseason? He got the biggest deal? Give me one year that the Cardinals went out and signed the premier free agent available in that offseason.

Matt Holliday and Wainwright signed deals so they didnt become premier free agents

Then why sign anyone this year? They spent more than half of the teams in baseball on major league payroll. That is about the only figure that we can reasonably confident in given everything else is just guesswork, like the Forbes figure.

To look slightly competitive in a shit division.

Wow you see a shit major league team.

You see roses?

You see undisciplined batters? Why what fucking scouting because I've seen undisciplined hitters for the past decade and beyond from this organiztion.[/QUOTE

And your butt buddy theo's best way to figure it out was to hire Rob Deer. .220 hitting, 1475 career strikeouts hired to teach plate discipline.

But nope, that doesnt fit your agenda.

And the bullpen is bad. Yeah that is shocking given the fact that relievers not named Mariano Rivera tend to fluctuate between being good and bad. I'll admit that I thought that the bullpen would be better this year. I was wrong on that count. I bought into Marmol's second half, Camp's season, and Fujikawa's NPB numbers and scouting. That hasn't worked out, but it isn't exactly shocking either. Theo's front office is hardly the first front office to build a bad bullpen, and the team's that have consistently built good bullpens are few and far between.

And board members and I provided easy, cheaper solutions then the Asian sensations. Matt Lindstrom, Brandon Lyon. 2.1 million and 750K.

Whoops. Slurp on

By whom? Who told you when this would go away? The quotes I've read from Theo has been that there is no timeline and there are no shortcuts. Allen Craig is exactly the fucking point your side wants to continue to ignore. Allen Craig was an eighth round pick and Albert Pujols was a 13th round pick. Good scouting and development are important, and the moves that you and others have suggested limit the number of those chances whether you want to acknowledge that is important or not.

So theres no timeline for your butt buddy you passionately defend to turn the 3rd best revenue in major league baseball from the outhouse to the penthouse. Oh boy! :fap:

I dont ignore good scouting. I pay attention to statistics that tell me how often great players stick after being a lottery ticket.

 

[Boobaby1]

The point you seemed to make is that the Cubs should have spent on Hamilton because he plays in four times the games. The logic fails when you look at market prices for position players compared to pitchers and see that they don't make a fourth of position players.

So the market price for Swisher was 12 million, and the market price for Jackson was 12 million. The market price for Sanchez , Greinke, and Lohse versus position players is 1/4th?

Also, the point I am making is that if you are going to spend money, and many, many people have stated to why spend dollars on a team that isn't going to compete, and I stated then why did they spend money on Jackson? And if you are going to spend money on Jackson by not competing, why don't they spend "Hamilton Type" money on the Cubs.

By that I mean that they could have had once again, a Swisher type, a Youkilis type, a Schierholtz, and a trade of Marmol for Haren. Wouldn't that have seemingly made this Cubs team a whole lot different? At least on paper it would.

To have a line-up of DeJesus, Castro, Swisher, Rizzo, Youkilis, Soriano, Castillo, and Barney to me would have been an attempt to field a ball club and not break the bank, plus they could have had Schierholtz on the bench, no Stewart, and the fact that they traded for Haren would have meant the need to not sign one of Feldman or Baker.

I believe this is all of what some of us are asking for. I understand all of the need to beef up the minors for the gazillionth time, I understand the draft and developement, but I don't understand how a team like Boston can completely gut a team in one year, make a few but not blockbuster moves, and have their team in first place and it happens because they tried. Does that mean they will stay there? No!

The Cubs however aren't trying and to that their is no debate in my opinion.

 

[Boobaby1]

Matt Holliday and Wainwright signed deals so they didnt become premier free agents




To look slightly competitive in a shit division.



You see roses?

You see undisciplined batters? Why what fucking scouting because I've seen undisciplined hitters for the past decade and beyond from this organiztion.[/QUOTE

And your butt buddy theo's best way to figure it out was to hire Rob Deer. .220 hitting, 1475 career strikeouts hired to teach plate discipline.

But nope, that doesnt fit your agenda.



And board members and I provided easy, cheaper solutions then the Asian sensations. Matt Lindstrom, Brandon Lyon. 2.1 million and 750K.

Whoops. Slurp on



So theres no timeline for your butt buddy you passionately defend to turn the 3rd best revenue in major league baseball from the outhouse to the penthouse. Oh boy! :fap:

I dont ignore good scouting. I pay attention to statistics that tell me how often great players stick after being a lottery ticket.

And the Cubs have signed how many premier free agents for a large market team? That was Soriano and their were reasons behind it. Let's also not hide the fact that the Cardinals were going to pony up nearly 200 million and 8-9 years for Pujols had the Halos not stepped in or am I wrong on that one too.

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

The Cubs however aren't trying and to that their is no debate in my opinion.

That is because you see the forest for the trees.

Nobody on here is saying that we should go out and buy a team of top FA's. Nobody.

But, if we would have added a piece or maybe two last season. And maybe another piece or two this season, we would be seeing improvement. We would be seeing management saying that they are looking and trying to improve while actually doing it.

But, to not add these pieces....while some think they are is downright laughable!

It's not debatable to me either and that is because we have sat through two offseasons now and not one building piece. Of course, some will say that the SS with the most errors and sub .300/limited power guy is one and the other plays a premier position with a sub .200 average. These are side pieces/bench pieces. These are not what you build a team around....unless of course you want to lose.....again.

 

[FirstTimer]

That is because you see the forest for the trees.

Nobody on here is saying that we should go out and buy a team of top FA's. Nobody.

But, if we would have added a piece or maybe two last season. And maybe another piece or two this season, we would be seeing improvement. We would be seeing management saying that they are looking and trying to improve while actually doing it.

But, to not add these pieces....while some think they are is downright laughable!

It's not debatable to me either and that is because we have sat through two offseasons now and not one building piece. Of course, some will say that the SS with the most errors and sub .300/limited power guy is one and the other plays a premier position with a sub .200 average. These are side pieces/bench pieces. These are not what you build a team around....unless of course you want to lose.....again.

Except that when you look at the lengths of the contracts and ages of the guys being mentioned above you'd "see improvement" but it would be for two year bursts and not anything really meaningful because those guys aren't going to get better, they are going to age and retire and you're still basically waiting for those young kids to come along and develop to make the real sustained improvement. You're basically wanting to sign and trade for some aged dudes so you can win 81 games and miss the playoffs for a couple years so you can sleep better at night while the Baez's, Soler's etc work their way up. Just kind of a pointless exercise IMO.

You're basically adding those pieces for no real purpose in the scope of the goal being winning a WS. That's why I hated the Jackson signing. Just didn't seem to serve a real purpose of any kind relative to the larger long term organizational goal.

 

[BearsWillWin]

You're basically wanting to sign and trade for some aged dudes so you can win 81 games and miss the playoffs for a couple years so you can sleep better at night while the Baez's, Soler's etc work their way up. Just kind of a pointless exercise IMO

So instead you should field shitty players and win 60 games and wait on players who might never develop or bust once they get to the majors?

 

[nwfisch]

So instead you should field shitty players and win 60 games and wait on players who might never develop or bust once they get to the majors?

Just ignore the Cardinal fan. He wants the Cubs to keep losing.

I think this is FirstTimer.

 

[Boobaby1]

Except that when you look at the lengths of the contracts and ages of the guys being mentioned above you'd "see improvement" but it would be for two year bursts and not anything really meaningful because those guys aren't going to get better, they are going to age and retire and you're still basically waiting for those young kids to come along and develop to make the real sustained improvement. You're basically wanting to sign and trade for some aged dudes so you can win 81 games and miss the playoffs for a couple years so you can sleep better at night while the Baez's, Soler's etc work their way up. Just kind of a pointless exercise IMO.

You're basically adding those pieces for no real purpose in the scope of the goal being winning a WS. That's why I hated the Jackson signing. Just didn't seem to serve a real purpose of any kind relative to the larger long term organizational goal.

Oh, it served a purpose. It sent a message to some of the fans that they are trying to improve the team. That's why they went hard after Sanchez, and then signed Jackson. If they had made no moves, the fans would have been irate.

This is why they will probably bring in a position player in the offseason of substance. It keeps the fans hushed up for a while longer. You don't think they would be stupid enough to just tell everyone that they are throwing away seasons to build up the minor league system do you?

They have to market their strategy until it comes to fruition. However long that takes.

 

[FirstTimer]

Oh, it served a purpose. It sent a message to some of the fans that they are trying to improve the team. That's why they went hard after Sanchez, and then signed Jackson. If they had made no moves, the fans would have been irate.

Honestly..if that's the reason for the signing. Epstein should be fired tomorrow.

**** the fans. Epstein should be building this team and signing guys based on nothing more than getting the team to where it needs to be over the long haul. Not signing Edwin Jackson so some fan isn't upset.

You don't think they would be stupid enough to just tell everyone that they are throwing away seasons to build up the minor league system do you?

They pretty much have.

Hell, he was saying a few weeks ago the amount of wins the team gets this year essentially doesn't matter. Something along the lines of to them there's no difference between 70 wins and 75 wins or some shit.

 

[BearsWillWin]

I changed my mind because I thought to myself "the Cubs are trying to improve the team".

I own some beach front property in Arizona..........you interested in buying it? I'll sell it cheap.

 

[BearsWillWin]

Don't know who's the bigger dummy...the guy who makes the dumbass posting, or the guy who thanks it.

FirstTimer is definitely the bigger dummy for thanking your post.

But the post itself was quite dumb. Second place isn't bad.

 

[nwfisch]

Don't know who's the bigger dummy...the guy who makes the dumbass posting, or the guy who thanks it.

Boo hoo.

Are your feathers sensered?

 

[dabears253313]

You mean like Ben McDonald, Felix Pie, Corey Patterson? Guys like that?

Hey now, Corey Patterson was an MVP candidate in 2003 before he tore his ACL (which pretty much ruined his career.)

 

[Jntg4]

Boo hoo.

Are your feathers sensered?

Fisch, we know you love this influx of stupidity so you can have people who don't know you're a complete troll by virtue of them agreeing with you.

 

[mountsalami]

Fisch, we know you love this influx of stupidity so you can have people who don't know you're a complete troll by virtue of them agreeing with you.

That's not nice J. You should be above that kind of behavior.

 

[Jntg4]

That's not nice J. You should be above that kind of behavior.

K, nice location under your join date by the way haha