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[Boobaby1]

They signed Werth and Gio when they knew they were ready to contend. Exactly my point. And no Im sorry Josh Hamilton is not someone I want to build the Cubs team around. He is 32 and will be 34/35 when Cubs are starting to contend. Spending $150 million on a player that is 32 is not how you rebuild a team smart one.

Dont compare NFL and MLB drafts.

And how do you build around a player like Jackson and pay him 52 million for 4 years as a #4-#5 man in any good rotation and call that money well spent? It appears that he wont be around either when they are ready to contend.

They could have had Swisher, Youkilis, Schierholtz, and Haren all for 25 million (Hamilton money) and a trade of Marmol.

Nah! That team wouldn't be any better though because we all know that there are never surprises of teams that get the right players, mesh well together and suddenly make the playoffs.

 

[Boobaby1]

umm 85 wins will not ban the Central this year.

And listen to what you guys are saying. they traded Edmonds for a prospect. Thats what Theo has been doing. Trading for prospects. They signed guys when they were ready to contend. The Cubs will take a shot to get Price, trust me. They will start signing when the team is ready.

Do you think the Cubs are the only team that will be courting David Price? And what will it cost to not only get him, but how far back will it once again set the farm back? If you don't think for a minute that it would cost the Cubs Baez and their #2 pick at least this year, you're nuts.

Look what it took to get Garza?

 

[Flacco4Prez]

The Cubs need to do more but I don't think they should spend on the big names quite yet. They do have a great young core in the minors but even assuming they all pan out and reach their potential (a big if) they are still 3 years away). I do like the signing of Jackson and if you recall they did go after Sanchez till the final hours. My biggest issue was them not upgrading the 3B position. I know Youk probably did not want to come to the Cubs given his age and number of years left in the league, but nonetheless an upgrade should have been made. They should have looked into Greinke however. If they weren't afraid of losing their draft pick they would have probably landed Bourn .

But we can't be tanking year in and year out. What happens if we miss on one of our picks? Is that just a completely lost year?

 

[Chris J]

Yea I know theyre going to have to give up Baez or Almora. Thats why they are stockpiling on prospects. Sometimes you need some lower level prospects to develop great and breakout. Like rock Shoulder and Alcantara. But im assuming you guys dont know who they are.

They took a shot with Edwin Jackson. The price of pitching was high. give him a four year deal and if he performs well, his trade value increases big time because he is locked up.

 

[Boobaby1]

The Cubs need to do more but I don't think they should spend on the big names quite yet. They do have a great young core in the minors but even assuming they all pan out and reach their potential (a big if) they are still 3 years away). I do like the signing of Jackson and if you recall they did go after Sanchez till the final hours. My biggest issue was them not upgrading the 3B position. I know Youk probably did not want to come to the Cubs given his age and number of years left in the league, but nonetheless an upgrade should have been made. They should have looked into Greinke however. If they weren't afraid of losing their draft pick they would have probably landed Bourn .

But we can't be tanking year in and year out. What happens if we miss on one of our picks? Is that just a completely lost year?

You mean like Ben McDonald, Felix Pie, Corey Patterson? Guys like that?

 

[patg006]

The Cardinals didnt have to rebuild like the Cubs had to because they still had plenty of pieces still in place. They still had all stars in Matt Holiday and Adam Wainright. David Freese was coming off his great postseason. Allen Craig had established himself when Pujols was still on the team. And Loshe had bee in St. Louis for a while. The Cardinals did not rebuild.

Maybe if youre such a genius you should go get into baseball then. apply for the Cubs internship and youll be so impressive that youll have a GM job in no time.

The Cubs never gave a time frame of when they would be competitive. They have a year in mind but they wont say it. Of course they want it to be soon. But they cant control some things. They cant magically heal Almora, they cant heal Garza. Heck if Garza didnt get hurt, we might have Olt or some other top prospect right now.

You simply dont understand the process in place here. If you dont like it, go root for someone else. The Nationals rebuilt from the ground up. The sucked for so many years, got great draft picks, and now they went form trash to playoffs. I dont hear anyone in Washington complaining about the way they rebuilt the team.

The team is clearly going somewhere thats way all BA and Keith Law have the cubs system rated in the top 10. And yea i dont have a kidnergaten naptime because im in fucking preschool you dipshit.

And let me know, you special little wizard......

Where did Eckstein come from? Wainwright? Larry Walker? Edmonds? Rolen? Carpenter? Beltran? Isringhausen, Freese, Lohse, pretty much every major cog of that team not Pujols or Yadier Molina the last decade come from?

Oh, not sitting on their asses waiting to strike it big in the lottery? Buying players? Trading for players? Doing what smart teams do? Doing that both thing?

Clearly, I have exausted your extent of common sense......

 

[Chris J]

And just think about things: If they traded Baez, Vogelbach, and lets say like Dillion Maples or Pierce Johnson. You have Price and Shark at the top. The Cubs will draft Appel or Gray, they are both seniors so they will be in the majors quickly. Then you can look for 4&5 pitchers. Maybe thats Edwin Jackson, Travis Wood, or someone other guys. Thats a solid rotation

 

[Chris J]

No you are making my point, you sign guys when you are ready to contend. not rebuilding

 

[Boobaby1]

Yea I know theyre going to have to give up Baez or Almora. Thats why they are stockpiling on prospects. Sometimes you need some lower level prospects to develop great and breakout. Like rock Shoulder and Alcantara. But im assuming you guys dont know who they are.

They took a shot with Edwin Jackson. The price of pitching was high. give him a four year deal and if he performs well, his trade value increases big time because he is locked up.

I know exactly who they are and Tampa would laugh at a deal with one of our best and Rock Shoulders and/or Alcantara. It took how many top prospects out of the system to land Garza. Do you think that the GM isn't going to want close to or ready made talent and a lot of it for his services?

The favored team to get Price if they want him would be the Cardinals. They could send them Oscar Taveras and Trevor Rosenthal if you know who those guys are and not miss a beat and have Shelby Miller, Price, Wainright, Lynn, and Garcia in the rotation.

 

[patg006]

The team is clearly going somewhere thats way all BA and Keith Law have the cubs system rated in the top 10. And yea i dont have a kidnergaten naptime because im in fucking preschool you dipshit.

Uh oh; Keith Law says its true guys, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Because hes never been wrong before.......especially about Chris Sale

:enough:

 

[FirstTimer]

Ummmm! The Cardinals did rebuild. They re-built back when they signed Mark McGwire (FA) in 97' when the Cardinals went 3 straight years of finishing 3rd in the division or worse. They traded Drew (FA) for Marquis and a guy named Wainright. They signed Larry Walker (FA), Reggie Sanders (FA), traded for Rolen and Edmonds, took a chance that paid off with Carpenter. Then had the fluke of the century in Albert Pujols fall into their hands.

Of course, no one will admit on the "slurpe-de-jour" campaign that they bought most the team, creatively traded, and got extremely fortunate first, and then developed players like Craig, Jay, Molina, Rosenthal, Motte, Miller, and soon to be Taveras. It's a lot easier to say they built it from the ground up which clearly they didn't.

BTW, the current GM also flipped Jim Edmonds (FA) to the Padres for a guy named David Freese.

The Cardinals traded for McGwire(using three pitching prospects) and didn't even make the playoffs with him until he was in his final two seasons.

The Cardinals traded for Larry Walker as well who was 37 years old. Giving up some minor league specs and even at that point Walker was an add in to an already ready to win team and an organization that had made the playoffs 3 or 4 times in the last 5 seasons. Walker was a welcome surprise and icing on the cake during his time in St Louis. He wasn't the MVP player from the late 90's. He was a dude chasing a ring. The Cubs aren't in that position to get a guy like that. Sanders was a 36 year old guy chasing a ring. The Cardinals gave up a top 100 spec to get Edmonds. In the Rolen deal they gave up Mike Timlin, a young Placido Palanco, and a pitching prospect in Bud Smith who was 22 years old. Again though adding Rolen and Edmonds weren't really "rebuilding" moves, they were taking accumulated assets on solid/good teams and moving them for better/proven MLB talent. The Cubs aren't to that point yet.

 

[KBisBack!]

They signed Werth and Gio when they knew they were ready to contend. Exactly my point.

They signed Werth before drafting Harper and after Strasburg blew out his arm and was going to miss an entire season.

But they still knew they were ready to contend?

Whoops.

And no Im sorry Josh Hamilton is not someone I want to build the Cubs team around.

You have made it clear that you would rather build the team around a bunch of lottery tickets.

He is 32 and will be 34/35 when Cubs are starting to contend. Spending $150 million on a player that is 32 is not how you rebuild a team smart one.

Actually at the 'smart' pace the Cubs are going, he will be around 50 before the Cubs are ready to contend.

Dont compare NFL and MLB drafts.

Only comparing the facts of how some years the drafts are better than others.

Figured you need all the sports education you can get.

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

No you are making my point, you sign guys when you are ready to contend. not rebuilding

And they aren't signing players.

They have no intention of signing players.

So by this logic, they are not, nor in the forseeable future be ready to contend because they will have nothing to contend with.


Oh my......I see there are sheeple everywhere....

I bet you believed them last year when they said they were going to compete for a WS every year; didn't you?

 

[FirstTimer]

They signed Werth before drafting Harper and after Strasburg blew out his arm and was going to miss an entire season.

But they still knew they were ready to contend?

Whoops.





You have made it clear that you would rather build the team around a bunch of lottery tickets.



Actually at the 'smart' pace the Cubs are going, he will be around 50 before the Cubs are ready to contend.



Only comparing the facts of how some years the drafts are better than others.

Figured you need all the sports education you can get.

A few inaccruacies and illogical things here:


Chronologically:

Harper was drafted in June of 2010. Werth signed with the Nats 6 months later.

The Nat's improved by 12 wins in 2011 despite Strasburg missing pretty much the entire season.

In 2012 Strasburg comes back, Harper makes the majors, they win 98 games.


Their forecasting was pretty much correct with in two seasons of signing Werth they won almost 100 games. I'd say they were "getting ready to contend" or had a pretty good idea when they signed Werth.

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

Actually at the 'smart' pace the Cubs are going, he will be around 50 before the Cubs are ready to contend.

....and that is being generous. At this rate, I would say his youngest kid would be 50 before the Cubs are ready to contend.

 

[dabynsky]

The Cardinals traded for McGwire(using three pitching prospects) and didn't even make the playoffs with him until he was in his final two seasons.

The Cardinals traded for Larry Walker as well who was 37 years old. Giving up some minor league specs and even at that point Walker was an add in to an already ready to win team and an organization that had made the playoffs 3 or 4 times in the last 5 seasons. Walker was a welcome surprise and icing on the cake during his time in St Louis. He wasn't the MVP player from the late 90's. He was a dude chasing a ring. The Cubs aren't in that position to get a guy like that. Sanders was a 36 year old guy chasing a ring. The Cardinals gave up a top 100 spec to get Edmonds. In the Rolen deal they gave up Mike Timlin, a young Placido Palanco, and a pitching prospect in Bud Smith who was 22 years old. Again though adding Rolen and Edmonds weren't really "rebuilding" moves, they were taking accumulated assets on solid/good teams and moving them for better/proven MLB talent. The Cubs aren't to that point yet.

Thank you. Was just about to add that McGwire was one of many smart trades made by the St. Louis Cardinals. The idea that the Cardinals were built by signing big name free agents is laughable.

 

[FirstTimer]

Thank you. Was just about to add that McGwire was one of many smart trades made by the St. Louis Cardinals. The idea that the Cardinals were built by signing big name free agents is laughable.

Yeah, and on top of that I'm not even sure how Wainwright is relevant to his point. The Cards in that case traded proven MLB players(Drew, Marquis, Marerrro) for a prospect(Wainwright). Who didn't even make his debut until late 2005. It wasn't some big spending move by the Cards. If anything it was a salary dump of sorts so they didn't have to pay Drew after the 2004 season.

 

[dabynsky]

Yeah, and on top of that I'm not even sure how Wainwright is relevant to his point. The Cards in that case traded proven MLB players(Drew, Marquis, Marerrro) for a prospect(Wainwright). Who didn't even make his debut until late 2005. It wasn't some big spending move by the Cards. If anything it was a salary dump of sorts so they didn't have to pay Drew after the 2004 season.

Which is exactly how they landed David Frese as well by dumping Jim Edmonds on the Towers led Padres.

 

[KBisBack!]

Chronologically:

Harper was drafted in June of 2010. Werth signed with the Nats 6 months later.

You are right. I was thinking Strasburg was 2010 and blew his arm out at the end of the season he was drafted.

The Nat's improved by 12 wins in 2011 despite Strasburg missing pretty much the entire season.

AFTER signing Werth.

The Nationals were a 93 loss team with their best player out for a year when they signed Werth to a mega deal.

No way they knew they were going to be a contender this quickly when the signed Werth. Sure they HOPED they would be and went out and aggressively added players. Not just sat back and waited for the system to develop more players.

 

[patg006]

Yeah, and on top of that I'm not even sure how Wainwright is relevant to his point. The Cards in that case traded proven MLB players(Drew, Marquis, Marerrro) for a prospect(Wainwright). Who didn't even make his debut until late 2005. It wasn't some big spending move by the Cards. If anything it was a salary dump of sorts so they didn't have to pay Drew after the 2004 season.

Marrero was a career .240 hitting back up catcher who's career highlight was catching Bud Smith's no-hitter in 2001. And it wasnt 3 for 1, it was 2 for 2; Drew and Marrero for Marquis and Wainwright.

It wasnt big spending, it was a smart move by the cards. They shipped drew for pitching; as their rotation was Woody Williams (4 ERA), Jeff Fassero (5.68), Brett Tomko (5.4 ERA) traded for Sterling Hitchcock with a >4 ERA at the end of his career, and rookie Dan Haren with a >5 ERA.

I think starting pitching was a need.......Wainwright was a good prospect to match Drew and Marquis to match Marrero. Safe to say Marquis came back with a 3.7 ERA.

Smart